Uk crystal and US powder

[neMMMM]

we get dutch crystal, i've had it a few times/is available.

Speak for yourself heh. I wish I could have connections like yours. I've been doing this quite some time and have NEVER came across dutch product in NY.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

oh agreed thc2lsd

 

[humblegro]

It should not matter, if your md is reasonably pure. Shardy kids may want cool points for the look of the shard, and dealers may custie everyone cuz it is shard. I had bomb powder that under micro was "micro" crystal. I had quality shard on occasion also but mostly the micro crystal/ powder.

 

[rakketakke]

This is true. In fact, racemic MDMA won't form big shards like d-meth. Actually I'd think it's cut with MSM if molly had shards.(S)MDMA probably would, but it's never made.

The european melting method does have one advantage, it removes all the water of crystallization(MDMA forms hydrates), making it purer/stronger gram for gram if cuts aren't added.

What I'm trying to say, is you could have huge rocks cut to shit, or powder(perhaps crushed up crystals acetone washed) that's fire.

As of now, molly is better than 75% of pills, but as it becomes more popular you'll start see more cut shit.

racemate MDMA may not form large crystals, but 'shards' or 'rocks' can be made by fusing the hydrochloride

 

[burn2shine]

Crystallization IS a necessary step. Proper recrystallization will remove impurities. However, racemic MDMA doesn't form large crystals. Many producers simply melt the MDMA, add cuts, and let it cool into a large mass. This is not proper recrystallization. The right way to recrystallize MDMA and other stuff is to dissolve it in a minimum amount of hot anhydrous alcohol, optionally add a little bit of activated carbon, filter, let cool and add a co-solvent that it's insoluble in, like acetone, ether, or xylene, and cool the mixture. Crystals will grow, leaving some of the impurities in the alcohol/co-solvent.The slower the crystals grow, the bigger and purer it'll be. This could be used to clean up dirty shit.

You can't tell quality by how crystalline it is. you could have large shards bigger than you fingers, but it could be a crystalline cut. It could be pure MDMA crushed into a fine powder.

So if it's not recrystalized then it's not MDMA? Cause what I'm gathering from what you're saying is recrystalization purifies MDMA, which nobody is arguing with. Necessary means that you NEED to recrystalize in order to end up with any form of MDMA, it may be smart to recrystalize it to clean it (or to cut it with msm and make it look pretty), but it's not necessary. And when you've got major cartels and manufacturers producing vast quantities, selling Molly by the key and pressing it into pills, and people are buying the powder it's not only not necessary to recrystalize, from the manifacturers point of view it's a waste of time and money.

Now chemists who make small batches (1oz-1 pound) on the other hand take the time to recrystalize their stuff because they want there's to be set apart from all the other molly going around and need a reason to charge more for it.

 

[scureto1]

As many have already said, powder and crystal can both be extremely pure, or extremely cut.

The only difference between pure MDMA in "powder" form and "crystal" form is the size of the crystals. "Powder" is really just very, very tiny, fragile crystals. If you've ever seen or made rock candy from sugar-water, you have seen or done a recrystallization. It was sugar when it was in tiny grains, and it is still sugar once it turns into a rock. The only difference is that the tiny crystals have far less bonds built around and supporting each other, so they are soft and fragile. A rock-sized crystal has millions of bonds, all interlocked and supporting each other, and is very strong and hard except around fracture lines.

Regardless of which one you have, if it is pure, then when you eat it and it dissolves, powder and crystal become indistinguishable. There is no difference.

 

[poopstation]

come on, crystals vs powder? that just depends on the crystallization method, not the contents or purity of the mdma at all. and it doesn't matter if you're in the US or UK, the crystals will form the exact same dependent upon technique and solvent choice, not region or purity (purity does make a big difference with crystal formation however high purity mdma can also be cut with various salts and crystallize together even though it's cut, that's the only reason i say purity isn't a primary factor). BTW mdma hcl is racemic so any large crystals aren't really one large crystal, it's just many small ones fused together. mdma hcl, by nature being racemic, forms small crystals unless a fusion technique is employed.

and yes, the powder is just tiny little crystals, most likely formed by anhydrous hydrogen chloride in an anhydrous nonpolar solvent. the larger sparkly crystals (but still small just nowhere nearly as tiny of crystal formation as a powder is) are most likely recrystallized or initially crystallized in an alcohol or something with a similar dielectric constant. the large crystals (aka shards and whatnot) are formed by fusing together many small crystals that are dissolved in a medium such as an alcohol/acetone/etc in addition to a specific ratio of dh2o to mdma hcl in a specific environment to remove the dh2o at a rate that allows for it to grow to appear as one large crystal.

 

[Glowing aaron]

come on, crystals vs powder? that just depends on the crystallization method, not the contents or purity of the mdma at all. and it doesn't matter if you're in the US or UK, the crystals will form the exact same dependent upon technique and solvent choice, not region or purity (purity does make a big difference with crystal formation however high purity mdma can also be cut with various salts and crystallize together even though it's cut, that's the only reason i say purity isn't a primary factor). BTW mdma hcl is racemic so any large crystals aren't really one large crystal, it's just many small ones fused together. mdma hcl, by nature being racemic, forms small crystals unless a fusion technique is employed.

and yes, the powder is just tiny little crystals, most likely formed by anhydrous hydrogen chloride in an anhydrous nonpolar solvent. the larger sparkly crystals (but still small just nowhere nearly as tiny of crystal formation as a powder is) are most likely recrystallized or initially crystallized in an alcohol or something with a similar dielectric constant. the large crystals (aka shards and whatnot) are formed by fusing together many small crystals that are dissolved in a medium such as an alcohol/acetone/etc in addition to a specific ratio of dh2o to mdma hcl in a specific environment to remove the dh2o at a rate that allows for it to grow to appear as one large crystal.

well if you read its quite clear its not crystal vs powder in that sense, more why Europeans tend to only by crystal and on the other side of the pond powder is bought at sold.

 

[poopstation]

well if you read its quite clear its not crystal vs powder in that sense, more why Europeans tend to only by crystal and on the other side of the pond powder is bought at sold.

all that is, is giving people what they're familiar with. delivering a product the customer has faith in. if someone in the US is traditionally used to powder and loved their experiences with it they might be partial to the powder and vice versa for the europeans. you can take some UK-bought crystal and make it a powder. you can take some US-bought powder and make it crystal.

i just wanted to air that out before people get into "this is better than that" etc