Undercover cops at raves

[ThizzMouth]

You have just condemned two communities there.
You should think before you empty your brains, unless you want to go round deliberately offending people with stupid generalisations.
Its really not cool to be racist.

Sorry Mom. I didn't mean to speak the truth , obviously you can't handle it.

 

[blebled47]

The all age rave scene is blowing up in San Diego and I can contest we WORK with vice (undercover) we in no way condone selling or using at our parties. its a hush hush thing. We have had HORRIBLE pr recently with kids as little as 12 now rolling. The all age parties I can assure you at least 10 undercovers are hanging out. Soon as the clock hits midnight , the all ages shows get shut down due to curfew violations. Sad sad scene is forming with theese all age parties. I dont myself throw them , but work with people who do and it is getting scary.

 

[brandonerr]

Cops are just like us ravers, they want to get the people who arent meant to be at the rave scene, like the sketchy cholos and asians selling bunk pills for profits. Their not going to arresst the kid wearing kandi dancing around. Their looking for the people mossying around the crowd with their hands in their pockets whispering in kids ears. If you look like your suppose to be there for fun they wont fuck with you.

Man, i've never heard of anyone except blacks getting fake rolls, and even then they can still get thier hands on the good shit

 

[Monkeybizness]

^theres a lot if crap in my city

 

[MasterSplinter]

Blink your dilated eyes and Just look the damn pig in the face and say:

"Nah bro, I dont do drugs"

Stupid pigs

 

[thelearner]

In general, undercovers aren't interested in busting individuals who are on drugs- they want to stop the selling. I've yet to see an undercover pretend to sell- they almost always try to buy. We probably get approached 5+ times in clubs and raves when we go out from people wanting to buy MDMA in LA even when we aren't rolling- most of the time, I'm pretty sure they're just genuinely wanting to roll. One time a guy who looked uncomfortable, over 30, and kind of a meat head approached my boyfriend and kept bugging him and bugging him for pills, he finally said "dude, I just want what you're on, sell me that?", and my boyfriend goes "OK, I'll go to the bar and buy a gin and tonic, and sell it to you, OK?" LOL, the dude finally gave up. I think my boyfriend tried to hug him good bye, but the guy wasn't interested in hugs, LOL.

Hey, are you going to Monster Massive? Can I buy pills from you there? I'm gonna want what you're on!

Seriously though, as for the question of the original poster and others, in my experience, the only thing you need to do to keep yourself safe if you want to share that you are off your ass is identify those who are OBVIOUSLY rolling and communicate about your current state only with them.

I.E. If sober-seeming people ask you what you're on or if you're rolling, just give 'em that shit eating grin of joy that only someone rolling at a rave can muster, slap 'em a high five, and go back to the music and/or give 'em a big sweaty hug and party with them, cuz they need the good vibes. :D

If someone is OBVIOUSLY rolling (massive pupils, sweating profusely, chewing their cud) then it's probably OK to share that you're rolling your ass off. Honestly, it's probably OK if they're dead sober, since "ROLLING" could mean anything and probably isn't enough to incriminate you for shit. And, I don't know about elsewhere, but here in SoCal, it's known that 80% of the people at raves are rolling and the security does NOT give a shit and definitely won't kick you out for it. Shit, I have been at a rave with my brother who TOLD one of the security guards we were with that we we on MDMA (I almost killed him) and the guy just thought nothing of it and continued the convo with my brother.

The KEY is simply to tell people, when asked, that you don't know where they can get more pills. Period. If you don't know them, you don't know where to get pills. This is the safest strategy. That, and not buying at a rave.

However, if you MUST buy at a rave, which is high risk and should be avoided, but hey, you only live once and sometimes it happens, this is my strategy.

First, step back from the crowd and observe. In general, you'll see the obvious looking dealers (they look a certain way depending on where you live. Here in SoCal, it tends to be a flat-brimmed baseball cap, a bandana around neck / across face, and generally tweaked out appearance, gangsterish / cholo clothes). Try to watch a few transactions go down successfully (i.e. someone comes up to them, very subtle / low key exchange of pills & cash, then the other person leaves without getting arrested). If you see this happen a few times without the buyer / dealer disappearing, it's probably reasonably safe to get pills from that person.

An alternative strategy, one that has been extremely successful for me (but only if already rolling and wanting more pills) is to ask someone who is clearly rolling balls if they are rolling. When they say, "Fuck yeah" revel in the shared moment of enjoyment. Become their friend, and enjoy the music. Once you have formed a GENUINE bond, ask if they know anywhere you could snag another pill. This usually works as they trust you and you've bonded, and you're connecting with them on a level beyond just going up to a random stranger and asking for a pill (you ARE, aren't you?!). If they say no, no worries, just keep enjoying the music and their company since that's what it's about anyway.

 

[thelearner]

Cops are just like us ravers, they want to get the people who arent meant to be at the rave scene, like the sketchy cholos and asians selling bunk pills for profits. Their not going to arresst the kid wearing kandi dancing around. Their looking for the people mossying around the crowd with their hands in their pockets whispering in kids ears. If you look like your suppose to be there for fun they wont fuck with you.

Well said, sir.

EDIT: Except for the racially oriented stuff, although "cholo" is more of an aesthetic / look / attitude thing than a race thing as far as I'm concerned.

 

[thelearner]

The all age rave scene is blowing up in San Diego and I can contest we WORK with vice (undercover) we in no way condone selling or using at our parties. its a hush hush thing. We have had HORRIBLE pr recently with kids as little as 12 now rolling. The all age parties I can assure you at least 10 undercovers are hanging out. Soon as the clock hits midnight , the all ages shows get shut down due to curfew violations. Sad sad scene is forming with theese all age parties. I dont myself throw them , but work with people who do and it is getting scary.

Jesus, 12? Crazy.

Personally, I think all-age raves are a terrible idea any way you cut it. Assuming no drug use (which is NOT the case) it's still problematic to mix underage kids with adults in a highly sexually charged environment. EDIT: And probably why undercovers are so prevalent at these events -- kids don't have the mental / emotional capacity to properly defend themselves, especially at those ages.

Frankly, I was quite pleased when all the major event companies here in SoCal changed the age limit to 18+. Especially so since at EDC this year, at one point I was making out with what I assumed to be a lovely young woman who was CLEARLY 18+ in my drug-fogged brain. We stop making out / groping for a moment between songs, and she says to me, "How old are you?" And I reply 27, and she's like, "Shit, I'm 17." We hugged and parted ways.

Now, all we did was make out, and clearly I'm not obsessed with the letter of the law given my consumption of MDMA, but ya gotta draw a line somewhere, and I'd like to keep myself off the sex offenders list, ya know?

 

[MasterSplinter]

Cops are just like us ravers, they want to get the people who arent meant to be at the rave scene, like the sketchy cholos and asians selling bunk pills for profits.

QFT, GTFO of our scene!!!

Ive seen cops dressed like ravers decked out in candy workin in teams, they make buys and pop out of the crowd with zip ties to arrest people....someimes they even dilate there eyes with eyedrops

 

[thelearner]

Hey,

Does anyone have stories to share about undercover cops at raves or if anyone encountered a situation in the past? I am really paranoid at raves and I really want to get over that obsessive paranoia because I enjoy the atmosphere so much.

I am trying to explore the worst case situations and how in reality is played out. Because my imagination really think of the worst things ever.

Oh, and by the way, I'm from Atlanta originally. Tell me you go to MJQ on Wednesday nights. It's phenomenal.

I didn't get into the rave scene until after I left ATL. Where do they hold them there? How often? Really curious now. Maybe I'll go to one when I go back.

 

[A fish in heads]

I no longer attend them but for 10 or so years I loved to candy flip still do just hard to find a good mix no line on amber fluff anymore but any way
1 the public intox if u admit u r on one yes law broke but say no now proof is needed and never seen a warrant for piss or blood
2 if the club respects it's business it will let u know presence of pork/spam (spam is a informant ) or the non spam have to have a warrant to be in the club
I have been tickied on private property before and the ticket burned along with a cops clean record
He had no warrant
3 never ever buy or sell a substance in public and if u do just expect to be caught rember most clubs are of private owners
3most important drive sober they can hold u on suspicion and give u a cell with no flushing porcelin where your piss can become there's I have hit plenty of check points alot in mid Missouri for a place called camp Zoe ( swaggstock ) and out side moe down in upstate ny
4 be safe in your trial's for no maker has to look the gunnie pig die from there substance so most care little for the side effects and onely the money

With these steps never been jailed or found with by or for scooby snacks
30 years old and still have blue hair so just know they were looking at me to be the bust that they never got

 

[A fish in heads]

You have just condemned two communities there.
You should think before you empty your brains, unless you want to go round deliberately offending people with stupid generalisations.
Its really not cool to be racist.

Just had to say to ur narrow mind (middle class/upper class ) just a small exemple broaden that view and hop in the new age your indivulisum ( spelled wrong I know) represses common thought we are all in different categories in different ways

 

[PokeballDropper24]

no personal experiences with this, im 17 and rave every 2 weeks.
1.) don't buy from a random person at the rave, to me that's dumb. It could be bunk, there could be undercovers (extremely unlikely), and it could be something different than MDMA.
2.) Don't take pills in, alot of people do but to be safe i pop mine in line about 5 mins before i get in the venue for security reasons.... and i put 3 pills in my shoe to hide them and ended up crushing them then having to parachute it with a girl that owned 1 1/2 of those pills. not fun.

 

[Bearlove]

^the girly should have carried them in - they are a lot less likely to be searched and they have places that security simply cant check.

 

[thelearner]

I always just throw my goodies in a small baggie and have it hitch a tucked right between my dick and balls. You've gotta wear boxer briefs (and have HUGE balls like me! ) for this to work so the bag doesn't fall out if it moves around. I've had pretty damn thorough pat-downs, but security just doesn't grope your cock and balls in my experience.

Bearlove, I think this is every bit as secure as a woman's vagina. The genitals are sacred, and the event promoters would have an angry mob on their hands if the guards were going after everyone's junk. The only time it's gonna fail is if you get yanked outta line by a drug dog and they intend to do a strip search. And if they're doing that, if you're a woman, odds are pretty good they're gonna check in your vagina, too. I dunno, maybe not, though.

Still, I suppose I agree, the ol' snizz is the safest place.

 

[burn2shine]

If you're not selling pills or on the verge of an od the cops at raves don't give 2 shits about you

 

[i roll balls]

I have no problem buying pills at raves from people around my own age, as long as theyre pokeballs but its still way better to buy from a dealer before hand and sneak them in, the chance of bunks are there but if you play it careful you can get a really good deal inside the rave depending on who you meet and how late in it is the rave towards the end dealers are most likely always willing to cut deals to get rid of there last pills.

 

[biocloudy]

I saw a lot of talk about entrapment in this thread so i wanted to jump in and try and clarify some issues about it. I also have some odd experiences to share.

IANAL but, Entrapment is when law enforcement gets you to commit a crime you would otherwise not have been likely to commit. This does not mean ask you to hook something up, or lying to you, or any of the other nonsense people like to think it does. The elements of Entrapment are (from wikipedia) :

1. The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
2. Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
3. The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him

All of the elements of an entrapment defense must be meet. So for Entrapment to occur the police would have to recruit grandma off the street, convince them to sell drugs, and do so in a very powerful way, then arrest them for selling drugs. Keep this in mind, if your in the scene no judge is going to believe the idea came solely from the government and you are a unwilling participant in the act. You already have the Mens rea (the guilty mind) by being willing to obtain or take drugs, a little push to the Actus reus (guilty act) is not illegal. BE SMART, BE PARANOID, DON'T GET BUSTED, IF YOU DO GET BUSTED REMAIN SILENT AND ASK FOR AN ATTORNEY, DON'T TRY AND TALK YOUR WAY OUT OF IT.

As for spotting cops, there are two things to watch out for, informants and cops. Informants are hard because they are people like us who got bound up in a situation and instead of taking a stand for their liberty or taking their lumps like the rest of us do, they begged and pleaded, they would do anything to get off free. These people are scared, they know they are doing is wrong, you will see it in their eyes or behavior.

As far as cops go, look at their footwear, look for a concealed weapon, look at their eyes. They give themselves away. Cops love to were their boots with jeans and other outfits, look for clean, less then a year old, combat boots, they will likely have been recently polished, but will show signs of the current weather (salt, mud, etc.)

Then look for their weapon, once you learn how to spot concealed weapons, you will see them all the time. I see the gun before I see the other signs usually. Its almost always on the right side just past the mid-line on the hip, a slight print of the pattern or part of it will show through his clothes. Its not a cell phone its a gun and there is no cop that will go anywhere without his gun. Try giving him a hug and you will see him lurch away in fear you will take his weapon from him.

Lastly is his demeanor, cops are rigid people, they are scared people, there job forces them to do things a normal person would not be able to do and deals with the underbelly of humanity. His mindset is like a solder, I recently heard a description of this mindset referring it to a Razor from Battlestar Galactica, "You are capable of setting aside your fears, setting aside your hesitation ... and even your revulsion. Every natural inhibition that, during battle, could mean the difference between life and death. When you can be this for as long as you have to be -- then you're a razor." I can see on peoples faces that they are razors. They are hard, emotionless, they have the stare in there eyes. Its the same stair you get from war, prison, or being a cop. These guys have long term PTSD from their jobs daily demands and it shows, that's why you see them acting up all the time. Cops are solders, but they live in their battlefield there whole life, the war never ends, and they never can go home to where its safe. Suicide by cops and freshly retired cops is a major issue affecting them as a group because of this. Police are 241% more likely then average to commit suicide, twice as many kill themselves as are killed in the line of duty (Philadelphia Inquirer 2006.) Cops are volatile people, treat them with kid gloves. Have pity for them, I do.

Using these rules you can empower the little voice in your head that says, danger, cop, or whatever. Each situation must be judged on a case by case basis, never overreact, or accuse someone of being the police, just politely say sorry I cant help. For the record I have been known to were new combat boots and defiantly have the stare, but never a weapon. Likely because of that and my age, I have been accused of being a cop a few times and I always take it in stride. They see me later after I took my medicine and am dancing the the stare is gone....

With that rant down, about a year ago I was at a party and got grabbed by a pile of cops thinking i was dealing, I've been partying off and on for 15 years and am 30 years old. A friend who is older them me asked to barrow some money at a party, we are both professional adults with good jobs so I thought nothing of pulling out my wallet and lending my friend of 20 years $100. I regularly carry cash as I travel for business, this was not what I would consider out of the ordinary or odd for me. A few minuets later I got grabbed and pulled outside to find my old friend already there, being questioned. After explaining what happened to them they didn't believe us, but eventually figured out neither of us had any drugs on us and let us go.

 

[Bsiren]

My friend was approached by an undercover (informant) last night in LA (I witnessed)- the undercover merely asked if he was rolling, he said "oh yeah", the undercover said "will you sell me some?", friend "I don't have any sorry!"- end of conversation. For what it's worth, I've never seen someone get in trouble for having MDMA in their system- just having it on them. Never ever ever admit you have any, and don't pull it out in a public area. =)

I wouldn't worry too much- just follow the general guidelines, and no exchanges with anyone at an event. There certainly are tell-tale signs to look for in an undercover, but it's best to make a personal rule of keeping your stuff to yourself, and only dosing when you're in a bathroom stall or some where very private.

 

[tom landers]

After explaining what happened to them they didn't believe us, but eventually figured out neither of us had any drugs on us and let us go.

The thing about that situation is, what if (and i bet a lot of people will agree) you happened to have a pill or 2 left in your pocket that u were planning to take later?
Then youre fucked...