UK - Can David Nutt wean us off the demon drink with his alcohol substitute?

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Neil Brady
Thursday 27 February

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The former government drugs adviser believes the only way to reduce the harms of alcohol is to replace it with a safer intoxicant.

Cancer incidence is set to increase by 70% globally between now and 2024, according to the World Health Organisation's World Cancer Report published earlier this month. The report states that much of the increase will be down to lifestyle factors – not just smoking, but also physical inactivity and excessive consumption of sugar, leading to obesity, and alcohol.

Changing people's behaviour is notoriously difficult and costly, but what if it were possible to greatly reduce the toxic effect of one of these lifestyle choices, alcohol? This is what David Nutt, professor of neuropsychopharmacology at Imperial College London and former chairman of the UK government's Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs hopes to achieve with an alcohol substitute he is working on. The drug would be intoxicating but harmless.

I spoke to Nutt last week about the genesis of his alcohol substitute. "I have spent 20 years trying to reduce the harms of alcohol, and then about 10 years ago – while working under the UK's Foresight initiative – we thought 'we'll never stop alcohol being toxic because it's intrinsically such. It causes cancer or liver disease, for example. So why don't we replace it with a safe drug?'"

His proposed alternative to alcohol works by targeting the same receptors as the neurotransmitter gamma aminobutyric acid, or Gaba, which has a "relaxing" effect on the central nervous system. These receptors are the target of several widely used drugs, including barbiturates, benzodiazepines (such as Valium) – and alcohol.

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http://www.theguardian.com/science/...utt-drink-alcohol-substitute-safer-intoxicant
 
I don't get how the first 3 shots are cumulative, and ones after will have no effect?

As for the "sober up pill", what benzo antidotes are there?
 
Yeah, it sounds completely off the wall. It's all very well saying "we need a safer substitute for booze"-everybody knows how toxic the shit is-but what, exactly? We're talking about Booze Britain here as well; it's our national drug, and deeply ingrained into our culture. Can you see every binge drinker suddenly taking some theoretical pill that doesn't even exist yet?

That's not to say I wouldn't try the damn thing though...if it's ever designed in the first place.
 
I don't get how the first 3 shots are cumulative, and ones after will have no effect?

As for the "sober up pill", what benzo antidotes are there?

Flumazenil. Not a a drug anyone would willingly take twice, and a downright dangerous one for anyone with a condition that might just require benzos.

As for the pharmacodynamics, a lot of drugs have a dose ceiling for any given effect, whereby up to a certain point, dose and effect correlate directly, but after that, further increases in dose do not give a greater effect. That's not to say other effects of that drug won't continue to escalate beyond that point, though.

The problem with replacing ethanol, especially with a novel, complex, and hard to engineer molecule, is that it's just such a simple compound that's just so easy to make, in a preparation that's ready to consume. That's a big economic advantage to work against, before we even touch on issues of culture and tradition.
 
Flumazenil. Not a a drug anyone would willingly take twice, and a downright dangerous one for anyone with a condition that might just require benzos.

There are other options. Something less severe than an antagonist. They're not used in medicine yet, but neither is Nutt's alterhol.
 
I think you guys are being a little harsh on Nutt. I think the guy deserves a Nobel Peace Prize if this whole legalization thing takes off any time soon. He's one of the movement's prime movers. Realistically speaking, he is your father.
 
One of a few people with the prestige to pull something like this off. I am fascinated though that this article implies it's an existing, licensed pharmaceutical.
 
I bet if he does make it, and it's as safe as he wants it to be, it will still be banned.
 
Yeah, it sounds completely off the wall. It's all very well saying "we need a safer substitute for booze"-everybody knows how toxic the shit is-but what, exactly? We're talking about Booze Britain here as well; it's our national drug, and deeply ingrained into our culture. Can you see every binge drinker suddenly taking some theoretical pill that doesn't even exist yet?

That's not to say I wouldn't try the damn thing though...if it's ever designed in the first place.

It will be in the form of a drink and it does exist. Not sure if you read the article or not, but I think it sounds great.
 
numbers said:
I think you guys are being a little harsh on Nutt. I think the guy deserves a Nobel Peace Prize if this whole legalization thing takes off any time soon. He's one of the movement's prime movers. Realistically speaking, he is your father.

He is to drug legalization what Timothy Leary was to psychedelic culture (or psychedelics in popular culture). Take that as you will.

sjb said:
I bet if he does make it, and it's as safe as he wants it to be, it will still be banned.

Nah, I bet he'll get it to beta-testing at least, if it works it'll be allowed (though popularity will depend on how economy of scale affects price, given celebrity/high class interest makes it appealing to the hoi polloi). 99% chance it ends up like all the other "non-addictive" GABAergics, we all know how meprobromate, methaqualone, carisoprodol, chlormethiazole, ethchlorvynol, GHB, the Z-hypnotics, phenibut, gabapentin, and pregabalin worked out.
 
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The obvious answer is GHB. Is the propaganda and moral panic associated with it really so insurmountable? It has almost identical effects to alcohol, no hangover, brain/liver/digestive tract damage, bad taste or pissing/shitting. To top it all off, not only does the withdrawal not kill you, but the drug naturally occurs in the body of every human. To the idiots who say it is easy to do to much: it would be watered down with measured doses written on the bottle, just like alcohol (Dur!).

I cannot believe that despite all binge drinking cunts who said their drink was spiked at the police station testing positive only for alcohol and 20% for stimulants in addition, there are still even police who believe the date rape myth.
 
I think you guys are being a little harsh on Nutt. I think the guy deserves a Nobel Peace Prize if this whole legalization thing takes off any time soon. He's one of the movement's prime movers.

Agreed. He's got nothing in common with that snitch Leary.
 
I would like to see his face when it gets classified along with the next generation of research chemicals, lol. Still, props for trying!
 
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