UK: Bid to cut drink-drive limit by almost half

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[size=+1]Bid to cut drink-drive limit by almost half[/size]
Motorists face having the legal alcohol limit for driving lowered by almost half under plans drawn up by a government road safety adviser.

By David Millward, Transport Editor
Published: 10:00PM BST 04 Jun 2010


The Daily Telegraph has learned that Coalition ministers are studying proposals to cut the drink-drive limit for the first time in a generation.

Under the plans, the limit would fall from 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood to 50mg. Anyone caught above the new limit would face an automatic 12-month driving ban, even if they were only marginally over the threshold.

The plans were drawn up by Sir Peter North, the former Principal of Jesus College, Oxford, who was asked to review drink-drive laws by the Department for Transport.

Some estimates suggest that a single glass of wine or pint of strong beer can leave some people — and especially women — with a blood-alcohol level above 50mg.

However, Sir Peter is said to have advised that a 50mg rule would still allow many people to consume two drinks without exceeding the limit.

His review was commissioned by the previous Labour government but submitted to Philip Hammond, the Transport Secretary, late last month. The Daily Telegraph today discloses that the confidential recommendations are more radical than officials had expected.

Sir Peter’s other proposals include scrapping rules allowing a driver whose breathalyser reading is close to the legal limit to demand a second blood or urine test at the police station. The subsequent delay often puts drivers below the limit.

Sir Peter has also urged ministers to consider an even lower limit for novice drivers of 20mg for the first five years after passing their test. However, he has recommended that this be delayed until five years after the introduction of the 50mg limit for all drivers. Other proposals include random breath testing, giving the police the right to stop motorists at any time, and lifetime bans for high risk offenders. A “drug driving” law could create an offence of getting behind the wheel with an illegal substance in the bloodstream at levels that could be deemed impairing.

The 80mg limit has been in place since the introduction of the breathalyser more than 40 years ago. Before the election, the Conservatives said they were “not minded” to reduce the limit. But the Lib Dem/Conservative Coalition is now understood to be studying Sir Peter’s recommendations closely.

A government source confirmed that Sir Peter was calling for major changes in the rules. Sir Peter is understood to have said that there is a “persuasive” case for cutting the limit. He estimated that this could save up to 168 lives in England and Wales every year.

The idea of a lower limit has been backed by members of the AA and the British Medical Association.

However, the Federation of Licensed Victuallers Associations, which represents pub landlords, opposed the move, suggesting it could lessen the stigma attached to a drink-driving conviction.

A spokesman said: “It is rightly seen by the public as anti-social and we don’t condone it in any way, shape or form. But the public perception of the lower limit may be different.”

A spokesman for the Department for Transport said: “We are considering Sir Peter’s report carefully.”


Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-to-cut-drink-drive-limit-by-almost-half.html
 
A “drug driving” law could create an offence of getting behind the wheel with an illegal substance in the bloodstream at levels that could be deemed impairing.

That's going to be interesting. How are they going to decided what levels are considered as 'impairing' for the whole range of literally hundreds of different illegal drugs?

Plus, would some people see it as condoning drug use? I can't see the police pulling someone up, giving them a roadside drug test that shows the driver to have illegal substances in their blood, but at a level below the impairment threshold… and letting them be on their merry way. Sounds to me like a ploy to get 'just cause' to search the car for anything illegal.

We also have the issue with prescription drugs. Certain drugs are legal to possess and use with a prescription, but illegal without. What happens when a driving is found to have one of those in their blood?

…which brings us on to legal drugs used for medication - either prescription, OTC or off-the shelf. Are they going to set legal limits for those too? Commonly used drugs, such as anti-histamines used to combat the symptoms of hay-fever, can make some users drowsy - which would obviously 'impair' their driving.

…and how would they define impairing anyway? There are too many questions and variables that would need addressing to implement such a law - it's a minefield!
 
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Under the plans, the limit would fall from 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood to 50mg. Anyone caught above the new limit would face an automatic 12-month driving ban, even if they were only marginally over the threshold.

I don't understand why there is an all-or-nothing attitude to punishing drink drivers.

Why not introduce a scaled offence structure so that say, 80mg or above added 12 points¹ onto your license - which would ban you straight away, the same as a drink-driving offence does now - as well as 9pts for 60mg, 6 pts for 40mg and 3pts for 20mg.

Sir Peter has also urged ministers to consider an even lower limit for novice drivers of 20mg for the first five years after passing their test.

This could also be covered under the suggestion above as novice drivers, in effect, start with 6 points on their license.


[¹ In the UK, you accrue penalty points on your license for most driving offences. For example, you (usually) get 3 points for speeding. If you manage to clock-up 12 points within a 36 month period, you will get banned for 12 months.]
 
Here in Japan, any blood alcohol level higher than 0 is considered drunk driving. If people have a drink in the late afternoon, they don't dare drive home after dinner.
It seems a bit excessive to me, but the number of people killed by drunk drivers is very low!
 
if alcohol had been discovered in the last 100 years like the vast majority of all illegal drugs, it would be a schedule 1 or class A drug for sure.
 
Here in Japan, any blood alcohol level higher than 0 is considered drunk driving. If people have a drink in the late afternoon, they don't dare drive home after dinner.
It seems a bit excessive to me, but the number of people killed by drunk drivers is very low!
Yeah, I also heard there are very high fines.


I think .00 is too strict, but a 2 drink limit, around .05 seems good to me. I'd also be for high fines, based on income/worth, automatically deducted out or your paychecks if you work. Absolutely no reason to drive impaired.


The whole drugged driving thing is a fucking mess. See 7zark's post. :)
 
They should have all drivers pass an intelligence test instead of a blood alchohol test.

How about a blood alcohol test for politicians on the job? They're driving a country.
 
In australia all drivers have a 0.00 limit for the first year, then 0.002 for the next two years. then its 0.5 for the rest of their driving career...

But our drug driving laws are crazy. No such thing as an impaired level, ANY level!
 
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