Heroin Trying to kick heroin (or atleast cut back, or take a break)

[headlie]

Hi all,

I'm in need of some advive on kicking my heroin habbit. Or at the very least, cut back or take a break. I lack a lot of resources to help me quit.

I know if I had access to suboxone, I could quit very easily. I did it once before from suboxone, and quit for 6 weeks. No longer had wds, but got bored one night and decided to get high. And I've been back to my addiction ever since.

unfourtantley, I no longer have a suboxone hook-up. What I do have is a Valium and Methadone 10mg pills source. Does anyone have any good ideas on how I could benefit from the mdone pills, to help quit or taper off?

I don't have the slightess clue to what the recommended dosage of methadone would be for me. I want to know how much I should take to make me NOT feel sick. I don't want to get high off of the methadone, I just don't want to feel sick, and just feel normal.

To give you an idea of how much heroin I'm doing now is...Around here, the heroin I get come in "buttons". They are raw dope, cut with some kind of sleep aid, like dormin.

I have been doing thesse for over 3 years. I was snorting between 2-4 buttons a day, until about 6 months ago, I started shooting "IV" anywhere between 1-5 buttons a day (depending on how much I can afford that day)

I rareley go a full 24 hours without doing atleast 1. Otherwise I am too sick to get out of bed.

So any advive on how I can use these valium and methadones to my benefit? Or just any good advice on getting clean?

I have no mdeical insurance and I'm unemployed. So rehab and doctors are not really an option for me.

Any advice would be gratefully appreciated.

 

[SkagKush]

150 to 200ml would be prime for a fast taper with meth...

valium will be helpfull for RLS and sleep.... i clinic would give you ten to thirty mg a day for about five days....

 

[headlie]

150 to 200ml would be prime for a fast taper with meth...

valium will be helpfull for RLS and sleep.... i clinic would give you ten to thirty mg a day for about five days....

150ml? Do you mean 150mg? I'm getting the 10mg pills from a friend. So would that be 150mg a day? Is the 150mg in a single dose? Or 150mg through out the day?

How about the clinic? How much do you think that would cost me? I don't have a lot of money to pay for treatment. I'll have to check where any clinics would be in this area. I live in she St. Louis area.

 

[ATLien88]

150ml? Do you mean 150mg? I'm getting the 10mg pills from a friend. So would that be 150mg a day? Is the 150mg in a single dose? Or 150mg through out the day?

How about the clinic? How much do you think that would cost me? I don't have a lot of money to pay for treatment. I'll have to check where any clinics would be in this area. I live in she St. Louis area.

If you can afford a real heroin habit, you can afford to go to the clinic. I think it's $100-200 to get in, and then $10-15 per dose. It adds up, but not nearly as much as you'd spend copping.

 

[punchednthenose]

If you can afford a real heroin habit, you can afford to go to the clinic. I think it's $100-200 to get in, and then $10-15 per dose. It adds up, but not nearly as much as you'd spend copping.

i agree with this guy. but honestly.

don't even think about taking 150 MG of methadone without assessing your tolerance first my good friend.

 

[SkagKush]

no i meant ml, and no def not 150ml in one dose....

 

[headlie]

If you can afford a real heroin habit, you can afford to go to the clinic. I think it's $100-200 to get in, and then $10-15 per dose. It adds up, but not nearly as much as you'd spend copping.

ATLien88,

I know it sounds sensible that I could afford methadone treatment if I can afford to get high on heroin everyday. But my problem is that I'm currently unemployed. I do little side jobs here & there under the table for cash. I usually manage to make $30-$50 a day (sometimes I have to be sick for a day because I couldn't get any money that day). Then I spend whatever cash I made that day on dope.

I'm sure I sound lazy and weak because I can't find a job, or manage to save my money for a few days instead of buying dope. That way I could afford treatment....but I can't.

And my heroin addiction is part of the reason I can't find a job.

That's why I acquired these 10mg methadone pills, and 10mg valiums. I'm trying to save up, and put together a nice little pill stash to try and help keep me off dope for atleast a week, so I can afford to get treatment.

I want to get clean, I really do. But It just doesn't seem realistic and possible to me sometimes.

So, what I was really hoping to get feedback on, was to how I could use the methadone & valium to help keep me off dope for a while so I can afford to get help.

Heroin has definitely ruined my life.

no i meant ml, and no def not 150ml in one dose....

SkagKush,

How much is 150ml in mg? And if not in a singe dose, then how many dosings in a day? Would that be like 50ml, 3 x a day?


Thanks to everyone that has commented.

 

[adubwakka]

ATLien88,

I know it sounds sensible that I could afford methadone treatment if I can afford to get high on heroin everyday. But my problem is that I'm currently unemployed. I do little side jobs here & there under the table for cash. I usually manage to make $30-$50 a day (sometimes I have to be sick for a day because I couldn't get any money that day). Then I spend whatever cash I made that day on dope.

I'm sure I sound lazy and weak because I can't find a job, or manage to save my money for a few days instead of buying dope. That way I could afford treatment....but I can't.

And my heroin addiction is part of the reason I can't find a job.

That's why I acquired these 10mg methadone pills, and 10mg valiums. I'm trying to save up, and put together a nice little pill stash to try and help keep me off dope for atleast a week, so I can afford to get treatment.

I want to get clean, I really do. But It just doesn't seem realistic and possible to me sometimes.

So, what I was really hoping to get feedback on, was to how I could use the methadone & valium to help keep me off dope for a while so I can afford to get help.

Heroin has definitely ruined my life.



SkagKush,

How much is 150ml in mg? And if not in a singe dose, then how many dosings in a day? Would that be like 50ml, 3 x a day?


Thanks to everyone that has commented.

I didn't have time to read this entire thread. But I honestly believe that if you are really tryign to get clean, you should look into suboxone. I think its the best route for you because in the long run sub treatment is cheaper than methadone treatment because you can go a long way with 1 8mg suboxone. You should look into getting some suboxone coupons(i think you can get them online).

I dont have much personal experience with methadone, but it seems the general consensus is that Subs are much easier to get off of than methadone..... i could be wrong though.


Keep your head up bud, ill be rooting for ya.

edit: just read that you dont have a sub hookup which is fine, you should consider scrounching money up to go to some kind of treatment place that can write you a suboxone script... should be much cheaper than buying it off of the streets.

 

[SkagKush]

50 ml
40
30
20
10 ml

 

[frogman84]

Man, this might be crazy talk, but do you ever use lopermide hcl to get by?

I can be withdrawing from about 150-200mg morphine a day habit, and if i can't get a supply, about 50mg of lopermide completely takes away my withdrawals for about half a day. I can dose 50mg lopermide hcl at morning and at 40mg night and completely go a day without and feel no withdrawal.

I even have regular shits on the stuff - like two times a day and no dramas in the solid stool department... easy goings... ha ha.

I have been using it basically like over the counter suboxone but the nice thing is you can get high when you have enough to get high.

Lopermide can be bought in bulk cheap as online here in Australia.

Before i knew about lopermide,(disclaimer: although i still don't know if it is ok to take in such large doses, so this is just my experience), i would miss days of work if i didn't have any morphine because i would be sick and not fit to work...

Now, i can hold down a really good full time job which has at least stabilized me a bit.

 

[SkagKush]

any day of the week methadone will be more effective and far less painless then using lope....

pertaining to what i said earlier... my taper plan... you are supposed to drop down every day, the same amount, every time..... ex.....50....40....30

so you could totally customize your plan to end on 5ml the last day, or even the last two days.

 

[Proggy]

how to use methadone

Hi all,



What I do have is a Valium and Methadone 10mg pills source. Does anyone have any good ideas on how I could benefit from the mdone pills, to help quit or taper off?

I don't have the slightess clue to what the recommended dosage of methadone would be for me. I want to know how much I should take to make me NOT feel sick. I don't want to get high off of the methadone, I just don't want to feel sick, and just feel normal.

To give you an idea of how much heroin I'm doing now is...Around here, the heroin I get come in "buttons". They are raw dope, cut with some kind of sleep aid, like dormin.

I have been doing thesse for over 3 years. I was snorting between 2-4 buttons a day, until about 6 months ago, I started shooting "IV" anywhere between 1-5 buttons a day (depending on how much I can afford that day)

Hi Headlie.

Ive got some exper. with heroin, and alot of exper. with Methadone. And ALOT of exper with oxy

Yes, methadone will help you get off heroin, but DONT just take 150mg. For someone who isnt opiod tolerant, that would be fatal. No doubt you are opiod tolerant, the question is, how tolerant. You want to try 30mg at first. I know it doesnt sound like much, but trust me, its alot easier to take a second dose than to un-take the first one. And even if you arent opiod tolerant 30mg wont kill you.

Dont take Valium with Methadone, that COULD kill you. Youre trying to get clean, not high.

This is important: Methadone takes from 1 to 3 hours to reach full effect. (dont inject it...it isnt safe and doesnt work any faster) Thats from personal experience. The liquid might work faster, but you said you could get 10mg tabs right? Once you start feeling the methadone, give it another 40 mins. for full effect. If 3 hours goes by and 30mgs wasnt enough, take another 30 mg. But I wouldnt recommend taking more than that, because I dont know your tolerance. Some people on maintenance programs take 100 even up to 200 mgs a day, but under a Docs supervision. And because methadone lasts so damn long, if 60 mgs is enough the first day, 50 mgs will be enough every day after (because there is still methadone left in your system from the previous day). And again, its easier to take a second dose than to give back the first one. It works best to take your methadone dose first thing in the morning, so try to already have tomorrows dose before you go to bed...so you dont have to chase first thing in the morning

The suboxone clinic I go to, Medicaid pays for it 100%. Even the script. It took my wife about 3 weeks to get my family on the medicaid program, and took another 3 weeks for me to get into the suboxone program, but Im clean now for 8 days. The suboxone works fantastic. Im not just white knuckling either, I havent even had any cravings.

Maybe you could just take the methadone until you get into a suboxone program. Thats what Id recommend. Only because Im guessing you have to buy the methadone from your friend. For some people, methadone works better, for others suboxone works better. Im lucky medicaid pays for my suboxone, because I dont think methadone would work well for me...I like the methadone high too much.

As far as loperamide goes, dont waste your money. I tried it when I was in full w/d and it maybe helped with the diarrhea a little bit, but thats it. Better off spending the money on methadone.

Headlie, I wish you good luck my friend. Its not easy, but it CAN be done. Keep coming back here, and read your thread, and post to let us know whats going on. And, you prolly dont wanna hear it, but you should check out some meetings. Nothing helps a quitting addict like a recovering addict. Remember, there are NO requirements except a desire to clean up.

 

[Proggy]

Headlie, something else..

I know it sounds sensible that I could afford methadone treatment if I can afford to get high on heroin everyday. But my problem is that I'm currently unemployed. I do little side jobs here & there under the table for cash. I usually manage to make $30-$50 a day (sometimes I have to be sick for a day because I couldn't get any money that day). Then I spend whatever cash I made that day on dope.
I'm sure I sound lazy and weak because I can't find a job, or manage to save my money for a few days instead of buying dope. That way I could afford treatment....but I can't.
And my heroin addiction is part of the reason I can't find a job.
I want to get clean, I really do. But It just doesn't seem realistic and possible to me sometimes.

I think i know how you were feeling when you wrote this post. I was feeling exactly the same way just a couple weeks ago. I felt like a piece of shit, worthless and unable to work, like a burden on my wife and kids, like they'd be better off without me.

Thats just the addiction talking though bro. It WANTS you(me) to feel bad. cuz if you(I) feel bad, you(I)'ll get high. It doesnt want us to stop the cycle.

Well, let me tell you, Ive been clean for 8 days, and they just might be the 8 best days of my life. Ive been looking for work, I worked tuesday, and have work lined up for the next week.

It IS realistic and possible Headlie.

Good luck bro

 

[Proggy]

any day of the week methadone will be more effective and far less painless then using lope....

pertaining to what i said earlier... my taper plan... you are supposed to drop down every day, the same amount, every time..... ex.....50....40....30

so you could totally customize your plan to end on 5ml the last day, or even the last two days.

Skag

Have you had success with the taper you talked about? if so, from what dose?

The methadone clinics where I live wont taper you that fast.....they drop you 1 or 2 mgs a week...so from 100mgs, youre looking at 50 weeks. they might go faster if you talked them into it i suppose.

 

[Proggy]

Save $75 a month on subs

they sent me this from suboxone.com I used it on my first script. its good for up to $75 a month on out of pocket expenses. like if you dont have insurance, or if you have a copay

http://www.suboxone.com/patients/her....aspx?cid=ebpf

 

[SkagKush]

this is a street taper

taked about here on BL

and in van city, im on subs, many friends have done this, also i have had the chance....

 

[Znegative]

just start off by taking one 10 mg pill and a valium, and see how well that holds you, and then adjust accordingly. Then I'd go down by 10 mg every other day once you start to feel stable. You're still going to feel the withdrawal because of the methadone too, but it will be a smoother process because of the long half life, and the valium will be great to help you sleep, and calm you down.

 

[Proggy]

Skag

by calling it a "street taper" im guessing you've done this a few times. In one of your posts you said you meant "mls" not "mgs", so i guess what Im asking is how many milligrams does that equal out to? if you drop 10 milliliters a day, how many mgs a day is that?

or, how many Mgs are in a Ml?

Im just trying to get a feel for what youre saying, as I havent done it before. My version of a "street taper" off methadone is like this:

80mgs, 80 mgs, 80 mgs, 80 mgs, 80 mgs, 0 mgs, 0 mgs, some vicodin, 160 mgs oxy, 0 mgs, some vicodin and a few percs, etc..

at least thats how it always works out =( but I was getting methadone for pain, not for opiate treatment

btw did you have better luck w/ meth treatment or subs?

 

[morphonorconic]

Valium and Methadone? Then your all set brother. Acquire a minimal but sufficient quantity of Methadone, and as much Valium as you can, and go for it. Take the least possible amount of Methadone- as in start out with one or two 10mg tabs, then titrate your way up if necessary, until you start to feel "okay." Use the Valium as needed; it will make a world of difference in how you feel. But use it wisely, or rather use it as sparingly as possible. You don't want to trade a Heroin addiction for a Valium/Benzo addiction. Anyone who knows will agree.

Whatever you do, don't say fuck it and start popping Methadones and Valiums in a vain attempt to get high or feel "better." You will not get a good high you are hoping for, you will set yourself back in the context of your taper, and due to the long half-lives of both Methadone and Valium, you will only extend the length of time you spend in taper-limbo. Also, taper down on your Valium usage toward the end so as to minimize the discomfort from coming off of it.

 

[Nikolai]

I am unfamiliar with using heroin and its amounts, but the 10mg methadone hook-up is what I think can be a big help. When you find the right amount methadone can kill withdrawals and basically make you feel normal without shooting up or railing some lines. Recovering from serious addiction I think is a long road, and a slow and steady taper from methadone, probably best over at least 6 months, is a good option.