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turning "gay" while rolling

This is actually quiet normal in many cultures around the world.

I couldnt find the original post (too drunk) but holding hands is really not a sign of being 'gay'. A LOT of Indian guys hold hands with each other - that is not a sign of them being gay at all.

I personally think that guys hugging, holding hands and iteracting with each other in a non sexual way ISNT saying they are gay but simply saying that they are comfortable with their sexuality and therefore comfortable with hugging, kissing, holding hands with another guy.
 
I couldnt find the original post (too drunk) but holding hands is really not a sign of being 'gay'. A LOT of Indian guys hold hands with each other - that is not a sign of them being gay at all.

I personally think that guys hugging, holding hands and iteracting with each other in a non sexual way ISNT saying they are gay but simply saying that they are comfortable with their sexuality and therefore comfortable with hugging, kissing, holding hands with another guy.

Totally agree- and I think we set different standard for men vs. women, if a two women are affectionate (sober or otherwise!) people generally accept that they could just be close friends. If two men are holding hands, hugging, or rubbing eachothers backs, it's assumed they are bi, gay, or interested in eachother sexually. Not at all. The first time my little brother rolled, he kissed my boyfriend on the cheek repeatedly, and you've never seen two guys who were more "manly" or "straight"- I think it's great! Affection and love does not = sexual or romantic interest.
 
well first off i am married with a kid, so that proves the hetro thing. but my second time rolling i was with one of my best friends and we went to my ex gf's apartment. her and her female roomate had dates there. we brought along another guy friend to do glowsticks. well my best friend and me gave each other shoulder rubs all night bc it felt so good but never anything past that. the next day the glowstick friend was calling us gay but he was a moron. it was all part of blowing up. now the kissing the hand thing the OP mentioned, idk that could go either way lol
 
IMO most straight guys too concerned on wether they look gay or not. Thats the beauty of mdma, for the most part its non-sexual love. I've rolled with straight friends. I've even had one kiss me on the cheek and give me a big hug. I thought nothing of it he was just in the moment. He then proceeded to tell me how I'm like his brother. It was really sweet! Just go with the flow! Besides? Who doesn't like a hug? People who hug more have lower stress levels!

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I use about 300mg a night maximum, I only need about 60mg of this stuff to K-hole for hours so i wouldn't do "10 bumps and shit" that would be stupid. I don't think using Ketamine twice in the last three months is abuse, especially when each time I used one gram over the whole weekend not in a night but I do think 500mg of MDMA in a night is kind of abusive. Also taking 20mg Ambien, 5mg K-pin and 400mg Benadryl is abuse.
 
I use about 300mg a night maximum, I only need about 60mg of this stuff to K-hole for hours so i wouldn't do "10 bumps and shit" that would be stupid. I don't think using Ketamine twice in the last three months is abuse, especially when each time I used one gram over the whole weekend not in a night but I do think 500mg of MDMA in a night is kind of abusive. Also taking 20mg Ambien, 5mg K-pin and 400mg Benadryl is abuse.

Okay? What's that all about? LOL
 
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Tnks
 
IMO most straight guys too concerned on wether they look gay or not. Thats the beauty of mdma, for the most part its non-sexual love. I've rolled with straight friends. I've even had one kiss me on the cheek and give me a big hug. I thought nothing of it he was just in the moment. He then proceeded to tell me how I'm like his brother. It was really sweet! Just go with the flow! Besides? Who doesn't like a hug? People who hug more have lower stress levels!

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^ that's not necessarily true. 2 guys can have sex and not be gay. (not saying they aren't though, just saying that it doesn't mean that) You are missing what gay actually is..

Being gay is being sexually aroused by the same sex, and not the other. You can still have sex and not find it attractive or even sexually arousing. I mean girls get with other girls to make money all the time, or haven't you heard gay for pay. That doesn't mean they are gay.

Or even just being so horny that you'll have sex with a guy doesn't mean you're gay either.. Sometimes when people really want sex, they will do it with whoever. That doesn't mean they are sexually attracted to the same sex though.
 
If your having sex im pretty sure your sexually aroused. 2 guys that get sexually aroused to have sex with one another are gay.
 
If your having sex im pretty sure your sexually aroused. 2 guys that get sexually aroused to have sex with one another are gay.
Please, then, good sir, explain the extremely high prevalence of homosexual sex in prison amongst men who have never had sexual relations with other men before prison, and once released, do not have sex with men ever again?

Are these men gay?

......

Gotta say, this thread frustrates the shit out of me with people's incessant need to categorize and define sexual behavior. Some things are too complex to be put into neat little categories, or too IMPORTANT to be put in those categories.

Example: my racial background is: Arabian Jew, Russian Jew, Irish, and American Indian.

What race am I?

What about my roommate who is 1/4 black, 1/4 american indian, 1/2 german?

What race is Tiger Woods?

Sexual behavior and orientation is extraordinarily complex and it's useless frivolity to bother categorizing except when it comes time to determine if you're gonna fuck someone. If someone's sexual orientation is important for you to establish whether you want to have a friendship with them, then you're probably afraid of your OWN sexuality and need to figure out how to get comfortable with it before it fucks your life up.

Also, for the record, for the male homophobes out there, as one of my gay male friends put it when I expressed concern about being mobbed in a gay bar (and it was a valid fear and I WAS mobbed, but whatever, it was flattering)...Remember that not every gay man wants to jump your bones. If you're an average straight guy, odds are they couldn't be less interested in your unsexy, slightly overweight, pimply, poorly dressed, uninteresting ass!
 
Please, then, good sir, explain the extremely high prevalence of homosexual sex in prison amongst men who have never had sexual relations with other men before prison, and once released, do not have sex with men ever again?

Are these men gay?

......

Gotta say, this thread frustrates the shit out of me with people's incessant need to categorize and define sexual behavior. Some things are too complex to be put into neat little categories, or too IMPORTANT to be put in those categories.

Example: my racial background is: Arabian Jew, Russian Jew, Irish, and American Indian.

What race am I?

What about my roommate who is 1/4 black, 1/4 american indian, 1/2 german?

What race is Tiger Woods?

Sexual behavior and orientation is extraordinarily complex and it's useless frivolity to bother categorizing except when it comes time to determine if you're gonna fuck someone. If someone's sexual orientation is important for you to establish whether you want to have a friendship with them, then you're probably afraid of your OWN sexuality and need to figure out how to get comfortable with it before it fucks your life up.

Also, for the record, for the male homophobes out there, as one of my gay male friends put it when I expressed concern about being mobbed in a gay bar (and it was a valid fear and I WAS mobbed, but whatever, it was flattering)...Remember that not every gay man wants to jump your bones. If you're an average straight guy, odds are they couldn't be less interested in your unsexy, slightly overweight, pimply, poorly dressed, uninteresting ass!

im gonna have to go with the other guy on this. if two guys are having sex and liking it, they are gay. the prison dudes, well thats just lack of pussy. if you are in there for a long time, your hand will start to get old i imagine. if any guy has sex with another guy and enjoys it, he is gay or bi. no denying that my friend
 
i've kissed girls rolling but i am straight.
and AAWH i think its super cute that your friend kissed your hand! i really don't understand why everyones saying thats gay, if anything it means that hes really comfortable with his sexuality. i think its great that you guys are so close you can do stuff like that with each other. i want to live in a world where everyone is like that with their friends! :)
 
Please, then, good sir, explain the extremely high prevalence of homosexual sex in prison amongst men who have never had sexual relations with other men before prison, and once released, do not have sex with men ever again?

Are these men gay?

......

Gotta say, this thread frustrates the shit out of me with people's incessant need to categorize and define sexual behavior. Some things are too complex to be put into neat little categories, or too IMPORTANT to be put in those categories.

Example: my racial background is: Arabian Jew, Russian Jew, Irish, and American Indian.

What race am I?

What about my roommate who is 1/4 black, 1/4 american indian, 1/2 german?

What race is Tiger Woods?

Sexual behavior and orientation is extraordinarily complex and it's useless frivolity to bother categorizing except when it comes time to determine if you're gonna fuck someone. If someone's sexual orientation is important for you to establish whether you want to have a friendship with them, then you're probably afraid of your OWN sexuality and need to figure out how to get comfortable with it before it fucks your life up.

Also, for the record, for the male homophobes out there, as one of my gay male friends put it when I expressed concern about being mobbed in a gay bar (and it was a valid fear and I WAS mobbed, but whatever, it was flattering)...Remember that not every gay man wants to jump your bones. If you're an average straight guy, odds are they couldn't be less interested in your unsexy, slightly overweight, pimply, poorly dressed, uninteresting ass!

You are from the human race :D. Everything skin deep are little alterations through evolution that humans had needed to help them adapt to their environment. Like light skinned individuals lost their darker coloring because when they moved out of Africa towards central asia they needed to get rid of the darker skin to get as much sun rays into their bodies for those precious vitamins since they weren't living in a tropical environment any longer(Africa back then was not always a desert). Dark skin acts like a natural sunblock basically.

What's interesting is that central asia people today look exactly like a mix between asian and european. That's because those people in the past either went more east and developed more asian features and the people in the west started developing more caucasian features. I'm no geneticist but it's a pretty interesting field :).

That was kind of a long rant, sorry about that but I was getting to the point that I don't think sexuality and skin color are great analogies, you could use better :P, but I know what you are getting at.

Oh another interesting tidbit, our species has spent 3/4 of our lifetime in Africa, we started venturing out pretty recently.
 
CrunchMilk is right, we shouldnt judge him just because of his homosexualities. I think he is dead on when he says that his thoughts about relations with other men make him gay. The second you have the thought of this you are most certainly automatically gay, and i dont think its fair for us to even judge him even if he is still in the closet.
 
Okay, here's how it went for me:

I'm bisexual. I've always been bisexual. I only completely realized this for the first time when I took MDMA for the first time. I could look back into my past at that point and pinpoint homosexual feelings that I'd had early on, and finally see them for what they were and completely accept them. At the time I originally felt those feelings, I had just shrugged them off as products of a healthy and mildly overzealous imagination.

MDMA allows you to peer into your subconscious and see what existed all along, perhaps hidden from introspection due to some level of repression, kind of like peering through a window into your own soul. This is why Dr. Alexander Shulgin's original idea for a colloquial nickname for MDMA was, in fact, Window.

It is possible for people who self-identify as "straight" to have homosexual experiences on MDMA, while still being "straight" while sober. MDMA can open up your thought processes to novel and new experiences that your inhibitions and natural sexual desires keep you from wanting when you are baseline. Sometimes these homosexual desires on MDMA are because, while sober, you have repressed these hidden feelings and MDMA is simply allowing them to flourish, which is what happened to me.

Sometimes, it's simply a product of inhibition-less ecstasy; you feel such a heavy, thunderous amount of love for everyone and all things, comparitively little minutiae like your sexual orientation can't hope to stand in the way of your need to fulfill this love. Once sober again, that person usually no longer feels these feelings, and is, in fact, "straight." There's nothing wrong with feeling this way on MDMA. You can still be straight and have homosexual experiences, especially on MDMA. Consider it experimentation, really.
 
You are from the human race :D. Everything skin deep are little alterations through evolution that humans had needed to help them adapt to their environment. Like light skinned individuals lost their darker coloring because when they moved out of Africa towards central asia they needed to get rid of the darker skin to get as much sun rays into their bodies for those precious vitamins since they weren't living in a tropical environment any longer(Africa back then was not always a desert). Dark skin acts like a natural sunblock basically.

What's interesting is that central asia people today look exactly like a mix between asian and european. That's because those people in the past either went more east and developed more asian features and the people in the west started developing more caucasian features. I'm no geneticist but it's a pretty interesting field :).

That was kind of a long rant, sorry about that but I was getting to the point that I don't think sexuality and skin color are great analogies, you could use better :P, but I know what you are getting at.

Oh another interesting tidbit, our species has spent 3/4 of our lifetime in Africa, we started venturing out pretty recently.
Very interesting stuff.

Another interesting fact? Literally every single human population on the planet that is isolated from sexually transmitted disease (i.e. native islanders) has a near 100% prevalence of homosexual behavior among the men, and 60-80% among women.

That is to say, basically, that everyone is fucking everyone. The men are having sex with the women AND the other men, and the women with the women, too.

The theory behind why this happens is that sexual orientation is genetically based, and that those with genes that predispose them towards homosexual behavior (not pure homosexuality, but simply as an ADDITION to heterosexual behavior) are more likely to have more partners, more experience, and to do so at an earlier age, therefore becoming better lovers and be more reproductively prolific (have more kids). As a result, the "gay behavior" genes will "push out" the "straight only" behavior genes because those who are 100% straight don't have as many kids. The result of this interesting phenomenon is populations like native islanders who all just have sex with everyone.

However, when STD's are introduced into the picture, those with the pro-homosexual behavior gene are also more likely to acquire an STD and die earlier or become sterile, eliminating their reproductive advantage and "stabilizing" the "gay gene" at a lower level in the population since it is neither advantageous nor disadvantageous reproductively.

This is, of course, a gross oversimplification, and the presumption of those involved in promoting this theory is that numerous genes are involved, creating a "spectrum" of totally heterosexual to totally homosexual behavior, hence why some are totally heterosexual and some are totally homosexual.

Even MORE interesting, it's theorized that those who are straight reject and shun homosexual behavior because of the unconscious, genetic understanding that those who engage in homosexual behavior are a grave threat to their reproductive success and have a high chance of stealing their women (or men) as well as spreading disease, while this isn't the case in indigenous populations where everyone, is well, doing everyone, so there's no threat.

So, if we can knock out STDs, in a few thousand years, dudes will be plowing one another in the ass before going home to their wives who were scissoring the shit out of their best friends only hours before.

Enjoy that visual, folks! 8o
 
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