understanding what China White *truly* is

[CuriousCub]

Originally posted by Drayen:
all china white is, is a slang.
it can mean almost anything that whoever is selling it wants it to mean.
that's all there is too it.
if u were the dealer or the chemist u could make up a name for something too. and if it was a high quality product, the name would probably stick.
We are talking about the actual C.W drug, not just the namesake. C.W is a seperate individual opiate, it is evidently not some makeshift term for any high quality opiate.
You are right however on the modern interpration of what C.W is--it has been belittled to a name value alone, using the name of an actual drug, which i think is still in existance and use today, as a name for any imitator.
To me this seems careless and confusing for the sake of accuracy in progressive drug knowledge alone. I don't like that, i don't see how anyone would -this is all for the better understanding of our strong global drug culture.
I am also trying to get a full picture on what C.W of the past is to C.W of today...i want to gather what's different about it today, and the history and timeline of C.W itself.

 

[Drayen]

Originally posted by CuriousCub:

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You are right however on the modern interpration of what C.W is--it has been belittled to a name value alone, using the name of an actual drug, which i think is still in existance and use today, as a name for any imitator.
To me this seems careless and confusing for the sake of accuracy in progressive drug knowledge alone. I don't like that, i don't see how anyone would -this is all for the better understanding of our strong global drug culture.
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dude, congrats on you for that. i feel the same way when someone pisses around with the name of something so that it means a few things, or generally gets drug info wrong.
but u gotta realize that there are VERY few people involved with drugs that honestly give a damm about it's proper name. most are only concerned with either making money or getting fuct up.
but still, it's nice to know that there's people out there that give a damm about the history and origions of what they put in thier bodies.

 

[CuriousCub]

Originally posted by Drayen:

dude, congrats on you for that. i feel the same way when someone pisses around with the name of something so that it means a few things, or generally gets drug info wrong.
but u gotta realize that there are VERY few people involved with drugs that honestly give a damm about it's proper name. most are only concerned with either making money or getting fuct up.
but still, it's nice to know that there's people out there that give a damm about the history and origions of what they put in thier bodies.
oh i realize it --all too much. that's why when one gets the opp to school or get schooled, i encourage to take full advantage of that. make a payment on their reality check.
If most of them don't care, than that is them, let them enjoy such a lack of drive to learn...it's their business. If they wanna learn they can get up and do something about it on their own time.
all i know is personally, im not gonna be had or ignorant. i cannot stand to not be in the know.

 

[ketamatic]

Originally posted by CuriousCub:
So it is illogical to call C.W aka fenatyl a form of heroin when it is a totally different chemical. i think this is where most confusion erupts from -that people assume it's a form of heroin or opium when it evidently isn't...

Yes, it is illogical from the perspective of logical thinkers. However, it is very logical for someone trying to make money off of a product. When people are referring to it as a 'form of heroin or opium', they are using your power of association to make you think you are getting more pure heroin or opium when in reality it is neither one, but a completely different synthetic chemical.

other things that haven't been addressed:
fenatyl-does it contain morphine?
No, fentanyl is a synthetic chemical on it's own, fentanyl contains fentanyl.

My friend (who is btw, a certified ADIS-Alcoholic and other Drug Information School instructor, WA.StateDSHS) continued to elaborate, from the original knowledge he heard that C.W, about 150 yrs ago if you will, or before the procedure of breaking down chemical components in drugs was a practical process, WAS indeed derived from a natural opiate, not opium per se --some type of opiate, as there are (he guesses) many types around (what other types are around?).
I am not aware of any naturally occuring opiates other than those contained in opium, and endorphins(which are considered the body's natural opiates). 'Original knowledge he heard' sounds like something I would say if I was BSing you, but that might just be me. Ask your friend where he got this knowledge from.

Moreover, he also stated that there are some of opiates, commonly mistaken *for* opium that people grow in their backyards, are actually the deadly types. Anyone know more about these types and how popular they are with everyday, neighborhood people?
You don't grow opium or opiates, you grow papaver somniferum(opium poppy) which contains opium.
Again, I don't think there are any other types of opiates naturally occuring outside of the opium poppy(which is not deadly at recretional doses). There are other varieties of the poppy that do not contain opium, which could possibly contain poisonous chemicals.

 

[Ayrios]

Yep, codeine and morphine are the truly "naturally" occuring opiates in plants. Semi-synthetics like heroin are derived from it. Truly synthetic stuff like fentanyl and propoxyphene are just similar in action. There are I believe 2 other compounds in opium but I'm not sure as to their psychoactivity in comparison.

 

[MoFo_S]

Everyone has their own complex theory about what "the true china white" is - I'll tell you what it is -
It's a name! A slang term! Not a drug, words! Stop wasting your time arguing about it!
Wait, on second thought, don't. It makes me laugh. Continue!

 

[CuriousCub]

Originally posted by MoFo_S:
Everyone has their own complex theory about what "the true china white" is - I'll tell you what it is -
It's a name! A slang term! Not a drug, words! Stop wasting your time arguing about it!
Wait, on second thought, don't. It makes me laugh. Continue!
Please-spare us all and only post if you have something valid to say. The last thing we need is another blathering ass informing all of us (like we are supposed to care?) how reading this makes u feel. And no, this isn't arguing, nor is this a waste of time. Time is only wasted if you're wasted all the time -so take the hint, dolt.

 

[italyouth]

Right you guys here's the truth!! #(as i know it)
China white is just a name for really strong heroin,and thats it,being more white coloured than your usual brown coloured heroin,as the whiter heroin has usually been purified a lot more,and washed alot more times with activated charcoal.
So "china white"is basically v.strong heroin,
I don't know where the name originated,just probably one of these things developed on the street.
As for the Fentanyl this is 100's times stronger than heroin and u only need a tiny amount of this to bash your street heroin with,+this is what supposidly sometimes goes on,it's mainly used to mix/ cut with heroin to give u a good hit.
DANGER-FENTANYL=Aparently this stuff is pretty tricky to make+unless u get it spot on,the word is that u can get instant parkinsons diesese,(it's either parkinsons or the other one?)serious shite anyway,and if made by a back street chemist, stay away!!
Ref.Jim Hogsore-opium 4 the masses

 

[Deus121]

Originally posted by CuriousCub:

What was the purpose of synthesizing this Fenatyl chemical, and at such a extravagent potency? When was it made? Was it conceptualized and synthesized in China?
Well, fentanyl could be made in a lab, where as heroin has to be made by utilizing huge poppy fields and refinerys. In the end fentanyl is going to be much cheaper to make than heroin, and at 40 times the potency. If they wanted they could make the fentanyl, cut it down, and sell it off and make huge profits, that would be much higher than they could ever make on heroin. However, some people, like the others have said, have died because they have gotten uncut fentanyl.

 

[Deus121]

Originally posted by ketamatic:

Because the high from fentanyl is completely gone less than an hour after IV injection. You will still be nodding out hours after IV heroin.
I must admit, I've never IVed fentanyl, however, recently I talked to a man that had an ingenious thing called "fentanyl strips". It was 2 strips pressed together, you'd pull them apart and this fentanyl gel would crystalize, you'd scrape it up, and get about 5 IV doses off it. Well from what I understand, the high lasted about the same duration as heroin, for someone without a tolerence.

 

[zorn]

blahblahblah is correct as to the duration of fentayl -- you can look it up on the web, the half-life is around half an hour to an hour or so, though this increased with prolonged use...
While I've never IV'd it myself, I've talked to a couple people who were given it for surgery, and they noted that the effects were fully gone about an hour after the operation.

 

[PhreeX]

There is a lot of correct and incorrect information going around in this thread... blahblah is actually one of the most correct in his responses (though his remarks about ODU would be disagreed with by about 99% of the ODU members - those that were NOT SUSPENDED!) .. originally the term "China White" was given to a highly refined form of heroin, so refined it WAS white in color, however, this isn't generally seen much because it's so labor intense to refine heroin that much, China is also no longer the big player it used to be in the heroin market ...
So, when you see the pure white shit today you're PROBABLY dealing with fentanyl, though it's true that I have come across white heroin - it's obviously more expensive because of the fact that had it not been refined so much there would be a larger mass, and of course there is extra work involved ...
As for opium - there isn't white opium.. when you 'milk' the poppy you get a white latex, but it dries to a black tar in a fairly short time (and from there you workup to heroin ..
As for duration - all those that said fentanyl isn't as long lasting as heroin is correct - well, for the most part... there are fentanyl analogs that last longer, however, the clandestine fentnyl situation is much like the clandestine LSD situation - there are SO FEW people making it as it's such advanced chemistry.. but one person can make enough that after the cut, a weeks work would yeild as much as a large cartel produces durring a season ..
It's one of those things you get used to over time - eventually you can tell the difference from just the high, the two can be close but at the same time very different ... it's one of those things you just get used to with time, fentanyl lacks the alkaline taste heroin (or "real china white") has...
As for the strips Deus mentions - has anyone else come across these? About 2 months ago a bunch of people died in Florida and Georgia, something like 16 OD's in 2 weeks... what you got was a little strip, maybe 1.5" long by .5" wide - they were fairly stiff but thin plastic, you would seperate the two strips and there was a coating that would solidify to a white film you could scrape and you got a TINY line of powder - what you had was about 6 doses of what I assume is fentanyl - however, it was NOT short in durration, it was definitly comperable to a heroin high in length - though it was distinctly fentanyl.. it's definitly the most unique form of distrobuting a drug as it's really impossible to cut as you can a regular powder.. you would slice the strip into 4-6 pieces, seperate them individually and thats how you divided it (as the total strip was only a few mg's of powder) .. I have no idea how they created a gel that turned to a solid crystline when exposed to air... since they hit I have not seen them again, I hope they return as it was actually fentanyl that lasted for awhile ...

 

[Dr.groveller]

Originally posted by blahblahblah:
From there its futher refined to make either tar (bottom of the barrel), Sandy brown, Karachi (yellowish rock hard dope), and than they can further refine it to produce white dope, certain batches were refered to as China White, as in #4.
You were doing SO well... tar isn't bottom of the barrel. I've had tar that I guarantee is as strong or stronger than most tan dope. It all depends on how it's cooked. Tar cannot be further refined to tan dope- different processing leads it to tar. Sure, you can purify the diacetyl morphine out of tar to bang- but you can't refine further to get tan powder heroin. A lot of peopl think that tar is low class, less potent. It just isn't so. It can be, but it's not a given.
There is a lot of good tar- there is a lot of bad tar, same for the tan, and the white.
doc

 

[Dr.groveller]

Originally posted by blahblahblah:
Does anybody have a clue as to what the amount of active substance is lost when making pwoder rather than dope. What I mean is, it takes such and such amount of acreage to produce one kilo of powdered dope compared to the amount of poppies used to produce a kilo of tar? What I am getting at is, is it moe cost efficent to produce tar or powder? I am assuming that it cost more money to refine it further, so it would lead to a higher overall price, which does translate fairly accurately of the US prices on pwoder and tar forms of heroin.
I think I've seen some stats on stuff like this- let me see if I can find it- but, this was sort of my point- tar can be 99% pure just like powder can. It's not so much the technique, but who's doing it and how much they're stepping on it. Tar by itself is not inherently less pure as a manufacturing technique.
Now, tar tends to be sold in the ghettos and sometimes is stepped on a lot which is why it has a bad rep compared to that nice white powder dope the suburbanites get.
Tar also seems to have a much higher leftover byproduct of acetic acid (from the anhydride used to convert). It smells really acidic and funky sometimes if it's not well washed. We get about half and half tar and powder from the same guy- depends on what he has on him.
doc

 

[I'm On Drugs]

tar is more of an ordeal to cut, so that could attribute to its quality.

 

[bornThird]

As for what italyouth said:
when i was taking neuroscience courses in almost every text book where they discussed dopamine neurotransmitters and parkinson's disease, they also mentioned a surge of a 'certain drug' on the streets in the 80s that gave a ton of people parkinsons disease (and then consequently the research that's been done on them). I was LEAD to believe that this was fentanyl, but could never get a straight answer for some reason. anyone know if this is 100% true? and how exactly it fucks w/ the dopamine NT/synapses?

 

[italyouth]

Hi Guys,
Right,I'm from the UK,+we don't get this tar Heroin over here! we get powder.
Anyway,I assume that this tar u talk of is either raw opium? or more likely heroin which has been heated up+turned into tar,??
which u then run on the foil?(chase the dragon?)
Please can someone shed some light on the subject?
I noticed that a few of u where asking about the different active ingridients in heroin???! well there's just diamorphine(heroin),
Or in opium there's morphine which gived u the high etc,+codeine,papaverine+lots more....

 

[ILLUSION]

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n577/a04.html
Theres some info for people who say it cant be produced.

 

[Curious_George]

I apologize for using the insulting term "stupid little fucks," and Phreex's comment about my penis size was rather funny, but as someone else said, "China White" is just a name.
That batch of "China White" fentanyl is from the '80s or whatever is long, long gone. If you don't believe that then you probably think that "mescaline" microdots are readily available on the black market as well.

 

[AbraMontague]

"China White 1. a pure, rare strain of heroin from Southeast Asia. 2.(lowercase) a white paint often used as a correction fluid."
From: The New Lexicon Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language.
So there is what China White really is. Btw, this dictionary is 10+ years old, so what is sold today as China White probably isn't heroin (cough...fentanyl...cough).