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Undercover Cops in Clubs?

Jaek said:
Can anyone else 'read' people really, really well when on E? It's like you can see through the social facade to the personality beneath, like when someone is pretending they're something that they're not, or you can really see the person for who they are is the person they portray all the time.

Happens to me a lot, or maybe it's just the E? Hard to say exactly.
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OMG I've noticed this too! well... I've only done it a few times, but I can almost see right through people. it's weird as hell but can you you paranoid as hell, too.

I always have these really awesome conversations with my best guy friend when we roll - we finish each other sentances and communicate so fucking well. I think married couple who are in couples' therapy should roll together so they actually understand each other. =]
 
knowingshewood said:
I think married couple who are in couples' therapy should roll together so they actually understand each other. =]
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I'm pretty sure they do, therapists used to use it to let their patients open up emotionally....not sure if they still do or not.
If they do, I'd like to start going to therapy, and I'll bring my vicks with me.
 
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Yeah, MDMA was used in this way in the late 1970s and early 1980s, but it was legal then. You're not going to find it being used in relationship therapy now ;) (though there are a few very small scale studies looking at MDMA in therapy for post-traumatic stress disorder).
 
Well, I just sat and read thru every post in this thread. Very entertaining thread to say the least. A few comments

first- to those of you that keep repeating that if you ask a cop if he is a cop, and he denies it then its entrapment- that's BS. Just do a google search of "are you a cop" and you'll find lots of info on it. Here's one of the search hits, and this comes from a legal advice website: http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/drug_crimes/attempt_purchase.htm

2nd comment- all of you that keep saying "he looked dodgy", get over your "I know what a cop looks like attitude". A UC is going to completely blend in. UC's are actors by the truest sense. They can act exactly the way they need to to become inconspicuous. If you think someone is acting nervous or dodgy (or whatever), or they aren't dressed the way you think. Guess what- that is not an UC! Probably nervous/dodgy because they are trying to score something illegal, and they are just as scared of being busted as you are. An UC is going to blend right in- right dress, right hair style, right clothes, etc... Hell, probably dancing his/her ass off.

3rd comment (and this one is personal)- I keep hearing the 30 or 40 yr old basis for suspecting someone as a cop. I'm 42, and an executive. Guess what, being "old" doesn't mean we don't like to have fun. In fact, we not only love to have fun, but we can also AFFORD to have fun- that's one of the perks of being older. It also means that we are typically more careful about it because we have careers and family to protect. So selling to one of us "old guys" is probably safer than selling to that 20-something college kid that is blatantly rolling for everyone to see. It also means we don't have a lot of connections to score from. So we have to find it where/when we can.

Stepping down from my soap box=D
 
Amen, the older the customer, the better the customer.

The chances of one of your non cop customers getting busted and setting your up for a controlled buy is 10 times more likely than you getting targeted by a random narc.

These days, so many snitches are lining up around the cell block to do controlled buys for the local narc officer, most narcs don't even bother to do buy busts, they just have their snitches do them for them.
 
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I'm 40, and muscular, which seems to convince everyone that I am a cop. I look like a cop, no doubt, I've even played a cop part on television before (I am an actor by trade). It is so tough for me to find rolls. Especially in Utah, where I spend a lot of down time. It doesn't matter how I dress, either. It's always the same with me, no matter what--they think I'm a cop fo sho'.
 
I had one brush with undercover that I am aware of.

It was a dance night in a club to be known for drugs. It was maybe about 10pm. My friend felt a bit sick from drinking too much so I told him I'd go outside with him for a while. We were sitting at the corner of the outside of the building and a middle aged man approached us. We were sitting at the side of the building so obviously looked up to no good. He asked what DJ was playing and when told he said "Oh yes, one of my favourites. can you get any gear?" we both saw through him straight away and said no. He asked why my mate and me were standing there and my mate replied that he was too drunk. The guy then said 'I'm the same, a few drinks does me'. Then he asked did we not even have a few pills or a bit of speed or anything like that, he was just wanting a few drugs after saying a few drinks done him. He then said to us to sit elsewhere because we were sitting too close to the road. That was the last we seen of him and we told a few guys in the club to watch out for him. Later on that night he was back in the club drinking orange juice talking to the bouncer all night. Apparently he asked a few people for E's and stuff but he looked so out of place by his actions/dress/talking that everyone was wise to him.
 
i agree with all of the latest posts, cops will blend in, and you are safe sellin to that older dude. unless he is working for the club of something and tells the bouncer.

one thing though, i gotta feel kind of bad for you older folks who have the money but not the connections. i know for sure this is not universally true, many executive types have the best connections. i personally know someone who is pretty much at the top of a major investment firm, and he has told me in no uncertain terms that if he felt so inclined he could get a key of pure pretty much whenever he wanted, and wherever he wanted by just making a phone call. (he was lecturing me about my drug use, and how i let it hold me back. this being the downfall, not the actual use)

there are plenty of dealers who cater to the 'established' clientel. their and your chances of getting caught in a transaction are slip to nil.

depends on what is going on, but sometimes i would rather party with my parents generation. family parties are always good (drunk on your parents bill? yea please). my uncles and my dad always have a good time when they get together, and football games are nice when you have good free seats. it is bery much true that they still want to get down, but the can afford it.

dont get me wrong though, if a 40 yo dude showed up at a roll party at my friends apt i would be freaked out probably.
 
HarryMoonstomp said:
I had one brush with undercover that I am aware of.

It was a dance night in a club to be known for drugs. It was maybe about 10pm. My friend felt a bit sick from drinking too much so I told him I'd go outside with him for a while. We were sitting at the corner of the outside of the building and a middle aged man approached us. We were sitting at the side of the building so obviously looked up to no good. He asked what DJ was playing and when told he said "Oh yes, one of my favourites. can you get any gear?" we both saw through him straight away and said no. He asked why my mate and me were standing there and my mate replied that he was too drunk. The guy then said 'I'm the same, a few drinks does me'. Then he asked did we not even have a few pills or a bit of speed or anything like that, he was just wanting a few drugs after saying a few drinks done him. He then said to us to sit elsewhere because we were sitting too close to the road. That was the last we seen of him and we told a few guys in the club to watch out for him. Later on that night he was back in the club drinking orange juice talking to the bouncer all night. Apparently he asked a few people for E's and stuff but he looked so out of place by his actions/dress/talking that everyone was wise to him.
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$1,000 bucks says he wasn't a narc.

He told you to get away from the street because a pissed drunk person shouldn't be sitting next to the street.

He was trying to keep you safe.

Nothing you said indicated he was a narc at all.
 
lurkerguy said:
$1,000 bucks says he wasn't a narc.

He told you to get away from the street because a pissed drunk person shouldn't be sitting next to the street.

He was trying to keep you safe.

Nothing you said indicated he was a narc at all.
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I was thinking the exact same thing as I read his reply.
 
The thing is we were nowhere near the street, he said for us to cross the road and sit at the other side on a wall. His general manner and contradicting himself showed that he really wasn't what he appeared to be. On another note, when we did cross the road, about 2 minutes later a car pulled up where we were sitting and the driver sat there looking at us. Was definately something fishy about that night.
 
I was also anxious about purchasing at events... until I actually attended one. I must look fit the perfect demographic of what a drug user should look like, because at the last rave I went to, I was solicited repeatedly -- by dealers. I was asked at least a dozen times if I wanted anything. I was standing with my gf, listening and loving the music, when a guy next to me came up, smiled and asked, "Hey, how's it going?" The vibe at this party was great, so I grinned back and said, "Pretty good, you?" He nodded, then inquired, "Are you rolling?" I hesitated, then said, "Yep." Another nod. "Do you want another one?" The transaction then took place. Smooth as butter. What's my legal exposure in an event like that? He clearly wasn't a narc (or if so, was busy establishing a favorable reputation). Can I get in trouble, even if I didn't initiate the deal?
 
He said he gets too drunk on occasion as well, that doesn't mean he doesn't like drugs, or that he is satisfied with just booze.

I am telling you I bet that person wasn't a cop.

If anything, a narc wouldn't start giving you orders to keep you safe to make himself look like some kind of square.

He probably didn't want you to get hit by a car, or picked up for public intoxication.

P.S.

fondcrossing yeah you can get busted even if you don't initiate the deal.

As far as a reverse buy sting where they initiate the deal selling to you for personal use, that would be very sketchy, bordering on entrapment.
 
Not sure but whatever it was, myself and others in the club felt he wasn't quite on the same level. Maybe he was OK but people in the club also got a vibe that there was something fishy about him.
 
HarryMoonstomp said:
Not sure but whatever it was, myself and others in the club felt he wasn't quite on the same level. Maybe he was OK but people in the club also got a vibe that there was something fishy about him.
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That's what I'm talkin about. An UC would go totally unnoticed. An UC's job (and life) depends on his ability to play a part so perfectly that no one has any idea what he is or even bothers to notice him. The mere fact that you and others took notice of him, means in all likelihood, he was not UC. Probably just out looking for a good time and found that club.
 
If you want to find a narc, look for the black dude in dreadlocks hitting on all the women, who is pissed drunk, snorting a line of coke while rolling a blunt and dangling an ounce of AAA herb in front of your face and offering to sell it to you while passing you the blunt.

Or better yet, go to your local police station, and ask to talk to the narcotics detective about your suspicious neighbor, and you will get a nice long look at your local narc.

Better still, look at your best friend you went to high school with, who just got busted for drugs, and is doing controlled buys for your local narc.

Cops are just like the Mafia, they send your best friend to fuck you.
 
Probably so, but you could never know. A friend of mine who is a few years older used to go out to clubs on a regular basis. One of his clubbing friends joined the police and after a while was sent out to do undercover work. She herself knew the scene and was youngish, didn't look completely out of place. She had to go up to people asking to buy drugs and stuff. She still asked round, but she acted in such a way that made it obvious that she wasn't the drug taking type, while still doing her job.
 
so was this lady looking out for drug users? trying to undermine her own efforts to catch them?

i dont know... the cops are pretty much the enemy from where im sitting. only a few cops ive ever seen were decent, and these were the ones letting me off a dui or not busting me for pi
 
Damn they still let people off of DUIs in your country?

They haven't done that since the 50s in my neck.
 
i donno man, i dont think they do usually. twice it happened though, same place pretty much too, just going opposite directions. one time i was baked off my noodle and speeding and i just got a ticket, but he said he smelled it and that he could search the car if he wanted but didnt. second time was like 4 int he mornin i was about to leave and drive back home (about 3 hours, i moved and had gone back to visit). i was pretty drunk and high and got pulled for like not signaling and swerving just a bit (i dont think i was)

note that i dont drive intoxicated when i can help it, and dont do it anymore at all. in highschool i did fairly recklessly. i have not ever been in an accident nor have i ever driven if i felt i could not handle it.

dont drink and drive.

although, if you get pulled on PA, near that BP on the corner of s plaza trail or w/e, you might get away with it haha
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