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Need Help trying to pack in drinking yet its one of the fewer, easily available, mood boosters. wet brain etc.

lightblue543

lightblue543

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Followed by waking up depressed and wanting to... . Been tearful lately, my care team said humankind (UK) does stuff on addiction and dependence, its just im either too proud or its not "bad" enough to go in my mind. Sure many here and elsewhere have gone through periods of depression but this feels like something else, especially with the drink and guess what I don't even drink that much!

Its making me think I have WKS yet my only 'proof' is the sentation of my brain having shrunk slightly, well you know what I mean like when you see scans/pet scans of the brain of alcohlics and coke users and a few other ones, there is less activity in the parts of the brain responsbile for pleasure if I got that right, same as a depressed brain. If I actually asked for a scan meself do you think they'd comply? It would cost them a lot.

got/get little support other than offered an antidepressent (which I am considering, but wouldn't know which one that doesnt give me ed or anorgasmia or what ever else which is the opposite of what i am trying to achieve), and overheard someone say take thiamine, plus some pats on the back about cutting it back. Other times it's the same old lecture about how out uk health services don't like it a lot if you use but whats it to them aye, and im probably just getting sick of hearing it now, if you are uk youll know what i mean. I get the standard blood test but nothing for deficiencies, wasn't like this years ago, if anything i am either clamming for a drink like wine coolers, weed, or just a serotonin 'release' of some sort if you get me. Avoiding benzos too except very rarely.

It's at that point, and now I am struggling a bit. I got outta the gotta try it all attitude, which was daft, yet my minds curiosity wants to just, well, exactly that. What was once just experimenting, well, I had to dip my foot in the pond, is not just constant drinking. I got some good advice on other forums like stop with the suppluments and consider an AD.

From a health standpoint what should I do? I can't let the depression get worse it literally feels like my brain is hammererd, me lips are often dry/discoloured like youd see if homeless fellows you know like you are burnt out of dopamine or endorphins but clamming for a release.

I get cravings for weed too yet it puts me in a bad headspace with thought loops and anxiety due to, well whatever or hppd. Don't really crave or use narcotics honestly guys at this current point i don't really feel it. Always had a craving for
 
Here they put you on diazepam as an inpatient if you are going through alcohol WD. You can also stay for a good while provided you don't go out and drink. Look I think (and I may be wrong, not my area of expertise), is that behavioural modification is way better than reaching for the bottle. Go for a walk, do some weights, go out on the town or out for dinner, get fake booze etc. Trick your brain into thinking it's the same thing. I know it's a rough ride with booze but any help you can get (and take on) will most probably help. I've known someone who went to AA regularly and they've been off booze for nearly a decade. But yeah, just my 2 cents. Good that you've realized the warning signs etc and that you want to get help. I wouldn't recommend weed really I get thought loops as well. An antidepressant could really help as well, I used to drink a lot more before being on one.
 
I will say also be very careful taking benzos around drinking. If you can see your doc and maybe they can help you through WDs (assuming you have them).
WKS? Nahh I really really doubt it.
 
My friend (who was also a poly user) had a lot of success with mirtazapine. He went from drinking a carton to one or two drinks. But maybe see whichever AD your doc prescribes and how you go on it.
 
lightblue543 said:
Followed by waking up depressed and wanting to... . Been tearful lately, my care team said humankind (UK) does stuff on addiction and dependence, its just im either too proud or its not "bad" enough to go in my mind. Sure many here and elsewhere have gone through periods of depression but this feels like something else, especially with the drink and guess what I don't even drink that much!

Its making me think I have WKS yet my only 'proof' is the sentation of my brain having shrunk slightly, well you know what I mean like when you see scans/pet scans of the brain of alcohlics and coke users and a few other ones, there is less activity in the parts of the brain responsbile for pleasure if I got that right, same as a depressed brain. If I actually asked for a scan meself do you think they'd comply? It would cost them a lot.

got/get little support other than offered an antidepressent (which I am considering, but wouldn't know which one that doesnt give me ed or anorgasmia or what ever else which is the opposite of what i am trying to achieve), and overheard someone say take thiamine, plus some pats on the back about cutting it back. Other times it's the same old lecture about how out uk health services don't like it a lot if you use but whats it to them aye, and im probably just getting sick of hearing it now, if you are uk youll know what i mean. I get the standard blood test but nothing for deficiencies, wasn't like this years ago, if anything i am either clamming for a drink like wine coolers, weed, or just a serotonin 'release' of some sort if you get me. Avoiding benzos too except very rarely.

It's at that point, and now I am struggling a bit. I got outta the gotta try it all attitude, which was daft, yet my minds curiosity wants to just, well, exactly that. What was once just experimenting, well, I had to dip my foot in the pond, is not just constant drinking. I got some good advice on other forums like stop with the suppluments and consider an AD.

From a health standpoint what should I do? I can't let the depression get worse it literally feels like my brain is hammererd, me lips are often dry/discoloured like youd see if homeless fellows you know like you are burnt out of dopamine or endorphins but clamming for a release.

I get cravings for weed too yet it puts me in a bad headspace with thought loops and anxiety due to, well whatever or hppd. Don't really crave or use narcotics honestly guys at this current point i don't really feel it. Always had a craving for
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You say you don't even drink that much. What kind of amounts and regularity are we talking about? Drinking every day? Binge drinking huge amounts on weekends? Overall duration of use?

As mentioned above, Ativan and Valium are going to be what the docs script you to prevent severe WD symptoms and seizure/death (especially if you're an alcoholic).
 
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You say you don't even drink that much. What kind of amounts and regularity are we talking about? Drinking every day? Binge drinking huge amounts on weekends? Overall duration of use?

As mentioned above, Ativan and Valium are going to be what the docs script you to prevent severe WD symptoms and seizure/death (especially if you're an alcoholic).
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bottle of wine average, or few cans amount 10 units a day, but used to be more... binge drinking yes. also i thought mirta caused pssd first only time I tried it I felt this weird sensation in my pelvis and a 'sting' (like a warning intuitive signal from my body) that continuing would be sexual dysfunction. had a look online and others on some other site i think rxrisk were all like "they know exactly what they're doing and they're getting away with it" followed by the odd conspiracy that it was to make the current population sexually defunct (?).

didn't even know they gave out valium in the uk unless you were inpatient or had suffered an od on stims.
 
lightblue543 said:
bottle of wine average, or few cans amount 10 units a day, but used to be more... binge drinking yes. also i thought mirta caused pssd first only time I tried it I felt this weird sensation in my pelvis and a 'sting' (like a warning intuitive signal from my body) that continuing would be sexual dysfunction. had a look online and others on some other site i think rxrisk were all like "they know exactly what they're doing and they're getting away with it" followed by the odd conspiracy that it was to make the current population sexually defunct (?).

didn't even know they gave out valium in the uk unless you were inpatient or had suffered an od on stims.
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It sounds like you're alcohol dependent, especially if you've been drinking 10+ units a day for a prolonged period of time. With that said, if you're honest with your doctor, they should give you comfort meds etc and mitigate potential DTs/seizures. It may be an inpatient or outpatient thing depending on severity.

I don't know what you are on about regarding mirta or pssd.

I definitely wouldn't stop cold turkey, I'd consult a doc and go from there.
 
BK38 said:
It sounds like you're alcohol dependent, especially if you've been drinking 10+ units a day for a prolonged period of time. With that said, if you're honest with your doctor, they should give you comfort meds etc and mitigate potential DTs/seizures. It may be an inpatient or outpatient thing depending on severity.

I don't know what you are on about regarding mirta or pssd.

I definitely wouldn't stop cold turkey, I'd consult a doc and go from there.
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@lightblue543 I took mirtazapine for a good long while and had no PSSD.

And agreed, see your doc. Cold turkey isn't a good idea.
 
Trazodone, I am on a low dose 1 a day to sleep, but higher doses more than one a day, not an ssri, have you tried it?
 
lightblue543 said:
Its making me think I have WKS yet my only 'proof' is the sentation of my brain having shrunk slightly
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I've seen WKS, it's not pretty. It would be obvious. It makes you act very delusional and weird. It's relatively easy to treat, just take thiamin (b3?). You should be taking B-complex vitamins anyways. It helps.

That said, it's probably wet brain. I know what it's like. I used to be gifted at math, particularly mental calculation, but now I have difficulty with basic addition. Slow, lethargic, depressed, emotional.

Some things that really help me, particularly when quitting:

Agmatine Sulfate - This does wonders. It helps a lot with the withdrawal symptoms, gives you some energy, and also has a modest antidepressant effect by itself. It's my best friend. Take 1-2g per day.

L-glutamine - Helps with some of the withdrawal symptoms, helps your body recovery from the toxic load of alcohol. Take 2-5g per day.

Aerobic exercise - The last thing you probably want to do, but it helps attenuate a lot of the symptoms, particularly depression.

I personally would advise not to take the antidepressant until you are off alcohol for at least a week. It's going to complicate things. But that's just me. Listen to your doctor.
 
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I've seen WKS, it's not pretty. It would be obvious. It makes you act very delusional and weird. It's relatively easy to treat, just take thiamin (b3?). You should be taking B-complex vitamins anyways. It helps.

That said, it's probably wet brain. I know what it's like. I used to be gifted at math, particularly mental calculation, but now I have difficulty with basic addition. Slow, lethargic, depressed, emotional.

Some things that really help me, particularly when quitting:

Agmatine Sulfate - This does wonders. It helps a lot with the withdrawal symptoms, gives you some energy, and also has a modest antidepressant effect by itself. It's my best friend. Take 1-2g per day.

L-glutamine - Helps with some of the withdrawal symptoms, helps your body recovery from the toxic load of alcohol. Take 2-5g per day.

Aerobic exercise - The last thing you probably want to do, but it helps attenuate a lot of the symptoms, particularly depression.

I personally would advise not to take the antidepressant until you are off alcohol for at least a week. It's going to complicate things. But that's just me. Listen to your doctor..
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We disagree on a lot, but your a very smart guy. I have become noticeably less intelligent from over 2 decades of heavy alcohol abuse then many years of benzos and opiods( prescribed) basically beating my brain up my whole adult life. Do you think that it can really be reversed. You'll have to trust me; I am not the dumbass people may think I am.
 
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences, I was looking into ADs but yeah, I'd wanna stay off drink probably for at least 36 hours you can wean off alcohol with more alcohol if it's just mild wds, I have done this successfully using the HAMS taper guide, well I know the symptoms of moderate wds or DTs and, I am not close to that.

Do you's think I'll be alright to take 5mg of valium, only that, for anxiety and/or minor wd symptoms. Think that'll be safe? I am extremely stetch about benzos or opiates due to, risk of, respiratory depression, panic, seizures etc. at worst, but harm reduction always comes first.

Although I used enjoy a bit of morphine or oxy or hydro, kratom, even the odd bar or etilamms, years back when my transmitter system was more 'normal', or'felt' more normal. This is important.
I'd posted before but something broke the camels back, think it was from taking 'bad dxm' w/5htp once, not doing that again back of last year, the toxicity lasted a short amount of time but vaugly lingered for weeks, months, it was weird I got mentally ill but it felt like it 'changed' my brain somehow, although not possible, like my hair on the back of my head was 'changed', idk.

And several etilaams another, perhaps the broscience suppluments that I used to ameliorate the anhedonia I used to have, tried various different aminos, most of which you'd get from food anyway and a couple shotgun approach 'bad ones'. At times I am mentally coherent others I've noticed my writing style isn't, you know, like it used to be. Particularly @Jnowhere the anhedonia subsided when I stopped chainsmoking tabs (yes tabs, not like crack or out, which would probably cause anhedonia anyway due to... reduced intrapsychic singling, my guess, or depletion of transmitters, along with either an increased expression of post synaptic receptors synthesized dopamine and other transmitters can't be 'felt', or decreased so there's no 'room' for the transmitters to fit?). Theres an anhedonia page on FB I am a part of yes and I posted my experiences with suppluments and many did nothing yet time did, seen many others and they got worse after using them so...

psychonautwiki.org

Diazepam

Diazepam (also known as Valium) is a depressant substance of the benzodiazepine class. Its mechanism of action is to increase the effects of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA.
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I do like the The English people, but like America it's health care system has different issues than ours. Can you afford private health insurance and private doctors. Also 5mg of Valium isn't real strong, so if you took 2 or 3 aday from a little while it's not strong and would not be an issue if taken for a month or two, probably no or not much of an issue.
However long term there are other drugs that could help.
 
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Have you considered BDO? It is easily acquired and seems to mimic alcohol almost directly.

I suspect it isn't great for you either. By the way on the BDO subject; how bad is 1.4 on the liver? Also wondering about "forever chemicals" as it seems to fall near that area. (im not a chemist I don't REALLY know) but I/we should. (and im too lazy to google *not true I will)
 
But I heard private insurance, you need permission and have to wait for approval, and cost issues, can you afford it?
 
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