TV radicalisation - the real menace in the west

[rickolasnice]

While the CT part of 9/11 might belong in CE&P there is very clearly a role played by TV and media. I'm unsure what wreckage you speak of because right at the start there was pretty much no wreckage and only a hole that could never have accommodated more than the fuselage of the plane, so where are the hardened steel-titanium, high temperature, 6 tonne engines? The TV made sure we all got overdosed on the tiny scrap pieces later on but initial footage and photos showed nothing.

Then you've clearly done your homework using only conspiracy theorist sources and information.

Can't be arsed for a long one.. You seen the damage that the bomber did to the empire state building in the 40's? The hole in the pentagon is exactly the type of damage we would expect to see.. especially when you can see wing damage on the front* (oh that's right the conspiracy websites don't use that photo). There was tonnes of wreckage.. In one shot from above you can see a HUGE pile of aluminium shrapnel..then there were things like landing gear, and i forget what else, fuck it look it up.. which are not only photographed but recorded by almost every eye witness there, a lot of whom were fire fighters. And then there were the witnesses to the FUCKING GREAT PLANE that flew into the side of the building.

NSFW:

about 89 The amount of eye witnesses I gathered who stated they saw an object crash into the Pentagon. The vast majority of the still available ones.
at least 45 The amount of eye witnesses who reported seeing a plane and described it with words like: 'airliner', 'big', 'silver', 'roaring', etc.
at least 23 The amount of eye witnesses who specifically said they saw an American Airlines jet. In all cases a large jet.
at least 22 The amount of witnesses who reported the noise of the plane was very loud to deafening.
at least 17 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a plane running down light poles when crossing the highways.
at least 12 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw and heard the plane increase its throttle at the last seconds.
at least 11 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a C-130H flying 30 seconds behind a jetliner.
at least 5 The amount of eye witnesses who specifically stated they saw the plane had its gear up.
at least 2 The amount of eye witnesses who stated that they saw a small corporate jet, without doing any creative interpretating [sic] of the witness accounts.
at least 0 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a missile. What the person thought he heard isn't relevant!
at least 0 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a military jet fighter at the time of the crash.
at least 0 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw a Global Hawk at the time of the crash.
at least 3 The amount of witnesses who reported the sound of the plane was quite noiseless. (One of them acknowledged it was the shock)
at least 1 The amount of eye witnesses who stated they saw the plane had it's gear down. (Indirect, said a wheel hit a pole)
at least 25 The amount of witnesses who have said something that might point to the use of explosives or incendiaries. (White flash, powerful blast waves which blew people through the air, molten glass, burning aluminium, [sic] spreading debris over hundreds of yards back to where the plane came from, including 2 engines, the missing plane itself, etc.)

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/damage.html

 

[Journyman16]

Here's a nice aerial before the facade collapses - be right curious as to where all this debris you're so angry about might be? Engines perhaps - they're something like 10 ft in diameter and pretty solid objects?

Could you perhaps point out the gouge marks the engines would have left as the fuselage hit the building at ground floor level?

What you are demonstrating is the process via which TV radicalises and cements opinion. People see it as the factual medium - after all, you can SEE it, (whatever 'it' is) but the truth is for 30 years or more they been able to lie to us almost in real time.

 

[Foreigner]

I don't watch TV, especially the news. They're never giving us the full story anyway. I've been subjected to it at restaurants and bars though. The news is sickening, delivered by people who are so fake it's unbelievable.

Seems to me that if people turned off their TVs for a healthy length of time, got grounded in reality again, and then turned their TV back on, they too would see how ridiculous it is.

The fear mongering is really over the top these days.

 

[GodandLove]

I don't watch TV, especially the news. They're never giving us the full story anyway. I've been subjected to it at restaurants and bars though. The news is sickening, delivered by people who are so fake it's unbelievable.

Seems to me that if people turned off their TVs for a healthy length of time, got grounded in reality again, and then turned their TV back on, they too would see how ridiculous it is.

The fear mongering is really over the top these days.

You're absolutely right, turning off their TVs and spending more time on drug forum websites like Bluelight would be really beneficial for their damaged psyches.

 

[Journyman16]

I don't watch TV, especially the news. They're never giving us the full story anyway. I've been subjected to it at restaurants and bars though. The news is sickening, delivered by people who are so fake it's unbelievable.

Seems to me that if people turned off their TVs for a healthy length of time, got grounded in reality again, and then turned their TV back on, they too would see how ridiculous it is.

The fear mongering is really over the top these days.

^^ Like this - very true.

 

[rickolasnice]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=d...DICw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1422&bih=741&dpr=0.9

Despite my use of "fuck ton" the aluminium wouldn't be too recognisable and is probably a lot less than one would think for a plane (it really is just thin sheets).. But there is still a large amount.. I didn't see the pic i was referring to but it'll be there somewhere.

In regards to the engines, from the top of my head i honestly don't know can't remember the details and am sure as hell not gonna spend my time relearning both camps versions of 9/11.. but I recall an interview or something where someone (either fire, police or army) reported something about an engine.. And they would have been inside the building with most of the other heavier parts of the plane.

I used to believe the conspiracy theories so trust me I know the stories and the "evidence" to support them.

 

[methamaniac]

Rico,
You may need to clear your box can't send u a message.
Let's chess

 

[Journyman16]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=d...DICw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1422&bih=741&dpr=0.9

Despite my use of "fuck ton" the aluminium wouldn't be too recognisable and is probably a lot less than one would think for a plane (it really is just thin sheets).. But there is still a large amount.. I didn't see the pic i was referring to but it'll be there somewhere.

In regards to the engines, from the top of my head i honestly don't know can't remember the details and am sure as hell not gonna spend my time relearning both camps versions of 9/11.. but I recall an interview or something where someone (either fire, police or army) reported something about an engine.. And they would have been inside the building with most of the other heavier parts of the plane.

I used to believe the conspiracy theories so trust me I know the stories and the "evidence" to support them.

LOL - now THERE is one hell of a detailed and concise refutation... :D

I recall an interview or something where someone (either fire, police or army) reported something about an engine

Yep, that nails it alright. :D

The problem is the engines aren't INSIDE either. If anything could penetrate reinforced concrete walls it would be those engines and nothing in there burned hot enough to melt them. And engines are not something that would shatter into tiny pieces, so where are they?

Where are the gouges in the ground? The plane could NOT have hit the ground floor like that WITHOUT leaving great long gouges across the lawn from the engines. Physics also says the plane could not hit the ground floor anyway because of the air cushion effect. To which the official response was,"well that's stupid because planes land on the ground all the time" - totally ignoring the fact that planes landing slow right down so the wing lift and cushion effects are overcome by the dead weight of the plane - this one is supposed to have hit going full speed.

But TV prevents this dialogue and trying to bring it up online draws anger and outrage because people instinctively believe what they are told in the MSM. The physics of the twin towers and WTC7 tells us this is faked, that it was set up from the start and a guy in a cave on the other side of the planet could not have organised THAT on his best day and Osama was a guy dying from kidney and liver failures.

But TV presents ridiculous scenarios to 'explain' how the only 3 buildings ever to collapse from fire could have done so, ignoring the fact that all 3 fell in their footprints - a task so difficult that engineers spend weeks and months planning how to get building to do it for demolition jobs.

And the people eat it up and get mad when anybody dares to shake what the MSM fed them.

The MSM is programming us and unless we can step back and see what they are trying to program us FOR, we will soon all be bagged and tagged, several billions dead and the rest of us serving in the stables of the ultra-rich.

 

[Ransom itch]

In the wake of Paris, the world media is now pumping out an allegedly 'live recording' of a telephone conversation amazingly captured by a reporter who phoned the warehouse wanting to speak to some hostages if possible. And guess who answered the phone? Only the lead hostage taker who proceeded to give glory to allah and tell of his links to Al Qaeda. It was at this moment I realised we are yet again being played like lemmings and that there is a far wider agenda being played out here. It reminds me of the FBI bullshit story who claimed that amidst the burning wreckage of 911 they found a fully intact passport of one of the terrorist pilots. Oooooooh what an amazing job our secret services do in protecting the public interests and safety. I feel so much safer with them around. Bastards.

 

[Journyman16]

In the wake of Paris, the world media is now pumping out an allegedly 'live recording' of a telephone conversation amazingly captured by a reporter who phoned the warehouse wanting to speak to some hostages if possible. And guess who answered the phone? Only the lead hostage taker who proceeded to give glory to allah and tell of his links to Al Qaeda. It was at this moment I realised we are yet again being played like lemmings and that there is a far wider agenda being played out here. It reminds me of the FBI bullshit story who claimed that amidst the burning wreckage of 911 they found a fully intact passport of one of the terrorist pilots. Oooooooh what an amazing job our secret services do in protecting the public interests and safety. I feel so much safer with them around. Bastards.

Pretty much.

See, they keep pushing the boundaries of belief and because Freud's nephew, Ed Bernays gave them the tools they need, the People of the world simply listen and obey.

France resued the Iran thing... guess what the new polls will show about France's opinions?

 

[Ninae]

In the wake of Paris, the world media is now pumping out an allegedly 'live recording' of a telephone conversation amazingly captured by a reporter who phoned the warehouse wanting to speak to some hostages if possible. And guess who answered the phone? Only the lead hostage taker who proceeded to give glory to allah and tell of his links to Al Qaeda. It was at this moment I realised we are yet again being played like lemmings and that there is a far wider agenda being played out here. It reminds me of the FBI bullshit story who claimed that amidst the burning wreckage of 911 they found a fully intact passport of one of the terrorist pilots. Oooooooh what an amazing job our secret services do in protecting the public interests and safety. I feel so much safer with them around. Bastards.

I'm not exactly interested in politics and won't even pretend I understand much of it but this is getting so out of hand now. It reminds me of whenever there is a serious conflict and NATO has to get involved in war in some way there are 24 hour TV transmissions and (almost) nothing else in the news all day.

 

[Journyman16]

Here's a nice aerial before the facade collapses - be right curious as to where all this debris you're so angry about might be? Engines perhaps - they're something like 10 ft in diameter and pretty solid objects?

Could you perhaps point out the gouge marks the engines would have left as the fuselage hit the building at ground floor level?

What you are demonstrating is the process via which TV radicalises and cements opinion. People see it as the factual medium - after all, you can SEE it, (whatever 'it' is) but the truth is for 30 years or more they been able to lie to us almost in real time.

Hmmm... so, no answer to this conundrum? How does a huge plane disappear into a small hole in a building, punch through 3 steel reinforced concrete walls leaving a very discrete hole in the 3rd one and NOT leave the engines somewhere in the path? Or how a hollow aluminium tube somehow manages to punch through even ONE steel-reinforced concrete wall?

Seriously?

OK... so how about an explanation for how the only 3 skyscraper-type buildings on the planet EVER to collapse due to fire are ALL at WTC?

Or... How about the fact that EVERY single build above about 10 floors to collapse in it's own footprint requires weeks of calculations by really qualified engineers to make it happen? Apparently all you ned is to ram a plane into it... according to US 'experts'... :D

Oh... and here's another... Just how do you get a building to fall AT THE SAME SPEED as the debris that is falling from it? (hint)There's only one answer here... you have to take out the floors below. Physics says no other answer is real.

 

[Ninae]

I'm just waiting for something to happen in London too and the whole of Europe will go completely nuts ("Paris and London have been attacked").

 

[methamaniac]

^
I wouldn't put anything past big government.
Nothing really surprises or shocks me anymore.

 

[swilow]

In the wake of Paris, the world media is now pumping out an allegedly 'live recording' of a telephone conversation amazingly captured by a reporter who phoned the warehouse wanting to speak to some hostages if possible. And guess who answered the phone? Only the lead hostage taker who proceeded to give glory to allah and tell of his links to Al Qaeda. It was at this moment I realised we are yet again being played like lemmings and that there is a far wider agenda being played out here. It reminds me of the FBI bullshit story who claimed that amidst the burning wreckage of 911 they found a fully intact passport of one of the terrorist pilots. Oooooooh what an amazing job our secret services do in protecting the public interests and safety. I feel so much safer with them around. Bastards.

I think that this kind of speculation, at this early stage, is a bit disrespectful. .

Of course someone committing a political/ideologically inspired massacre is going to ensure they give air to their ideology, at least in truncated fashion.

 

[Ransom itch]

Our news is all part of the 'game'. As a society, we are by and large allowed to exercise freedom of speech but only within media mogul strictly controlled parameters. Not for one second is anybody publicly allowed to ask unsafe questions of our political leaders. 'How dare you allow Muslims to form their own communities within our centuries old established society!' is a 'shocking' but perfectly acceptable viewpoint to be aired within the imposed guidelines. However, ask the UK government that if former weapons inspector Dr David Kelly committed suicide in a woodland clearing by cutting his wrists, then ask the government where now are the attending paramedics whose comments at the time accidentally 'slipped through the media safety perimeter' and were briefly aired on public television, the two paramedics saying that for a wrist-slitting suicide there was remarkably little blood at the scene. Come on media outlets, please pick up on this real-time admission, please explain how so many people at ground level believe Dr Kelly was bumped off and his body moved and propped up against a tree. I hate the media. How those prostitute news editors sleep at night nobody knows, if they sleep at all.

 

[noone1]

In the wake of Paris, the world media is now pumping out an allegedly 'live recording' of a telephone conversation amazingly captured by a reporter who phoned the warehouse wanting to speak to some hostages if possible. And guess who answered the phone? Only the lead hostage taker who proceeded to give glory to allah and tell of his links to Al Qaeda. It was at this moment I realised we are yet again being played like lemmings and that there is a far wider agenda being played out here. It reminds me of the FBI bullshit story who claimed that amidst the burning wreckage of 911 they found a fully intact passport of one of the terrorist pilots. Oooooooh what an amazing job our secret services do in protecting the public interests and safety. I feel so much safer with them around. Bastards.

I'm wondering what the hell is wrong with you people. Are you emotionally retarded in some way so you just believe the opposite of whatever the mainstream story is no matter how plausible it is? They Phoned the warehouse where the hostage takers would answer who do you think would answer?

The 9/11 passports where found amidst many, many other papers. Paper is actually more likely to survive a plane crash than other things due to physics so it doesn't seem unlikely. You can see a myriad of papers from the WTC strewn about the streets after the explosion. This bears out through out history if you follow up on plane crash histories. This is why there is no outrage about some hidden conspiracy, rather because it's bullshit. You couldn't keep something this big bottled up the bigger a conspiracy is the harder it is to keep under wraps.

 

[herbavore]

As an older person, I worry about this (the fear mongering and the fear ingesting/internalizing) quite a bit--not so much for myself but for my children and their children. I grew up with the first generation of TV watching families. Those of us that came of age then had grown up with such deep fears of nuclear annihilation as very young children and then with the publication of Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring we were the first generation to live with the knowledge of a poisoned planet. What this level of fear does to the developing psyche--individual and collective--is profound. As young people stepping into the adult world we wanted to tear down the fear machine and we went at it with a euphoric vengeance. We relearned what our grandparents had forgotten about growing food and stewarding land, we tried to pry the ideas of ownership and inequality from our sexual relationships, we tried to move beyond the religions we had been raised with to a more authentic spirituality centered in our own place in the web of life, to exchange beliefs for understanding. We opened our eyes to the manipulation of the media and confronted everything from beauty ideals to racial and gender stereotypes. So what happened to this generation of peace warriors who now live in big bloated energy-hogging houses and feed their grandchildren organic snacks from corporate stores and sit glued to their screens like everyone else? We learned what it means to be truly manipulated. We learned that what we saw outside of us--when we turned off the TV and really saw the world for ourselves--also lived inside us. We had eaten a steady diet of the monster and we could not face that we ourselves were a part of the monster. So, the fear of the monster outside (the monster being the fear-mongering war machine of greed) became a fear of the self (an inability to face the fear and greed in ourselves). Seekers turned to hungry ghosts. All the ideals commodified and sold back to us the now willing buyers. Spiritual exploration turned to hedonistic self-gratification. This is what I think about these days--how we took that very real and earnest and pure energy and squandered it because we did not go deep enough or far enough into ourselves. We did not fully understand the depth in which we had been indoctrinated and we placed our trust in changing the systems outside of ourselves.

So here are my questions to all the young people in this conversation: how do you confront the deep fear and greed in yourselves? How do separate self-justification from self-compassion? How do you distinguish between what is an outside source of fear and easily identifiable and what is your own fearsome shadow?

I find that getting rid of my TV (since the 70's) is a rather moot point these days. I end up watching clips online or then going to read about something further I am taken into a world of complete bias via blogs, youtube videos etc. Sometimes I feel that it is impossible for me to get information that is not through the filter that I have aligned myself with consciously or unconsciously. We live in a polarized world in which we each feed our worst fears. I no longer believe anything I see in a film or a photograph when all can be doctored according to what the bias of the presenter wants to prove. How do we humans stay human, and by human I mean connected to each other, when trust in each other has been so profoundly eroded? If we all simply did not trust our governments this would be a clear fight; but we no longer trust anything including ourselves. I think this is the question of our time and I am awaiting the next big wave of humanist revolution. I was pretty hopeful about Occupy but then I felt like I was watching my young students at school whose attention spans have most certainly changed over my 30 years of teaching.8(

 

[treezy z]

Herbavore, you bastards (boomers) fucked this country up, and all those stupid drug parties did was facilitate the rise of cultural marxism. Fuck the 60s and their fake ass revolution.

 

[treezy z]

Not calling you a bastard. Just boomers as a whole.