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uk ban on 5 meo dalt, amt and AH-7921

I assume the ban on Etizs is in the post so to speak, do you think that they will have the sense to approach it differently to other bans with the quite deadly risks from abruptly killing the supply and leaving folk in potentially deadly withdrawls?

Surely they cant just ban them and leave everyone to it, or will there just be a mass of people hitting up there GP's for diaz scripts? Its going to be bad news of it does happen...!
 
ScotchMist said:
I assume the ban on Etizs is in the post so to speak, do you think that they will have the sense to approach it differently to other bans with the quite deadly risks from abruptly killing the supply and leaving folk in potentially deadly withdrawls?

Surely they cant just ban them and leave everyone to it, or will there just be a mass of people hitting up there GP's for diaz scripts? Its going to be bad news of it does happen...!
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They're gna bad epiz too? Isn't that like a benzo? I think MDB takes that. I agree they need to be careful if I'm right because isn't there risks of seizers?

Yes I was wrong yesterday. Why are they taking these chemicals be tried and then banning them???? It's kind of unfair on people in a way. Kind of like banning OTC stuff to a point. And all it's going to do is give dealers more money, a chance to mix with other stuff so the stuff will be less pure and less chance of harm reduction. Seems silly having thought about things.

When are these bans coming?

Evey
 
Etiz Evey, Etiz. Chemically it is very similar to a Benzodiazapine, but slightly different. But regardless of its small chemical difference, WDs are pretty much the same as with Benzos. Etizolam left me with a nasty Benzo habbit that im still tapering from now.
 
HouseFever said:
Etiz Evey, Etiz. Chemically it is very similar to a Benzodiazapine, but slightly different. But regardless of its small chemical difference, WDs are pretty much the same as with Benzos. Etizolam left me with a nasty Benzo habbit that im still tapering from now.
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Damn, HouseFever, Sorry to hear that... not good... Well I blame recovery groups... blah... bloody hypocrites lotta them! They take their drugs, get over their addictions and expect the world to follow suit. I'm happy for people in recovery, don't get me wrong but just because they've decided that path DO NOT expect everyone to follow suit. The amount of people expecting me to stop codeine because they had done, made my blood boil n seriously lose my temper.

Evey
 
I blame myself, no one else. It was too easy to munch down on a load of little blue pills to make everything better. Not that anything was particulaly bad in the first place. They made work fly by, made me sleep easier, they just made day to day life better. If I could carry on taking them I would. But thats not reality. All it took was a trip to the doctors to get myself sorted, and over time no addiction. The only thing that has made it harder than it should of been, was my doctor, the evil bitch made me go to the pharmacy daily for ages.
 
Eveleivibe said:
Yes I was wrong yesterday. Why are they taking these chemicals be tried and then banning them???? It's kind of unfair on people in a way. Kind of like banning OTC stuff to a point. And all it's going to do is give dealers more money, a chance to mix with other stuff so the stuff will be less pure and less chance of harm reduction. Seems silly having thought about things.
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Keep that thought in your mind. And think about the very recent past when MDMA was legal, when LSD was legal, when cannabis was legal

It's all the same situation. Unfairly banned for dubious reasons. All it did was "give dealers more money, a chance to mix with other stuff so the stuff will be less pure and less chance of harm reduction. Seems silly"

Prohibition - Seems silly.
Relatively safe drugs being illegal? Seems silly.
 
parttime crackhead said:
Keep that thought in your mind. And think about the very recent past when MDMA was legal, when LSD was legal, when cannabis was legal

It's all the same situation. Unfairly banned for dubious reasons. All it did was "give dealers more money, a chance to mix with other stuff so the stuff will be less pure and less chance of harm reduction. Seems silly"

Prohibition - Seems silly.
Relatively safe drugs being illegal? Seems silly.
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Oh, I agree with you. I already admitted that I thought about your argument and see that you were right. I also remember being addicted to codeine when they were discussing the possibility of making the OTC stuff illegal, and how frightened I was at the time, of it happening. I had forgotten that yesterday - and was being selfish. Plus when I feel backed into a corner my stubborn streak can come out and it's like something overtakes, sorry hard to explain. But yes I do agree with all that, having thought things through.

For instance, I've heard that dealers cut Heroin with stuff that can be dangerous, if it was legalised and sold in limited qualities there'd be less chance of lives being lost.

Oh - also until I came to Bluelight I still thought that Leah B had been killed from E - I had no idea it was water intoxication. That was because we watched some video in school like 16+ years ago.

Evey
 
Eveleivibe said:
Oh - also until I came to Bluelight I still thought that Leah B had been killed from E - I had no idea it was water intoxication. That was because we watched some video in school like 16+ years ago.
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I watched 'some video' in school too. Probably the same one half a decade later no doubt.

I just sat at the back of the class mocking everything that was taught to us about drugs. Mostly from a stoners perspective but now I realise that taking a single 'E' is unlikely to do you any harm unless you are extremely unfortunate. What gives with the whole Cocaine & hole in the nose thing too? It's just scaremongering.

I wish they would spend some time talking about the real dangers like polydrug use, how drugs can affect your mental health & the negative consequences habits (in general) can have on your life. Hell, I wish they would tell people how to take drugs safely but that would just be seen to be encouraging drug use, so that'll never happen.

Prohibition has many flaws, the problem is we are too far down this road to turn back now.
 
You just need to give dalt a few chances till your brain gets in sync. With it
 
^ I did. Got through a couple of grams. I didn't hate it, but can't say I ever really enjoyed it. Really like the sound of the 4-aco / 4-ho versions. Just a bit pricey so never got round to trying.
At least its cheap enough that you can get a big stash before the ban
 
Could iv i had more than a penny t my name
It was great to drop on a night and watch family guy
Or have sex just made me happy and gave me visuals

I cant belief there is nothing we can do about it
Just cos ppl who have nothing to do with drugs dont like drugs
Ppl who love them cant
 
Eveleivibe said:
My family WANTED me off opiates, not me! I had no choice in the matter.

Evey
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what age are you?

you are still on opiates and arguably subutex is a "harder" opiate than codeine.

if it works for you great but i wouldnt consider myself "clean" on subutex, just as i dont think im clean on methadone.
 
Transform said:
They have also recommended banning LSZ, AL-LAD and ALD-52

You can read the report here: PDF
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Which totally defeats the point of trying to keep such things on the downlow. Any future forays into those areas may as well take the piss as much as anybody else would given the risk is the same. In fact why not just make LSD instead as it all earns the same sentence. Or sell folk battery acid instead - same sentence again. Fukkin drug laws :\

ComfortablyNumb95 said:
I doubt you'd feel the AH on that dose of subs, from the reports i read it's fairly weak.
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Reported to be ~80% as potent as morphine (IV bioavailabilty) which seems around and about right from my brief and limited testings of it (which were smoked/chased not injected incidentally)
 
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HouseFever said:
I blame myself, no one else. It was too easy to munch down on a load of little blue pills to make everything better. Not that anything was particulaly bad in the first place. They made work fly by, made me sleep easier, they just made day to day life better. If I could carry on taking them I would. But thats not reality. All it took was a trip to the doctors to get myself sorted, and over time no addiction. The only thing that has made it harder than it should of been, was my doctor, the evil bitch made me go to the pharmacy daily for ages.
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Don't be hard on yourself, mate. I got addicted to codeine. I knew that codeine was addictive but was so anxious due to my ex's evil shenanigans n that I'd be caught in his crap, that I needed the codeine to escape. I took 900mg a day, probably more. Never did to get high, though of course, I did. I just needed for the anger, hurt, fear and anxiety to go away. Try not to feel bad, we all get into things; it's how we get out of them that truly counts. Bluelight has helped me so much. As I explained on another thread, I think the f***** thread, sorry drinking here, my key worker explained to me what "legal highs" were n how they become legal. I love my key worker she's very intelligent and I love that she engages in intelligent discussion too.

EDIT: Si, will check out your post now. I've had a drink so may not give it the full attention it deserves but will look again tomorrow.

Evey
 
Dunno if this has already been posted, but here's a link to a Telegraph article telling of a teenager that died from taking 'deadly legal high' AMT http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10890567/Call-to-ban-legal-high-drug-AMT.html

Seems he took nearly a gram 8o

Surely this is yet another case for legalisation and regulation, rather than just banning it and driving it into the underground? Pisses me off that only one death (to my knowledge) is enough to call for a ban when 100s of people are dying from paracetamol poisoning every year. Also, this 'temporary ban nonsense is a complete sham. Is the situation ever actually reviewed again after a substance has been temp banned for a year? If it is, the findings are not exactly public knowledge are they?
 
I agree completely. The temp ban orders are basically a way to quickly take material off the market before any proper research has been completed to prove a substance is harmful or dangerous. Basically, the goverment can & will ban anything they feel has a propensity for abuse (except alcohol & tobacco & RC stims & benzodiazepines, for some reason) & when they've collated or concocted the evidence needed to produce a permanent ban, they do.

The chances of something on a temp ban order being taken off & put back onto the market are slim to nil imo.
 
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