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Unidentifiable fake MDMA

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montrealmike

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SWIM procured two seperate batches of crystals, each from different sources and each sold as MDMA. One batch slightly off white, the other a salmon pink colour.

Ingesting 180mg of each, on seperate occasions yielded similar effects. A feeling of calm, a slight blurring of vision, much increased talkativeness and enhanced appreciation of music. Notably a lack of 'rush' or euphoria that should accompany MDMA and similar substances, and no unpleasant side effects such as jaw tension.

Testing with EZ-Test Complete gave results which do not match with those for any substance I have heard of.

Pink Crystal:

Marquis - no colour change
Simons - blue
Robadope - no colour change
Mandelin - no colour change
Mecke - no colour change

White Crystal:

Marquis - no colour change, some fizzing
Simons - blue
Robadope - no colour change
Mandelin - no colour change, some fizzing
Mecke - no colour change


From this I would guess that the two substances are the same, but what are they? I am able to rule out just about every drug I've ever heard of based on the reagent testing, but this stuff is definitely SOMETHING. Any ideas?
 
All you can say with any degree of certainty is that you have a secondary amine in both cases. Have you carried out the tests under a good light? 4-MMC is often passed as MDMA here in Australia. It produces a faint pink color with fresh Marquis.

Marquis, Mandelin and Mecke all contain sulphuric acid. Some drugs don't react with these reagents to produce a colored product. There are several other reagents used in presumptive testing and thin layer chromatography applications which might reveal more.

Check out Clarkes Analysis of Drugs and Poisons for reagents, tables color changes etc. You may be able to access the book through an online trial.
 
All testing was done under a full spectrum lightbulb.

I can rule out 4-MMC because it's supposed to produce mental and physical stimulation and mood lift, which these crystals do not.

Are there any secondary amines that you know of which produce these kinds of effects?
 
forgive my newness with some of the latest designers but 4-MMC is Mephedrone isn't it?

Which points to a huge rip off as you can buy it on the Internet in giant bags for nothing.

Good MDMA should produce visuals, and a very clean feeling of mellow connection that borders on the euphoric and an absence of boundaries. I know this because I was around when MDMA was a new designer like Mephedrone is today. Everyone said it was a wonder drug that had no harmful effects.

Now we know that is not the case and I strongly suspect that Mephedrone will be found to have permanent harmful effects as well.

JMHO - I am interested in pharmaceutically pure opiates only, I don't even smoke tobacco.

But to each their own, as someone who has been around and many would consider an old man now who has heard every story ever told, we all pick our poison. Your results indicate to me you do not have MDMA, but the same substance with different cuts.
 
Judging by your results, sounds like the white crystal is a piperazine. Piperazines cause bubbling/fizzing when reacting to the marquis and mandelin, and on PR many piperazines have turned the simon's reagent blue. The first one is anyone's guess...
 
I had a dream that pure mdma was available when I wanted it.... and then the harsh reality of drunkards and totalitarian attitudes to drugs was realised...
 
10YR AA Gone said:
forgive my newness with some of the latest designers but 4-MMC is Mephedrone isn't it?

Which points to a huge rip off as you can buy it on the Internet in giant bags for nothing.

Good MDMA should produce visuals, and a very clean feeling of mellow connection that borders on the euphoric and an absence of boundaries. I know this because I was around when MDMA was a new designer like Mephedrone is today. Everyone said it was a wonder drug that had no harmful effects.

Now we know that is not the case and I strongly suspect that Mephedrone will be found to have permanent harmful effects as well.

JMHO - I am interested in pharmaceutically pure opiates only, I don't even smoke tobacco.

But to each their own, as someone who has been around and many would consider an old man now who has heard every story ever told, we all pick our poison. Your results indicate to me you do not have MDMA, but the same substance with different cuts.
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Giant bags for nothing? Not quite. Maybe ive just visited the wrong vendors, but ive never seen 4mmc for that cheap, never seen it cheaper then 20 a gram except for in HUGE amounts. Also this is your subjective experience of mdma, Ive had pure molly, ive even slammed the shit, and ive never got any visuals from mdma. Ive seen some twinkal in my peripherals but i woulnt consider that visuals. Nor is mdma a wonder boundary breaking drug for me, it just makes me feel really good. Also what are you basing your claim that mephedrone will have permanent toxic effects off of? Do you have anything to back this claim up? I think occasional use of this material poses no huge threat.
 
What substances can you actually rule out? Ex., have you ever tried amphetamine, and if so, is it not amphetamine, etc.
 
seen the exact same result from some 'pink dove' pills - don't know what's in them though i'm afraid.
 
Just saw this on the EZ Test website:

Due to the unavailability of certain chemicals that are needed to produce ecstasy, the market is flooded with pills that have other substances in them. In Europe, piperazines are frequently sold as ecstasy. Whether these be MCPP, TMFPP or plain old BZP: this is not the real deal and it can make you feel sick!

Luckily, piperazines do not react with our EZ Test Marquis (but they will show a reaction with Simons reagent) so you can weed these nasty buggers out.
 
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