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Libby said:
I never said you were going to change your mind, just that it has been said and arguing the same point repeatedly isn't much fun and I think effort could be directed toward finding a solution instead. I don't have any sort of need to convince everyone to agree with me on everything, and I keep sensing a hostile tone when as far as I'm concerned I don't see why we can't be friends. <3
Not to mention the fact we are in agreeance on everything else, I'ld never chop anyone's anything off without consent lol...
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its not hostile tone its simply that i am unreasonable on this issue. because i dont like being deprived of yummy willies. i never said we weren't friends:)
 
I have preferred an uncut man since the first time I had one (around age 21) and I would not circumcise if I had a son. But I know plenty of women who feel differently - most I know have only been with circumcised men since it's such common practice in America … the first guy I dated who had his foreskin was black and from Mississippi (I'm from Minnesota, not sure if there is a difference culturally either north vs. south or white vs. black), second dude was from UK, and current boyfriend just has some former hippies for parents. I can't imagine judging a man for foreskin vs. none since that's not a decision the majority of men make on their own - which is really my main problem with it. If it were common practice for girls to get their labia cut at birth I'd be pissed if my parents had gone along with it.
 
SydneyGal said:
I'm Jewish, but if I do ever end up having a son, I won't be getting him circumcised at birth. I believe very strongly in bodily autonomy, so there's no way I would make a permanent change to another person's body without their consent. But by whatever age they were mature enough to understand and make the decision for themselves (I'd imagine 15 or 16 or so at least, based on most of the teenage boys I've known), if they choose to be circumcised then, they would do it with my full blessing and support; I'd be right there cheering them on if they so desired. But it would be about their own right to determine what happens to their body and their own relationship with g-d, not about me deciding what's right for them.
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This is exactly what I would have written, with one exception: the cheering him on part. But otherwise, word-for-word (assuming I were as eloquent as you). :)
 
I know this thread has been beaten into the ground countless times, but people are still posting so here goes. Obviously letting people make their own decision to alter their genitals is preferable to doing it to infants without their consent. I can't help but think that parents of teenage females who decided to get a labiaplasty for purely cosmetic reasons would be less enthusiastic than they would be about their son getting cut for the same reasons.

So if we establish that (at least in western society) the health and hygiene benefits of circumcision are minimal at best, and it is generally done for aesthetic reasons, then much like teenage girls having boob jobs (or other plastic surgery), maybe it's not really in societies best interest to have a mentality of 'these genitals are more aesthetically pleasing than these genitals'. Obviously people are superficial, but instead of condoning that behaviour, it would be nice to live in a world, where much like we would for the 16 year old who gets a tummy tuck, we try to teach young people to love their bodies as they are, unless their is something medically wrong with it.
 
I am quiet happy to get my daughters ears pinned if they stuck out like a windmill or extract perfectly healthy teeth so that she wouldn't get teased for having buck teeth. I am also jabbing them with needles they don't want or ask for and despite them kicking and screaming to the contrary most kids under 16 don't get a choice whether or not they visit the dentist or get a haircut for school. Thats the best thing about being a parent, you get to make all sorts of decisions for your kid and every one can go and cry in their coffee mugs for wimps. That includes trimming off a bit of skin on their knob. For some reason because it is a kids genitals some bleeding hearts get all funny about it.
 
You actually have a really good point about the teeth, (how many of us had braces as kids, which were super painful and awkward and embarrassing, so we had straighter teeth as adults, (but crooked teeth can also cause big problems later in life apparently); In Canada parents used to be able to smoke in their cars when their kids were in there, but enough people took action instead of 'crying in their coffee cups for wimps' (line of the year, srs!) and now you can't smoke in a car if your children are in it. Times change...
 
Busty St Clare said:
I am quiet happy to get my daughters ears pinned if they stuck out like a windmill or extract perfectly healthy teeth so that she wouldn't get teased for having buck teeth. I am also jabbing them with needles they don't want or ask for and despite them kicking and screaming to the contrary most kids under 16 don't get a choice whether or not they visit the dentist or get a haircut for school. Thats the best thing about being a parent, you get to make all sorts of decisions for your kid and every one can go and cry in their coffee mugs for wimps. That includes trimming off a bit of skin on their knob. For some reason because it is a kids genitals some bleeding hearts get all funny about it.
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Riiiiiiiight. 8( Forcibly removing some infant or young boy's foreskin is akin to having braces, getting a haircut, or getting a vaccination.
 
In what way is it not?
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Circumcision contributes significantly towards erectile dysfunction later in life. Haircuts are temporary. Vaccinations are unquestionably a good thing. And, braces don't have any negative implications on long-term health.
 
ForEverAfter said:
Circumcision contributes significantly towards erectile dysfunction later in life.
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Old guys aren't supposed to get it up, who wants to have sex with old dudes? They are supposed to rent hookers and extend for hour after hour after hour trying to get it up but spending most of the time chillin in the jacuzzi drinking and doing cocaine. IMHO
 
Libby said:
Hehe yay friend-o *hug*
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i like this!

hair grows back foreskins dont. foreskins are living tissue while hair is dead keratin. the parallels somehow just aren't really there

braces shouldn't be forced on a child- i had braces but it was my choice hence not an issue although looking back i dont think they were all that necessary
 
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Well... I punched my hairdresser in the stomach when I was about 8 because every time I went to see her, I'd tell her what I wanted, then my mother would take her aside and say, "no, mullet" and I'd get the mullet instead. Even then, I was like, "It's my hair! On my head! And I'm the one getting teased every day because you listen to the insane woman just because she's the one paying you! Stop it!" It hadn't occurred to any of the adults that I viewed my body as my own at that age; they all assumed they could just do whatever and because I was a kid, that was fine.

I've known kids whose parents asked them at 13 or 14 if they wanted braces, explained the pros and cons, and let them make the choice. They were all much happier about their braces than the ones who'd just been told they were getting them, whether they wanted to or not; they had chosen the short-term pain of braces for a life of straight teeth and fewer dental problems. Some of the ones who said no at 12 changed their mind and got them at 14, after doing more research themselves. Teens can and do make decisions about their own bodies; why not give them some practice making well-informed choices while you can?

As for immunisation, it's a poor example in this context because it's not just about one person and their body. The point of mass immunisation is that immunising 95% of the population gives 100% protection -- so small children, very old people, immunocompromised people, and the few others who literally can't be immunised also receive a degree of protection since there aren't enough suitable hosts for the disease to spread around the community and get to them. If you want to be responsible for giving a small child or an already-sick person a disease your body can fight off and theirs can't, skip your immunisations. If you're lucky, you'll be a person or two removed so you won't realise that someone else died because of your ill-informed decision.

Nobody dies if a boy isn't circumcised at birth; plenty of people die if we stop getting immunised.
 
also my friend went into a barbers as previously someone had dyed her hair blonde for free but i in formed her it was white (pure white) not blonde; anyway the gist of it is that she asked for "something cool" so they died her hair bright purple. anyway she said they were laughing at her in the background so when asked to pay she punched the hairdresser in the face and ran out. she claimed she looked like a troll. she had short hair also http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&h...=145&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:167
 
Oh no your poor friend! I hate going to the hairdressers, no-one seems to understand when you say "dark blonde" it is always white.
Also as a kid my mother always forced me to have a fringe and she would hairspray it up all 80s like, despite it being the late 90s. Bitch, but compared to everything else they did to us, this was nothing lol.
 
Remember how much it sucked when you'd go to the hair salon as a kid and you'd say, "just a little off the top," and then you'd leave without your foreskin?
 
Busty St Clare said:
In what way is it not?
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Because you're permanently removing part of someone's genitals without their consent. I guess since you think that mutilating an infant or young boy's genitals is something that's fine that it's OK to remove an infant girl or young girl's clitoral hood and that both of these things would not be genital mutilation to you. The idea that mutilating someone's genitals is akin to a haircut, vaccination, etc. is laughable.
 
You forgot to quote removing healthy teeth for orthodontic treatment. I can tell you from experience this is more bloody and more painful than any circumcision. And it too is not reversible.

I'm sorry but if my son had this....
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I would be doing him a fucking favour.
 
Does anyone do partial circumcisions, where any really long skin hanging over the head is removed, leaving most of the head covered to preserve sensitivity but allow peeing without it getting under the skin? It seems like this might provide the best of both worlds.
 
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