Need Help trying to pack in drinking yet its one of the fewer, easily available, mood boosters. wet brain etc.

[lightblue543]

@Jnowhere Never really needed private insurance although there's private healthcare in the uk, rest is free.

 

[lightblue543]

^ "you sold alan roofies!"

That said I have been looking or used to be looking for a booze replacement, that was safe.
edit: took 5mg of valium, the seller insisted it was safe, not cut or out, i had a one of the same batch few days ago, but after taking this one I am suffering mild anxiety sleepiness, and slight breathing troubles. hope it wasn't cut with anything I doubt it right? man why does this keep happening, im still breathing alright, so im guessing its just anxiety? from a valium?! its been about an hour half since taking it. it was blue

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Never heard of it mate

1.4 butanediol. It converts to GHB in your body and it is required as a precursor for so many things they really CANT get rid of it. I wish I was in a country I could just buy gallons and offload em at US blackmarket prices semi-legally.

 

[Jnowhere]

^ "you sold alan roofies!"

That said I have been looking or used to be looking for a booze replacement, that was safe.
edit: took 5mg of valium, the seller insisted it was safe, not cut or out, i had a one of the same batch few days ago, but after taking this one I am suffering mild anxiety sleepiness, and slight breathing troubles. hope it wasn't cut with anything I doubt it right? man why does this keep happening, im still breathing alright, so im guessing its just anxiety? from a valium?! its been about an hour half since taking it. it was blue

Oh shit, I hope it is not one of the blues used over here that are fentanyl

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

may I ask the audience what 'wet brain' means. A friend of mine kept getting referred to as that before he passed; I guess is it a slang name for a real condition or a derogatory term is my question?

 

[lightblue543]

may I ask the audience what 'wet brain' means. A friend of mine kept getting referred to as that before he passed; I guess is it a slang name for a real condition or a derogatory term is my question?

Wernicks-korsakoff syndrome/Wernicke's encephalopathy. Slang. It's caused by a deficiency in thiamine other b vitamins, I think I had suffered from this personally to a very mild degree couple years back, sorry to hear about your mate.
there was a video of a fella who had it, memory shot but he was still pretty good at math can't find it though. Only thing I relate to is mild amnesia/loss of imagination/poor sense of smell, probably not really that for me though, at least not that bad wonder what other brain condition it could be.

 

[lightblue543]

Oh shit, I hope it is not one of the blues used over here that are fentanyl

That was my other concern, well I feel sorta calm and im breathing fine againn, eh, i had two in a bag and two xanax, both times used xanax I was alreet, used a valium few days earlier and was fine and this one looks identical to the other. total this week, 4mg xanax and 20mg diazepam, think ill be good. i rarely use them its usually jusst to scratch an itch. probably just rebound anxiety ??


update: been 3 hours im a bit breathless but if it gets worse i know where to go but only if i really really need

 

[thatmf]

That was my other concern, well I feel sorta calm and im breathing fine againn, eh, i had two in a bag and two xanax, both times used xanax I was alreet, used a valium few days earlier and was fine and this one looks identical to the other. total this week, 4mg xanax and 20mg diazepam, think ill be good. i rarely use them its usually jusst to scratch an itch. probably just rebound anxiety ??


update: been 3 hours im a bit breathless but if it gets worse i know where to go but only if i really really need

Just don't push your limits too much. I'd still see a doc if you have one you can trust etc. They might be able to help.

 

[lightblue543]

Just don't push your limits too much. I'd still see a doc if you have one you can trust etc. They might be able to help.

won't do mate, I may consider it I keep putting it off cos of the stigma and that my argument could be that these drugs are therapeutic and helpful for substance use, they are right there made for just that, what should i be denied it unless there's a good reason?

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Thanks man, he was a good dude. Did nothing to alter his path however..

 

[lightblue543]

Hello all. Well, knowing the dangers of benzo use for more than a few days, I've been avoiding using again, used to have a bit of an etiz problem. Short use low dose isnt much of a use to wean off. Ahh fine balance. Last night I had one valium left, as stated, only used (less than) a few pills in a few days, so well I took the 5mg, for around 8 hours I was, uh, a bit breathless but Im presuming it was just rebound anxiety. Last night, about 6-7 hours after the valium, well, my cravings for drink decreased, but I went out and had a few with a mate, yet also I felt this was the cutoff point, as someone who was once traumitized by benzo use, I don't wanna go back there.

It's that point in the use game although it's basically just historical. The depression still comes and goes, idk if its dysorphin.

Today I don't really feel anxious, but I do a bit breathless, that valium made me very worried due to breathing problems despite obviously being anti-anxiety, and a bit of derealization.

It's morning now, had a smoke, and a coffee, I usually have a few smokes in a day. Might see a doc, I have before, many times, but Im ok, to get rid of drinking cravings.

Its not cold turkey, but im probably going to try to stay off it, I need to save cash anyway :S If I am really un shit creek my other option is buying one or two small benzos, after minimizing drink, so if I really need to use another to 'taper' I can at tiny doses, although at this low use I don't think ill need to.

Yes really my friends my extensive history, I think, although mostly weed alcohol and tabs, is really at that point, talk about frying ya brain and the nerve bundles themselves. I am not really anhedonic anymore which is to say I can 'feel' alcohol and coffee but yes it really is that point in the game, possibly due to historical withdrawal on gaba and mu receptors, and other opiate receptors, where I can hardly even use anything without risk of respiratory depression.

@smokeymcpot42088 who are you referring to

 

[Jabberwocky]

alcohol withdrawal can cause breathlessness, physical weakness, etc. Happens to me every time.

It really messes up your metabolism. Your mitochondria cells start breaking down ethanol instead of sugar for energy production. When you quit, your body kinda freaks out because it doesn't have its main energy source now. You can help offset this by eating a lot of sugar. I never eat candy, I generally dislike sugary things, except when I'm in withdrawal. I eat a shit load of candy and soda. It helps.

 

[thatmf]

alcohol withdrawal can cause breathlessness, physical weakness, etc. Happens to me every time.

It really messes up your metabolism. Your mitochondria cells start breaking down ethanol instead of sugar for energy production. When you quit, your body kinda freaks out because it doesn't have its main energy source now. You can help offset this by eating a lot of sugar. I never eat candy, I generally dislike sugary things, except when I'm in withdrawal. I eat a shit load of candy and soda. It helps.

I have heard about sugar and alcohol withdrawals but never knew that!

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Lightblue -- A friend of mine who passed from organ failure due to unabated alcohol abuse. Couldn't convince him there were safer things or mainly to just stop.

Yea excessive alcohol = diabetes. Short term a short boost in blood sugar if truly truly needed *probably not the best way to get one*; but it works.

*Edit* I do think alcohol is the most harmful drug. In of itself. Neurotoxin, just hell on the body. Cig's are similar. I suspect they are legal BECAUSE they kill you.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Alcohol is toxic to literally every organ in the body. It's also cytotoxic. It's also a class 1b carcinogenic.

They use it as hand sanitizer for a reason. It does the same things to your body.

Fun fact, a lot of ethanol gets metabolized by your respiratory system. This is why you can breathalyze someone and get an accurate level of their intoxication.

This contributes to the breathlessness, combined with myocarditis, high blood pressure, and general metabolic dysfunction.

 

[lightblue543]

Well shit now I am getting a rebound from the benzos I felt very ill earlier, been about two days since last 5mg got like 1mg left. I am a bit calmer now surely this wont last more than a few days right? Gosh, ya take one thing to help with the other, and now Im in a bit of a pickle.

@snafu wow!

Ah look honestly I am not in alcohol withdrawl/gaba really but I think I can get off that easily now its the benzos geex. few days usage shouldn't be a worry right?

I just dont know how to be open with my doctor although they know i used to smoke weed and are sorta chill whenever ive asked before a single benzo they look at you like, yeah, there was a one i was given once for sleeping forget the name.

 

[thatmf]

Well shit now I am getting a rebound from the benzos I felt very ill earlier, been about two days since last 5mg got like 1mg left. I am a bit calmer now surely this wont last more than a few days right? Gosh, ya take one thing to help with the other, and now Im in a bit of a pickle.

@snafu wow!

Ah look honestly I am not in alcohol withdrawl/gaba really but I think I can get off that easily now its the benzos geex. few days usage shouldn't be a worry right?

I just dont know how to be open with my doctor although they know i used to smoke weed and are sorta chill whenever ive asked before a single benzo they look at you like, yeah, there was a one i was given once for sleeping forget the name.

temazepam?

 

[Jabberwocky]

In detox they give you 5 days worth of benzos, and barbiturates. Rebound won't be significant. A lot of it will be in your head. Psychological rebound is intense for me, just need to use mental tricks to calm down and truly assess your anxiety.

 

[lightblue543]

Well now I am getting sweating, sinus bra, mild anxiey, vision issues etc. my hands are still bp is threshold, should i bail to a and e? In two days I'll have two bars but folk say don't do that unless you super need it.
the game has changed im gonna call my gp in the morning, ask them for advice or if they can give me a few pills to get off, ive read about and seen the horrors of benzo use especially with kindling and prior alcohol use etc. through gaba, responsible for breathing and normal transmitter functions and anxiety, the anxiety being the predisposing factor for me personally to gauge the severity, i feel a bit derlious now, the anxiety is normal ish but barely.

edit: i feel rough today, my anxiety is normalish, but its like my transmitter functions (?) are just returning to normal, pretty sure my practice has my number i told them it yet i still hear nought back

 

[thatmf]

Well now I am getting sweating, sinus bra, mild anxiey, vision issues etc. my hands are still bp is threshold, should i bail to a and e? In two days I'll have two bars but folk say don't do that unless you super need it.
the game has changed im gonna call my gp in the morning, ask them for advice or if they can give me a few pills to get off, ive read about and seen the horrors of benzo use especially with kindling and prior alcohol use etc. through gaba, responsible for breathing and normal transmitter functions and anxiety, the anxiety being the predisposing factor for me personally to gauge the severity, i feel a bit derlious now, the anxiety is normal ish but barely.

Yeah see your doc but if you feel like you need to go to A+E. Sorry you've gone a bit downhill. I'd just go straight to A+E tbh. Yeah benzos are a double edged sword. Better to be safe than sorry.