tryptamines and visual inspiration

[soulfuzz]

Hi everyone

I was wondering if some experienced travelers could give some insight to a purely visual comparison on certain compounds. I have recently been interested in psychedelics and using the visual aspects of the experience as inspiration for my artistic practice. I have experience with mushrooms and dmt and have found them quite useful in my visionary explorations as well as spiritual growth.

I am always blown away by dmt visions but they are very elusive and resist reinterpretation for me. Mushrooms are interesting in many ways too but the body load is quite distracting.

I have recently read many reports on many substances in the 4-aco 4-ho realms. I was wondering if anyone had some insight into which of these compounds they thought had the strongest visuals with the least amount of distracting factors such as body load. It would also be desirable to avoid a trip that trails into deep emotional thoughts that would distract someone from gathering purely visual stimulation. Hypothetically, which tryptamine could come closest to an extremely clean visual experience? 4-ho-mipt? 4-aco-dmt?

 

[golden1]

4-aco-met strongest visuals by far out of
2c-e, 2c-i, 2c-b, 4-aco-dmt(except on a really high dose but I'm sure 4-aco-met would have been even more visual), lsd and dpt have comparable visuals for sure, but still aswell you need a higher dose with more mind fuck than 4-aco-met to achieve them and 4-aco-met's are very stylistic and seem very artistically orientated.. kind of like a running oil painting with random photoshop effects that get rather strong and an aztec/ancient symbol/diagram theme

 

[StonedNative]

2c-x's aren't tryptamines dude. They're phenethylamines. LSD is an Ergoline.

 

[PROZ4C]

I love doing art, and once i started doing psychedlics I had always wanted to psychedelic art.

For me, getting down with it while tripping never worked because I am always too easily distracted and once the trip kicks in I always find things I change my mind and would rather be doing.

After getting a ton of trips under my belt I just kind of live in a psychedelic mindset all the time now and my art reflects it.

 

[Visitor Q]

2c-x's aren't tryptamines dude. They're phenethylamines. LSD is an Ergoline.

True Dat.

Soulfuzz, are you not inclined to experiment outside the barriers of tryptamines?

Tryptamines are very visual and mind shattering but IME they are very involving and incapacitating at high doses (which tend to give the best visual results). I have found that certain phenethylamines such as 2C-B pack quite a punch visually but are not as much of a mindfuck. They don't seem to alter cognition as much.

Some will disagree though, saying that 2C's carry a huge body-load. I beg to differ when I compare it to shrooms which always kick my ass in a way where I'm not functional and generally chaotic and buzzing EPIC.

I have yet to try tech-mush (4-AcO-DMT)...

Hope this helps.

 

[soulfuzz]

Thanks for the feedback golden

Very interesting information. Do you think there is a big difference between 4-aco-met and 4-ho-met? and how do these compare to 4-aco and ho-mipt? From what I have been reading the reports sound quite similar from all 4 of these substances.

 

[soulfuzz]

Thanks Visitor

The reason I have been avoiding phenethylamines is that I have heard that they can be slightly speedy on the body. I am extremely sensetive to things like caffeine and even pot wont let me sleep for hours so naturally I have been wary. With that being said, your information is quite interesting and perhaps maybe I should broaden my scope a bit. Are there particular 2c-x's that you would recomend? thanks again.

 

[Visitor Q]

Thanks Visitor

The reason I have been avoiding phenethylamines is that I have heard that they can be slightly speedy on the body. I am extremely sensetive to things like caffeine and even pot wont let me sleep for hours so naturally I have been wary. With that being said, your information is quite interesting and perhaps maybe I should broaden my scope a bit. Are there particular 2c-x's that you would recomend? thanks again.

Yes it is true that certain phenethylamines have stimulant properties; MDMA is notorious for that but it is a phenethylamine-amphetamine (along with MDA and a few others). Some non-amphetamine phenethylamines have also been reported to have a strong stimulant side such as 2C-I.

What I can tell you is that I have not observed any notable/significant stimulant effect from 2C-B (save the initial pre-buzz jitters). I can also testify to the fact that LSD almost systematically prevents me from sleeping a good couple hours after the effects have worn off whereas with 2C-B, one hour later and I'm sleeping like a baby...

One thing you could do is test the substance by taking a threshold dose (around 10mg with 2C-B) and examine if you find any unpleasant stimulation. If all feels dandy then test a regular dose (18-20mg). Another cool thing about 2C-B is that it lasts four hours and has a mellow comedown which is easier to manage if you find yourself in a difficult experience than LSD's whopping 12 hours (up to 14 for me). But honestly, I cannot see how someone could have a difficult experience on such a friendly and forgiving substance.

Cheers!

 

[Enter Galactic]

2c-c is supposed to be sedating. If you are worried about it being too speedy.