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Universe being aware of itself

ninjadanslarbretabar said:
good posts vegan
so you are saying that the universe is awakening ?

but if the universe is awakening where does it end
wouldnt the universe become some kind of "god" (omniscient, omnipresent, omni benevolent) eventually

if we, as the universe, are awakening, will it eventually end with us being "gods" traveling through space and time as we please

I enjoyed his points as well, I actaully inadverdantly brought some irrelevant information into this discusssion (IE: Human bashing), but would love to extend this further.

I am not a smart man by any means, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. I'm here both to communicate and to learn as well.

That being said, and in direct response to ninja's words, I truly believe the concept of beginning/ending to be a farce. Perhaps a valuable tool when trying to understand the universe that surrounds us and integrate it into our lives, but still just a unit of measurement. I myself seriously believe that concept of time on a grand scale would be a farce and that both time and the universe are infinite.

Once you factor in the points that this infinite universe is not only self aware, is responsible for universal consciousness (animal, mineral, or vegetable mind you) and that it could very well be collective and shared by all organic life here, but at the same time is beyond our full comprehensive cognitive capabilities to properly figure out just what is going on, you have yourself a genuine goddammed epiphany.
 
i edited my post to take off the "on a deeper level i dont believe in linear time" part and related views to keep it more simple ;)
 
perhaps awareness is only one of the qualities the universe possesses and continues to expand with; there is also love, etc. on the subject of 5000 years here and 5000 years there, since there is no concept of "amounts" of time because of its infinity, then a small amount is just as significant as a large amount. each life reflects the progression of the same qualities in the universe after all, each part is not part of the whole, but the whole, as we said in the pointlessness of "I" or "we"

"I" think the universe continues to play with itself more than it increases to become aware of itself. the universe is already aware; now it is just getting bored. we continue to doodle with ourselve on all level and soon the entire earth will be humanized, universalized as it were
 
I certainly dont think the universe is getting bored of itself by anymeans. There is no way beautiful affectionate sex with a beautiful girl you love will ever get boring. That can be repeated over and over but its always going to be intense feeling, and be everything but "boring". And there is no limit to the novelty the universe can create, there are infinite possiblities, infinite circumstances and infinite outcomes. As systems become more complex I think the beauty just increases.
 
my point exactly.



alasdair
sorry, i misunderstood

but we do see that technology, awareness and so on are growing exponentially

so although 5000 years is indeed nothing compared to the span of life on earth, we are at a turning point. and spiritual awakening is raising faster everyday

so you are saying that the universe is awakening ?

but if the universe is awakening where does it end
wouldnt the universe become some kind of "god" (omniscient, omnipresent, omni benevolent) eventually

if we, as the universe, are awakening, will it eventually end with us being "gods" traveling through space and time as we please
no one knows for sure, but i do have hopes

the first time i had such an experience (feeling universal consciousness), i felt it so strongly that i seriously wondered if going down in the street i would just feel who had been trhough the same realisation
as if it gave us an aura or something that made it obvious to others

for a moment i thought this "magic" was going to appear in my life
that i would just cross someone and that we would both feel tht we knew we shared the same consciousness

it didn't happen

but compared to the whole population, it's only a minority who is aware of this concept, and even less who actually have experienced it and have stayed convinced
if this number grows, i have hope that some kind of connection will appear between humans
towards sharing emotions or even telepathy

i don't know if the rise of awareness will have an end, but there is certainly a limestone : when every human would be aware of sharing the same consciousness

then it depends on your theory on consciousness
i have the feeling that consciousness is everywhere and rises where complex organisms appear

in that sense, latent consciousness would be even in the air around us, rocks, plants, etc.
awareness could then develop itself until numbing the differences between individuals, things and so on
would it then give rise to a consciousness able to act and think on its own, i have no idea
maybe it's already the case to a lesser, less self aware degree
the universe would then act kind of inconsiously
this would explain many curiosity in evolution, such as mimetism, etc.
it's only a theory. but one i like

if we, as the universe, are awakening, will it eventually end with us being "gods" traveling through space and time as we please
no idea either, but we can dream about it

learning about quantum physics, we see that the world has many surprises for us in reserve

we don't know the limit of thepossible

but we actually are starting to take the role which was so far attributed to "god"
humans are creating new species, fighting deseases, splitting atoms, fighting death, etc.

travel through space and time will depend on the rules of the universe
but what is within the rules of the universe, we are discovering, and we are using

at first a baby (as the universe is) acts without being aware of what it is doing
then it slowly starts acting willingly
that's where we are now

I am not a smart man by any means
that at least shows some wisdom :)

“I know that I am intelligent, because I know that I know nothing.”
Socrates

since there is no concept of "amounts" of time because of its infinity
there is countable time from the birth if this universe to today
this is what we call the life of the universe

we don't know about the future
but when asked how old you are, you give your age, not the age at which you will die
 
Yes but wouldn't you agree that it's just a human device, a form of measurement to create an order we all need to abide by to function (as humans), as opposed to living in the constant flux of existence?

I'm just a sincere believer in the notion that their was no beginning, their will be no end, their just is.

What are your thoughts on this?
 
stonerfromohio said:
I certainly dont think the universe is getting bored of itself by anymeans. There is no way beautiful affectionate sex with a beautiful girl you love will ever get boring. That can be repeated over and over but its always going to be intense feeling, and be everything but "boring". And there is no limit to the novelty the universe can create, there are infinite possiblities, infinite circumstances and infinite outcomes. As systems become more complex I think the beauty just increases.

Yeh I guess so. I just figured its an interesting thing to say hehe
 
I feel that the universe is waiting for us to develop, like waiting for a friend to arrive.

We gradually develop higher levels of consciousness, gaining insight, when we know all there is to know, then we become a god/universe in our own right. These I feel seem to be defined in Hegel's "Geist", Jung's "collective consciousness", and Leary's "Psycho-atomic Circuit" - all leading eventually to a single mind.

doobidan
 
while i would agree that we can express better what it means to be spiritual, for those who say that we/mankind/the universe is spiritually awakening, that implies a quantitative argument: we're somehow more spiritual than we used to be?

how does one measure spirituality? what does it even mean to be more spiritual?

alasdair
 
while i would agree that we can express better what it means to be spiritual, for those who say that we/mankind/the universe is spiritually awakening, that implies a quantitative argument: we're somehow more spiritual than we used to be?

how does one measure spirituality? what does it even mean to be more spiritual?

alasdair

how would you answer these questions? It would interesting for the discussion to learn your perspective.

doobidan
 
i don't believe that we're any more spiritual than we used to be or will be so, for me, the questions which follow are invalid.

i.e. i am not one of those who say that we/mankind/the universe is spiritually awakening

alasdair
 
Being 'spiritual' means believing in some kind of ethereal connection between everything we know. So I'd say we are more spiritual when we are either ignorant of the laws of reality, i.e. distant past, or when we believe we've solved the mysteries of the universe, i.e. probably the distant future. Right now we're in the confusing era in between and are probably at a spiritual low point.
 
alasdairm said:
i don't believe that we're any more spiritual than we used to be or will be so, for me, the questions which follow are invalid.

i.e. i am not one of those who say that we/mankind/the universe is spiritually awakening

alasdair
just wait until signalling a certain area of the prefrontal cortex becomes non invasive and costs a reasonable amount :p

IMO technology is what changes society, both "spiritually" and otherwise
 
Wayne - They are essentially the same. I use ethereal to mean all-encompassing and/or divine, not just restricted to the intangible. :)
 
neonads said:
Wayne - They are essentially the same. I use ethereal to mean all-encompassing and/or divine, not just restricted to the intangible. :)
Ah, that's different. When I think of ethereal I think of the meaning that the twerm was origionally coined for, some sort of non physical realm used to explain that which we can not explain. How scientists could come up with this term and still consider themselves scientists is laughable.
 
put yourself in their shoes. radio waves, for example, are a basic part of our understanding of physics but could easily be described as ethereal :)

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
while i would agree that we can express better what it means to be spiritual, for those who say that we/mankind/the universe is spiritually awakening, that implies a quantitative argument: we're somehow more spiritual than we used to be?

how does one measure spirituality? what does it even mean to be more spiritual?

alasdair

I would say that eastern mysticism having influence on western rational thought would be a huge indicator i.e. Tao of Physics exploring the parallels between mysticism and quantum physics and proving that they are correlated and possibly mysticism being more fundamental than quantum physics (I'm indirectly quoting the author from memory but he did say that).

Also within the past 50 years the Tibetan Book of The Dead being translated many many more times into various languages including english (possibly translated in early 1920's but was not a complete translation whatsoever nor one that had impact on wide audiences yet)

I would say bluelight's members as being a huge indicator that people are awakening and realizing the true nature of mind and awakening to the fact that we are all one interconnected web of consciousness.

Through personal experience with various friends, relatives and associates that people are awakening and realizing the truth... some of these I would never have expected.

I could go on but I definitely believe there is a change happening, a mass scale of awakening could even be a few million people awakened... because as of now the numbers aren't huge but they are growing and as they grow more and more will be realized a sort of snowballing effect. Because most people who realize this truth don't hide away they want to spread the knowledge have everyone become self-realized, aware in every action, acting for the good of themselves and others. Living in peace, love and harmony with all of life and consciousness.
 
universe....no
DNA yes. I believe DNA is a higher being than us humans. It has the ability to pass down collective memories through neural DNA. It is DNA becoming ever more complex as novelity in the unviverse is constantly on the rise. Perhaps DNA uses all living animals to experience different "realities/perspectives", and further its knowlage of understanding, by having us do all the work.

Im not saying DNA is bad, in fact maybee we will achieve unity with it and master space and time. by using other organisms to do all the computations for us. appearently we can manipulate DNA to create flys with legs where their wings should be. DNA may not have been aware of this abitlty, until we discovered it.
rambling, forgot where Im even going with this. :p
 
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