Opioids Ultimate Poppy Pod/Seed Tea Mega Merged Thread III

[monstanoodle]

There's no question here, so this will likely be closed. But good luck

 

[Mitchi]

2 hours is overkill i think.

And yeah, you will get something, but it will be very impure. Maybe you should try to purify it even more?

 

[vl014721]

how could i purify it more

 

[ech0s85]

not opium, theres a ton of threads on doing this i think they call what youd have left pod putty. And id be worried about it growing mold before it dried using that method youre much better off using a bowl or pan and doing the double boiler method.

 

[Mr Blonde]

It's not going to be smokable. Do a search, lots of people have tried this and nearly everyone gets bad results.

To purify it down you would need to do a chemical extraction... and I can't remember what the extraction is for opium alkaloids. Maybe a google search could turn up something.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'm going to move this to the PST/PPT mega thread, I think you might get some good responses there that you haven't gotten yet as a thread on its own.

 

[FattyAcid]

so...the moment has come....i have run out of pods....

i have about 2-300 3-6" stems.... i want to use them to bridge me until my next batch arrives....i usually eat about 6 1-2" pods, fine ground and dissolved in water.... around how much stem material, as a loose estimate, as thats as close as anyone's gonna get, to be equivalent to one small pod....I realize there will be giant margin of error, but any help would be much obliged, as i couldnt find any info anywhere as to the ratio of potency between pods and stems

 

[Larson0]

long time no post. whats up guys.

welp, my methadone supply ran out till i dont know when and i ahd to make the switch back to pods. i should note im broke too so these are the remains of 4 boxes i've had stashed. still enough but annoying to pick out the shit ones.

im back eating them but they dont hold me nearly as long as they used to. i guess methadone is still in my system and pods dont fully take over. really shitty week thus far but i get my TAX RETURN in 2 days and im probably gonna go nuts.

to the guy above...i wouldn't eat the stems. i personally eat mine ground up raw with water too but stems tend to be thicker and not ground up nicely at all. you could possibly damage your internal organs doing this. now that thats out of the way i know its been posted in this thread many times but i dont know the numbers. stems are much weaker though, something like 20% what is in the actual pod. dont quote me on that because i dont know if its true, i just am fairly certain its a really low number.

your gonna have to eat probably 2 or 3 times as much raw pods, and considering we aren't cows, that could be a very bad thing. i personally would make tea and drink it to tide you over, possibly even taper a little bit (its the best thing you can do with pods, really. very quick results)
dont go and eat 2 or 3 times as much stems as you would. i know it takes 2 hours at least to feel them so your gonna have to try some trial and error, but even your normal amount in stems should keep you maintained.

depending on how long you have till your batch arrives i would just grind all the stems up and make tea until you get it. it will most likely lower your tolerance and when you switch from tea to raw or vice versa its almost like a different drug. good luck and hang in there. im in the same boat waiting for my connects and its not fun at all.

*edit* i guess not so long since i last posted. i practically posted the same thing on the previous page. lulz

 

[I NUK3D U]

Hi.

Historical opiate user. Never had a major problem. Certainly no tolerance nowadays.

Just received my first 1kg of Hens & Chicks pods. Want to try some tonight, not to get fucked, but to experience a taste of how great my weekend could potentially be!

I've read quite a bit and have the following questions:

(1) 3 medium size pods, blended and washed twice (20 mins each), in warm water. Sound ok?
(2) Would you filter and drink, or just drink the lot including the pulp?
(3) Is there any benefit in retaining the pulp for use next time?
(4) Best to do on a full or empty stomach? Grapefruit juice worthwhile?
(5) If I drink at 7pm, am I likely to be able to sleep by about 1am?

Thanks

 

[Fent-fix]

Hey guys this is my first post, i recently made a batch of tea with 8 jumbo pods and all i got was very mild sedation. i have a decent tolerance (1-2 100mcg/h fentanyl patches a day for about a year and sometimes 130-150mg oxycodone to get a ticket to the land of nod) i was just wondering how many pods you think would get me off, if any at all.

 

[ethnobot781]

Warning about cutting corners in preparation of PPT

[PRE-POST EDIT: On doing a basic proofread of it I realised that it had got much longer than I intended and nearly a half of it wasn't strictly relevant to the warning I intended to post. I was going to edit it down to the "bare bones" but decided against this since the vast majority of the post is relevant to the overall topic of this thread and my experiences may be of interest to some bluelighters. As a compromise I went through the whole post highlighting everything I thought I'd likely have edited in if I had pruned it back in bold face . So if you want the whole sorry tale with all the background info read the whole thing, if your not bored enough/have a too short an attention span/are only interested in the "meat" of the warning then just read the highlights Cheers, E]

I know this topic has been covered before but I thought I'd add this as a cautionary tale about the importance of dose-testing new batches and in particular the value of grinding up the whole batch before dosing by weight.

I use poppy pod tea as part of a small range of opioids (and other medicines) to help control chronic pain and associated depression. Every time I receive a new batch of pods I more or less follow the same protocol:

1) Go through a process of calculating dosage based on my current tolerance (for PPT and for opioids in general) and select a very conservative dose, just to judge potency based on threshold effects.

2) Prep the whole batch of pods, storing the good grounds in a sealed jar. Mixing the grounds from the whole batch leads to some degree of standardisation, eliminating most of the variability in potency within the batch due to the range of different strength pods potentially present. If you don't believe the pods in one batch can vary enough to make this an issue, read on![3) Measure out the small dose from stage 1) by weight. Brew the tea (I use the french press method) and pour it in to a jug, leaving the grounds in the cafetiere. Pour and drink half of the total quantity. Use the grounds for a second brew with less liquid. Assess initial effects after an hour and drink the other half of the 1st brew. Wait another hour, leaving the second brew on the grounds the whole time. Reassess effects and consume the whole second brew. Monitor effects until they are gone.

4) Use dosage & effects from from the batch test (as well as a little common sense and a think-through of other relevant factors) to estimate a dose that will give me the desired effect (which incidentally is effective analgesia, preferably with a very mild "buzz" as a break from the dragging depression that can accompany dealing with pain on a daily basis. While I freely admit to slightly using the psychological effects of my opioids for this reason, I don't really use recreationally any more. Using enough at once to catch what most recreational users would count as a "proper high" would compound the problems of tolerance and dependency which I already have to dance around, trading off the downsides with the level of relief from the miseries of pain).

I already have predetermined days for each analgesic or combination (although they are subject to recalculation if I have "bonus days" when I don't need such strong pain relief and therefore don't use even if I crave psychologically, to keep tolerance down for times when I do need the extra medicine) and for PPT I choose days when I don't have work or much in the way of other commitments and responsibilities. This is due firstly to the fact that I find it more sedating than most other opioids in the doses I use, and secondly to take in to consideration the lower accuracy of dosing with plant material than more refined pharmaceuticals not to mention that with illicit than licit drugs. That way if I take more than intended and the effects impact on my ability to perform tasks (or conversely if I find it difficult safely to achieve enough analgesia and need to nurse the pain) then it has less impact on my life and others than if it happened on a workday or a busy family time at home.

On a quiet day to which PPT has been assigned and on which I am in need of sufficient analgesia to make it worthwhile I weigh out (the only even moderately reliable way to dose pod grounds IME) the dose worked out in part 4) of the protocol above. I have a very accuraten(still - I test and recalibrate before each new session of use!) scientific balance but being nearly as old as me it's quite big a therefore stored out of the way unless a task really requires it so I usually use my other scale, a reasonable quality but highly portable battery-operated scale which claims to be accurate to 0.1g. I've tested it and found it not quite that accurate, it test to be accurate to within a little over 0.3g but for practical purposes I treat it's accuracy as within half a gram at best. With pod grounds my dose is sufficient and there are enough other variables that weighing more closely than to the nearest gram has to be redundant so I'm happy to use the little scale and spare myself tackling the big 'un lol. I doubt this compounded the problem much (read on ) but judge for yourself. I tare the scale with a light plastic cup on it and add the powder gradually with a dessert spoon until the right weight is achieved and then pour the contents of the plastic cup in to the cafetiere (this is what I'd always known it as but after a couple slightly confuzzled BL posts I discovered that in the US it's usually referred to as a french press :D ) and add water that's been boiled and left to cool slightly in a kettle before leaving for a while to brew.

Up until this most recent dose (keep going, I do actually get there in the end ) I have never had any problem with consuming the whole of the 1st brew at once for the first "main" dose. I may have to revise that in the light of what follows. The grounds are then rebrewed for about an hour and this time the second brew of tea is reserved for later in the day, if needed . For me currently this gets enough out of one dose of grounds that they can be discarded at this point to allow a little housekeeping

I had a new batch of "hens and chicks" (I have short mental lists of strains I know to be usually worthwhile and of reliable suppliers so a little ahead of time I will do a little search and compare prices before ordering the cheapest effective item from someone I trust sufficiently) which in hindsight was maybe a slight compounding issue since although I've never had a bad batch of them they take a little bit longer to prepare. The "hens" or full-sized pods provide the premium material IME but also tend to be on the small side for medicinal pods in themselves. The "chicks", tiny pods in clusters around each hen, seem to be a bit weaker, stronger than the top couple inches of stem (I've rarely had pods with more stem attached than this and having read that the stem contains actives but gets weaker as you go down the plant, with the top 2-3 inches being closest in potency to the pods, I've never bothered saving and brewing more than 2 inches of the stem) but weaker than their mother hen. Due to this and considering my type of usage, when I get a batch of H&C I seperate the chicks (which seem to grow from the basal area which I normally seperate from the pod in any case) from the hens and add them to any top-of-stem material in a different bag to the hens. Before reserving the emptied seeds from the batch (for horticulture ideally) I pass them through a moderately, but not too, fine piece of old net which I keep for the purpose. Any plant material (especially little pieces of broken pod) left behind in the net are added to the second bag with the chicks and stems. The contents of the two bags are ground separately and stored in separate jars. When describing the process to a couple of associates I once jokingly referred to the two different products as "Poppy Straw Numbers 1 & 2" (after the different "number" types of heroin designed for different uses 8) with Straw No. 1 being the premium hen pod material and Straw No. 2 being the rest) while I quickly recognised with hindsight that this was a fairly tasteless little bit of humour the names stuck for ease of reference Straw No 2. is a little less potent than Straw No. 1 but still quite useful, especially to someone in my position. While Straw No. 1 is the main product I use when I need it normally, Straw No. 2 is kept and used:

a) On occasions when pain is present to a sufficient degree to negatively impact my life but to lesser extent than normal thereby making some analgesia in addition to non-narcotic options desirable but a lower dose preferred to lessen the side effects and complications that necessarily accompany the regular use of narcotic painkillers.

Or b) if pain levels have been high enough over a sufficient period of time to drive me to a level of addiction (yes, whatever the reasons behind my current use I am enough of a realist to admit that I am in fact an addict) from which withdrawals will be very uncomfortable, either to provide low-level maintenance to hold off wd's during a temporary fluctuation in suppy, or to use for tapering doses when things improve, avoiding the worst of the wd's while allowing me to scale right back or temporarily stop use to benefit my general health and, of course, tolerance. I find Straw No. 2 ideal for this last application since poppy tea is quite long-lasting allowing to taper or maintain with relatively infrequent dosing, while it is generally possible roughly to calculate a sufficiently low dose to combat wd's without getting high and reinforcing the vicious cycle. It is also the second mankiest opioid to consume (with the booby prize going to cold water extractions from paracetamol [acetaminophen/APAP] or aspirin containing pills!) and therefore a little less subject to temptation, in theory at least.

The week I got the pods was busy but the subsequent weekend very quiet with no work overtime or pre-arranged family commitments and I had Saturday down as being day to use PPT for analgesia if it was required. This meant Sat would be the "first main dose" from the new batch assuming I was in enough pain to need it. The trouble started due to a lack of suitable time for preparation in advance. I had 90 distraction-free minutes to prep most of the pods on Friday morning but the rest of Fri involved a fair bit of popping in and out locally and was therefore unsuitable for a test dose. When I had a temporary partial respite from the pain on Wednesday following an alternative therapy session on Tuesday I decided that the pm of that day was ideal for the purpose but unfortunately the morning didn't have enough distraction-free time to do all the prep. I therefore decided to prepare just enough pods for my test dose and leave the rest to prepare on Fri. This was a reckless decision for which "instant karma" would soon provide a comeuppance. This is because not grinding and mixing all the pods before dose testing meant that there could be significant variability in potency between the material I used for my test dose and the rest of the batch. As it turned out there was, and the test dose was weaker than it would have been if standardised...

So I get threshold effects off a very conservative dose for my tolerance on Wed and jot down a few paper notes on how it went. After preparing the rest of the batch on Fri I use these to calculate a dose that should give me sufficient analgesia and a mild high on consuming the entirety of a first brew, with a second available for redosing later in the day if necessary. Saturday morning comes around and unfortunately I am woken early by nasty pain. Never mind, I have a quiet day and a freshly prepared jar of Poppy Straw No. 1 to help with that! I brew up and down the hatch it goes. It tastes noticeably more bitter than the test brew but I am not worried. I was expecting a stronger taste and as a past consumer of vile-tasting organic psychedelics and a current occasional consumer of CWE products from prescription (and even OTC in a bind!) opioids (which taste worse than PPT IMO) I have never had a brew of poppies that tasted bad enough to really bother me. Won't actually win any taste awards but it's not worth complaining about!

35-40 minutes later and I notice a number of "telltales" which suggest that I am coming up slightly earlier than usual and probably harder too. I make a little handwritten note of this observation to remind me when dosing again (either deciding when to redose with the second brew or weighing out another dose on another day) but I remain unconcerned. A full hour after I finished drinking the tea it becomes more obvious that I have made a relatively serious mistake. For your amusement and edification I will quote directly from the addendum to my note that I wrote at that time (only expanded from shorthand to longhand for ease of reading). I have used NSFW tags since it contains bad language and possibly blasphemy. It is up to you whether to read it if you think you may be offended!

NSFW:

I have fucked up this one. Dosage FAR too high. Kites have nothing on me now and still wouldn't if it was the fourth of July in America. At this point I am probably higher than God! Use less next time, way more fucked I need to be and haven't fully peaked yet for fuck's sake. Let it be a lesson.

I spend the following hour melting in to the living room sofa with my cat, who seems mildly concerned about my uncharacteristic level of sedation. I am too high to care so leave the worrying up to him. I thank my stars that whatever my failings and weaknesses I have enough sense to have used this unpredictable drug on a quiet weekend. The only one who will be much affected by my spending most of the day in a full-on opiate high is myself and I have enough experience of recreational drug use and abuse from less responsible, settled & happy times when younger (including a variety of opioids) that I can handle it. I should be able to ride it out and judge the level of effects & appropriate response without panicking or overreacting. The drug effects continue to come up over this period but more gradually with passing time. I decide that due to my own stupidity in cutting even one small corner of my testing protocol I am definitely in for a more intense "drugs experience" than I intended and that I am already visiting "places" normally only frequented by recreational users and more serious addicts than me but that thankfully due to the rest of the procedure and other precautions in place I will probably live and manage to avoid hospitalization or other medical treatment that would expose the extent of my drug use and potentially restrict availability of other medicines further. While I am too high even to add to my notes any more I am determined to commit the incident to memory and to learn from my mistakes. Unlike the PPT I'm not that bitter since as screwups go this does a bit of an upside to it and it's also a timely reminder about treating all drugs with respect whether "natural", pharmaceutical or something in between. In happening before my drug use has got too far out of hand (at least I don't think it has lol) the incident has probably spared me some future misery. It is at this point I decide that I should post about what has happened on BL so that others have the opportunity to learn from and avoid my mistake. My mental landscape has verged on the grandiose by now and I pontificate to myself about the unlikelihood of many "heads" heeding me if they haven't already come to a sensible conclusion about the value of such methods from other posts 8) but then I reflect that someone new might be skimming the most recent PPT posts having not followed the megathreads in the past and that therefore occasionally repeating past warnings that are particularly important from a harm reduction point of view is probably desirable. The drugged state of mind I was in definitely affected the way I thought about this but I decided later that the conclusions were reasonably valid anyway and though feeling humbler with hindsight it was better to post than not.

By the end of the second hour the high seemed to have reached a peak but at this point I developed a few indisputably negative side effects. These were:

a) Some gastrointestinal symptoms including some mild stomach discomfort (though less than I'll usually get from a 250-420mg dosage of codeine salts particularly if they're already in a solution like CWE product or cough linctus), some nausea and some vomiting. These were copable in a similar way to GI symptoms from overuse of codeine. Lying down helped out the nausea, any actual pain in the stomach (which was way mild anyway) was eliminated by eating a little skimpily buttered wholemeal toast washed down with a small glass of water, an old trick of mine that seems to work for me roughly 80% of the time, leaving only a slightly "roiled" feeling to my stomach. When I sat or stood up for longer than a minute or two for any reason during this period the nausea would increase enough that I would vomit. This wasn't the violent puking to the bottom of the stomach reported by some unfortunate users, just some slightly bitter, slightly pod-coloured watery stuff from the top of my stomach. With an artificially happy head on this wasn't to much of a drag to be honest and I always felt much better for a while after a little spew

b) An annoying painkiller headache. This took a while to develop and felt like a relatively mild tension headache in both temples. Nowhere near as bad as a migraine. It disappeared before the end of the experience and was reduced while present by lying down (thereby seeming subjectively to be linked to the nausea).

The presence of several negative symptoms together which I either hadn't experienced at all or only mildly individually (during both my recent self-medication with PPT & my recreational abuse of oral capsules of pharmaceutical morphine during reckless and irresponsible misspent youth 8) ) led me to consider that I may have strayed marginally in to objective overdose territory (as a stronger dose than needed/wanted it was already an OD for me but definitions obviously vary). While the eventual outcome seems to confirm that I didn't OD too dangerously I think the unpleasantness when combined with other high-dose opiate effects described shows that I did OD a bit, for a while. This reinforces my views on the desirability of standardising and dose-testing the material and those against the recreational use of this drug. Consider if I'd made this fairly easy slip-up whilst going for a fully recreational
as opposed to barely more than analgesic dosage. IME it would take at least an estimated half as much again over my usual dose for pain to achieve a "really solid buzz" or strongly euphoric recreational high. Half as much again over the last dose I took would have been in to very uncomfortable OD territory which would be probably dangerous and possibly even fatal It may be relatively safe for users who can recreate on really mild effects, dosing not much more than I do (equivalent for their tolerance - which is why I haven't included my exact doses in this post ) for my analgesia,but I feel such people are probably rare. The material is so potentially variable that serious recreational heads would be far, far safer looking elsewhere.
More neutrally during the extending peak of the experience I repeatedly "hit the nod", dropping off in to the half-sleeping dreamland often enjoyed by heroin users but never experienced by me on PPT before (although I knew it was technically possible and therefore wasn't too worried when I came to). I ensured I was lying on my side, in a way fairly similar to the "recovery position" due to the perceived risk of inhaling vomit from nodding & nausea combined but given that I only actually vomited when vertical for a while I don't know how much of a risk this was. Better safe than sorry might have worked more effectively had I adopted it fully during testing but to use another cliche, better late than never!

After a while (about 2 more hours I think but it may have been a bit longer) the worst negative symptoms wore off to a reasonable extent but I remained very sedated. I decided to go back to bed since I wasn't up to much and didn't actually need to be up. I cabbed out almost instantly and slept somewhere in between another 3 & 4 hours. In this period I had predictably crazy dreams of almost hallucinated intensity which occasionally woke me up (though not for more than a minute or two at the most lol) I remember some of these and they may be of some interest to psychologists but this post is way too long already.

When I got up I was, as I expected still a bit "high" but drowsy with it. Wholly negative effects were almost completely gone although I had developed a little mildly irritating urinary retention (seemed to make it hard to start taking a piss but not to prevent the process altogether). I remain high until the early evening and drowsy/sluggish (or generally a bit "drugged") the rest of the day until bed. Sleep is heavy and waking in the morning delayed but I feel refreshed once I get my head out of its bed. As a "bonus" analgesia seems to continue 'til a little past noon though this doesn't stop me feeling like an idiot for screwing up Oh well, I'm gonna learn my lessons and the strongly held views they've created or affirmed in me are as follows:

1) Respect the poppies! If you want a recreational experience then seriously consider choosing another activity or substance. After some soul-searching I decided that I should risk futility (nothing to lose there) and accusations of hypocrisy (sticks & stones really) and espouse my current genuine view of this: Don't use poppy pods unnecessarily. No-one can decide this for you, nor should they preach too negatively to you - it's your life after all - but I think it's safer and wiser not to use PPT unless you have a reason which you honestly feel in your heart makes it worth the risk (in my case the negative impact of chronic pain from my vertebrae on my quality of life and the reluctance of medical professionals adequately to treat it). Yes it's easy to slip in to weak, self-justifying fiction but if you're true to yourself you'll analyse your reasons and the case against more deeply.

2) Be honest with yourself about this drug and your use of it. It's really tempting to think of it as a "natural herbal remedy". But isn't it more realistic, at least from a safety point of view, to see it the other way - as an addictive illicit drug with unpredictable and potentially dangerously strong effects. It is so variable, (within a box of pods never mind different strains, origins and seasons harvested) and the effects of tolerance almost equally variable, that you can never be sure that the last dose you took will be (most vitally) safe to take again or (conversely) even if it will be effective. Similar variability in the time it takes the effects to come up means that redosing is a bit of a gamble with your physical and mental wellbeing

3) If you consider all this and still decide to use then minimize your risks
i) Research properly and prepare thoroughly before use. Don't be as much of a knob as I was - if you don't have time to do this the way it should be done then don't do it yet!
ii) Test out a low dose every time you get a new batch
iii) Always dose by weight of well ground pods, not volume or number
iv) Learn from my main mistake, grind and mix up all the pods before brewing any tea (or eating grounds, natch!) so it's standardised.
v) Dose the minimum you need, as nearly as possible.
vi) When you first go up to your chosen full dosage, strongly consider keeping everything else the same - brewing time and ratio of water to pod straw for instance. I'm sure you can think of the other salient factors as easily as I can. The reason for this straightforward - when dosing an already variable drug with a dose that, however carefully you tested the batch, is still an estimate, little better than a guess really, it is sensible to rule out as many other avoidable sources of variation as possible. As evidenced by my dividing the test dose in two but consuming the equivalent part of the main dose all at once I have not done this up 'til now. I have firmly decided that this will change. I want to be more responsible and less of a knob! I have also consumed the second brew at different intervals (sooner and later) than with the test dose many times in the past. No more.

Thank you for reading whether you read it all or just the "highlights" Sorry if this was too obvious for or just plain "old news" to you but IMO if what I've related steers even one user or potential user of poppy pods away from a planned course of action that carries a substantially increased risk of harm then it served a purpose and was well worth the time and effort.

Peace, Ethnobot.

 

[LAP1026]

Also would like that answer

Hey guys this is my first post, i recently made a batch of tea with 8 jumbo pods and all i got was very mild sedation. i have a decent tolerance (1-2 100mcg/h fentanyl patches a day for about a year and sometimes 130-150mg oxycodone to get a ticket to the land of nod) i was just wondering how many pods you think would get me off, if any at all.

I don't know how much fentanyl that amount is but I think that your perc tolerance is really high especially depending on how often you take that amount. That's alot of mg's.
So, because I consider my tolerance pretty high,
(200mg kadian, time released morphine/day plus 20mg percs/day), I'd like to know the answer to that question, too. I'm getting my first order of pods and want to get a feel for how many medium 6" pods I should start with. My priority is to ward off WD's when I run out of my scripts.
Edit: I know it makes a difference, so I plan on eating them if it won't take a bushel!

 

[Larson0]

I don't know how much fentanyl that amount is but I think that your perc tolerance is really high especially depending on how often you take that amount. That's alot of mg's.
So, because I consider my tolerance pretty high,
(200mg kadian, time released morphine/day plus 20mg percs/day), I'd like to know the answer to that question, too. I'm getting my first order of pods and want to get a feel for how many medium 6" pods I should start with. My priority is to ward off WD's when I run out of my scripts.
Edit: I know it makes a difference, so I plan on eating them if it won't take a bushel!

really the only way is to test it first. i eat pods and do about 120-150mg of oxy to get a nod. i would say about 1/4 ground up or so would be safe but realistically better be safe than sorry for a day. if you eat them you probably wont go into withdrawal if your dependent. and remember they usually take at least 2-3 hours to take effect when eaten in lower doses, so dont redose. even 5-6 hours later a redose can be very strong.

 

[DustnRoses]

some questions regarding poppy seed tea

I've never had Pod tea,so my experience is only with seed tea. I've also never had seed tea with seeds from a wholesale market, as there aren't any where I live. I've only tried the small bottled seeds from various grocery stores, and really am not sold on it yet. Of the three or four times that I've tried it, not once have I been certain that I was feeling anything.

My main question is, what kind of water do you use? I've read cold water, hot water, mixing boiling water and cold water at a ratio of 1:1, etc. Also, I've read that including lemon juice in the mix will potentiate it because of its acidic properties. If this is true, why not just use lemon juice and not water?

Anyone with any experience, please share your knowledge!

 

[thelung]

If you are not certain that you are even feeling anything, you are doing something wrong. Instead of using seeds, try pods: either fresh or dried. Since sources are not allowed in OD, I can't tell you where to obtain said pods...sorry. Once you have some though, brew them into a tea and drink. You will DEFINITELY feel something if you use pods. Cheers and Godspeed my friend.

 

[Hufnagel]

As a long time user I can attest to the veracity of seed tea. A good batch in my opinion is much stronger than any of the pods I've tried. Although, to be fair, I've only had the pods from a couple of different locations and they may have just been shitty ones. That said the pods DID still work just not quite as well for me. As for the seeds, after years of using them I can say with certainty that you need nothing more than a two liter (or empty jug of your choice, although I prefer a two liter) and some regular old tap water. Neither hot nor cold will work just fine. Don't leave the seeds in there for too long. Some people have recommended leaving them to soak for an hour or longer...DO NOT do this, as the seeds will just soak up tons of the water and not give it back. A good 5 minute shake will give you as much as your gonna ever get from them, trust me as someone who abused them for a loooong time.

Like thelung said if you're not sure if you feel anything than you're probably doing something wrong, or to be more accurate, in this case, you're probably getting seeds that have been washed too well. I can't say what kinds of seeds are good on the board, but I may be able to tell you through a PM if you'd like. Rest assured that there are major grocery stores where you can purchase them, just not all have the right brands. On a side note, I think I'm within the bounds of the rules by telling you that if you're trying McCormick that you're out of luck, those things are garbage.

 

[caseface99]

Does it not occur to you that if you aren't feeling anything from it, then perhaps the seeds you are buying at a GROCERY store have been WASHED and have NO active opiates?\


Just a thought, especially if you live in America.

 

[Cane2theLeft]

into the mega thread you go...

 

[LAP1026]

How Many tums?

Add 8-10 grams of powdered calcium carbonate (tums) for every 20 grams of ground pod powder. Mix the the CaC03 with the boiling water, then add the boiling water to the pods and let steep. I've found this MUCH more effective than without the tums. It produces calcium morphenate, which also has a higher tolerance to heat, and is less likely to degrade if you wish to reduce the volume by doing a light boil.....

I'm very poor at equivalents, so could you tell us how many tums you use for the 20 G's of powder? I made a batch of tea using 3 Tbls of powder but only threw in 3-4 tums and no difference. I have no idea how many tums to use, obviously. Thanks for your help.

 

[DustnRoses]

I'm a little confused...is it absolutely necessary to use hot water when making pod tea? I've read a lot of things about poppy seed tea, and using cold water...The common theme was hot water kills the morphine alkaloids, and they are more soluble in cold water.

Also, how important is it to grind them into powder? I don't have access to grinding materials, so I have to resort to just breaking them apart by hand, which doesn't work too well as far as making it as fine as possible....