UK - Gravesend 'legal highs' shop boss: Don't judge us

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by Nicola Jordan
11 June 2013

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When UK Skunkworks opened in Gravesend a year ago the bosses behind the business knew they were taking an enormous risk. For it coincided with the company’s decision to axe its lucrative on-line operation following complaints from parents that legal highs were being sold to their underage children. But Skunkworks says it has flourished at its branch it Parrock Street and more customers are coming through the door by the month, according to representative Eugene Lusardi.

Mr Lusardi, based at the headquarters in Northfleet, said; “It became clear that you cannot regulate on-line. Anyone can tick a box and say they over the age of 18. And we all know young people can be misguided. “We are very strict about who we sell to, An 18-year-old may be able to walk into a shop, but we don’t even allow them to browse.”

The franchise was set up more than 10 years ago and now has 14 shops across London and the south east, including one which opened in Chatham two weeks ago. Mr Lusardi, 25, has issued a challenge to critics of legal highs - “don’t judge us until you have come and meet us”. He added since opening in the town centre they had received “absolutely no opposition”.

The north London-based graphic artist said: “We work on the basis that we are giving adults the freedom of choice, the say way that people have been smoking for decade is they choose to do so. “I couldn’t begin to sum up our client base. It is all ages from students to people in their 60s.”

On reflection, Mr Lusardi believes that the word “skunk”, associated with the class B drug cannabis may have given it a bad reputation. He said : “If you look up the dictionary meaning of the word, one of its meanings actually is “a group of people who work together to achieve great results”.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend_messenger/news/Gravesend-legal-highs-shop-boss-1794
 
It became clear that you cannot regulate on-line. Anyone can tick a box and say they over the age of 18.
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This is true. No one is allowed to sell tobacco or booze in the mail, at least in my country. I doubt that little are you over 18 box has stopped a single teen from looking at porn either.
 
Recreational chemicals - "legal highs" - are very risky.
Synthetic cannabinoids could easily be carcinogenic.
Other RCs can have an easily-approachable LD50.
We just don't know enough about them.
If people have access to real drugs (e.g. weed, coke), it is generally much safer to use them.

(This message in the interest of harm reduction)
 
However being able to choose a reliable vendor and get a known dose and purity helps. Some RC's have not shown any serious short-term side effects and have a better track record, so far, than the illegal drugs they have a similarity to.

MXE - No (real) deaths in the UK while it was legal. Is active at lower doses and has a longer duration than Ketamine. Perhaps this reduces the feeling of needing to redose. Even if it were also damaging to bladders it could be mitigated by the lower dose taken less frequently.

6-APB/5-APB etc. No (real) deaths in the UK while it was legal. Between 5 and 50 deaths per year attributed to MDMA in the UK. Is that entirely because MDMA is illegal? Or is it actually less likely to kill per dose per person than MDMA? Whatever the reason it is interesting that an entactogen can have such a good two-year track record.
 
6-APB/5-APB etc. No (real) deaths in the UK while it was legal. Between 5 and 50 deaths per year attributed to MDMA in the UK. Is that entirely because MDMA is illegal? Or is it actually less likely to kill per dose per person than MDMA? Whatever the reason it is interesting that an entactogen can have such a good two-year track record.

In Australia and Uk as far as I've heard there were so many people using mdma with no deaths at all, until leah betts and anna wood (both water intoxication?) Maybe it was just because the media didnt get hold of any deaths, or maybe i'm totally wrong and there were quite a few, but with the amount of dance parties and raves from say 1985-1995 and the amount of people chowing down on high dose pills (me included) there didn't seem to be many problems at all. I can vouch for Sydney, I went to so many large scale raves in the early 90's with often 3,000 - 5,000 + people and it seemed like ALOT of of the people at them were on pills, most people I chatted to and associated with were on pills and no harm came to any of them afaik, i used to see them all every weekend, or second weekend and we'd all do it all again, and I know the UK had many more much larger events between those times with some events having 20,000 - 40,000 + people, and I bet alot of those punters were on pills too.

It just seems to me that even when mdma was illegal in the early days (well early days for me, early 90's to mid 90's) and there was loads of people using mdma (and lsd), there wasnt many deaths at all, or casualties? Correct? Or am I wrong?

Same with LSD, loads of people tripping balls at loads of events over many years ( me included again) and no real problems that I heard about. Then this day and age people are getting harmed and dying quite a bit it seems off things like nbomes etc, maybe it's just that the media and access to it all is so available these days so i hear and read more, i dont know. The RC chems seem alot riskier to me tho, hence why I wont try or touch them personally.
 
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As Prof. David Nutt has proven that horse riding is more dangerous than MDMA, I find it hard to believe, and what is with that range anyway? Is it closer to 5 or 50? Where are you getting these numbers from?

And no (real) deaths. Great, I hate those (fake) deaths.
 
How does people actually die from nbomes? Is it like a sure thing if someone takes too much?
 
Here (Aus) there have been (quite a few) mostly young inexperienced people taking it thinking it was lsd and tripping out way too hard and dying from things like jumping off balconies, running in front of cars, or head butting trees, just going insane basically. I read that they can be like 15 times as strong as a 'normal' lsd trip, but this is all stuff I have read from news reports, so make of it what you will.
 
In Australia and Uk as far as I've heard there were so many people using mdma with no deaths at all...

The Sun article about the early rave seen I posted recently (and they would sensationalise given half a chance) said the first MDMA death was in 1989. Which is quite a few years after MDMA started being used by the masses. Probably before that there was plenty of pharma-grade MDMA floating around from when it was manufactured in the US as a therapeutic drug before 1984 when it was scheduled.

I reckon most of the ecstasy deaths are due to it not being MDMA or it being made really badly in some garden shed. There are many drugs that don't do much harm until after they are outlawed.
 
The Sun article about the early rave seen I posted recently (and they would sensationalise given half a chance) said the first MDMA death was in 1989. Which is quite a few years after MDMA started being used by the masses. Probably before that there was plenty of pharma-grade MDMA floating around from when it was manufactured in the US as a therapeutic drug before 1984 when it was scheduled.

I reckon most of the ecstasy deaths are due to it not being MDMA or it being made really badly in some garden shed. There are many drugs that don't do much harm until after they are outlawed.

Nice points.
I agree.
 
All those years of taking handfuls of mdma pills may have created a mindset that you can take 5 of something and be ok. Very few of the RC's have that kind of safety profile. Taking even double the standard dose is an OD with many of them. I don't worry about MDMA, I worry about the substances replacing it.
 
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