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Opioids trying to get back to oxy land

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hey everybody. ive been on sub for about 7 months (6mg's a day). just recently this month ive relapsed about 4 times with oxy. the oxy makes my life so much better. im more productive and happy on oxy. the only thing that hurt my life is not having a script so i had to live the addict lifestyle. im going to my sub doctor tomorow and im going to tell him about the relapse. i was wondering if anybody thats been on sub was able to have their doc switch them from sub to a real opiate for any reason??? please comment. the oxy makes my life way better, just the addict lifestyle hurts
 
^How the fuck should you know whether or not it makes his life better? Opiates can greatly improve people's lives, they fuck people's lives up mostly because they're illegal. I really think the OP is a better judge of his own conciousness then you are, especially since your comment is literally 100% unfounded. I personally find suboxone to be far more debilitating and shitty then oxy to be on. He's never said he was in rehab either, he said he's been on subs for 7 months, so I strongly doubt he's in rehab.

Anyway- no, your doctor won't give you a good opiate for such things. Even if they wanted to I don't think they could legally prescribe you a good opiate for such things. In some places in Europe there are medical heroin programs for addicts. I think there's a few in Australia too, but I'm not certain. You're out of luck in the US though, sorry. The only possibility would maybe be methadone. Maybe. What's most likely is the news of your relapses will cause your doctor to reevaluate the suboxone use, because it clearly isn't working in terms of keeping you off opiates, which is the goal with suboxone.
 
I do agree that opiates make life more than amazing; up until the point where your life is no longer manageable or you have hurt everyone who cares about you. And this can happen pretty quickly when you are living the addict lifestyle.

But that does not mean that pain management patients who get scripts don't suffer in similar ways. They very often run out of their scripts before they can fill the next one. They also are very capable of hurting people who care about them because addiction tends to do that, no matter where you get your drugs from. And lastly, because the drugs are being handed over so easily and cheaply (if you have health insurance) you are likely to become addicted quicker and go through the same miserable withdrawals that every addict has to go through.

Don't think for one second that just because oxycontin makes life feel great for a while, your sub doctor (of all people) would be willing to hand a script over.
And even if you did somehow manage to run into a miracle and acquire the scripts, I promise you that the pink cloud that opiates put you on will disappear real fast (most likely when your tolerance starts to go up.)

Please take my advice and try to stick with the sub. If it still really isn't working after about three to six months then maybe you should look into methadone. But please do not go around looking to get back to oxy whether it's from a doc or the streets.
 
psychomimeitic i wish u were my doc cuz u get it. u understand that some ppl lives are made better by taking a perscription. even opiates can improve ppls lives. thanks for the replies. please keep them coming. i would love to hear somebody with personal experience with asking the doc if they could try something different
 
also i was on methadone for 7 months before i started suboxone and before the methadone i was on roxys for more than a year
 
To answer your question about if sub docs switch patients to "real" opiates, yes some do. But it would have to be for a legit reason.. They wouldn't be able to give it to you for opiate maintenance, it would have to be for what they are meant for, pain. My sub doc has a lot of people on methadone, it's really for maintenance but in the paperwork and all that stuff he says it's prescribed to them for pain management. So it pretty much depends on the doctor and how liberal they are with meds.
 
i hated feeling like a zombie on the methadone so i tried to kick it cold turkey, then relapsed on roxys. then i got on the suboxone then subutex
 
tampajay1 said:
psychomimeitic i wish u were my doc cuz u get it. u understand that some ppl lives are made better by taking a perscription. even opiates can improve ppls lives. thanks for the replies. please keep them coming. i would love to hear somebody with personal experience with asking the doc if they could try something different
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I know where you're coming from cause I'm in a similar boat. In that opiates help me to be mentally healthy in a big way. I really think that the psychiatric community would do better by prescribing opiates in place of benzos in many cases, like mine and many other people's (I know of many people who I believe this to be true for).

Even if I was your doctor I couldn't prescribe you a decent opiate though. Medications are only approved for the treatment of certain conditions, and doctors aren't allowed to prescribe things for uses they aren't approved for (like prescribing opiates as anti-anxiety/depression medication). At least I think this is the case, I'm not a doctor or a lawyer or anything.

As was said above- your doc would only prescribe you a more abusable opiate for pain managment. Most doctors are far less likely to prescribe former addicts with opiates other then methadone and bupe though.
 
^ well medications can be used "off label" for something other than what they are meant for, but it would be really hard for a doctor to explain to the DEA that they were prescribing pain medicine for depression and anxiety. Especially since they are tightly controlled drugs.

And I completely agree that for a lot of people opiates would be a better choice of treatment than benzos.
 
That's interesting about the off label part, I've heard the term but I never really knew that doctors were allowed to do such things (although it makes sense, I just don't usually expect drug law to make sense). The DEA are jerks, they should at least allow opiates to be prescribed to people who are addicts that don't want to quit, for the sake of safety if nothing else.
 
Like I said, I too agree that opiates make life great and probably would be better than benzos. But just like benzos, it would not be a good idea for long term treatment. When coming off of both of these drugs, the anxiety and depression seems worse than it was to begin with in my opinion.
And you can't say that the doctor could just keep people on these meds forever, because you would be causing extreme psychological and physical harm to someone by doing this, especially when tolerance starts going up (as I said before.)
 
psychomimetic said:
That's interesting about the off label part, I've heard the term but I never really knew that doctors were allowed to do such things (although it makes sense, I just don't usually expect drug law to make sense). The DEA are jerks, they should at least allow opiates to be prescribed to people who are addicts that don't want to quit, for the sake of safety if nothing else.
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There was someone on this site (I don't remember who) that went to his doctor and told him he was addicted to heroin and that it was really messing up his life and needed help and instead of sending him to rehab or to a sub doctor or something his doctor prescribed him morphine because " it was for harm reduction" and he felt it was necessary to keep his patient safe. So he could get his drugs legally and not off the street.
But if that doctor got caught he would be fucked.
 
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it doesn't really make your life better, or else you wouldn't be in rehab right now... but to answer your question yes it will happen, when hell freezes over.
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I agree. Opiates don't really make life better, especially in the long term. It's that you have that feeling of euphoria and it could make you feel so good that you think your life is better than before.

Now for pain management people, opiates can make life better, allowing these folks an oppurtunity to do things that the pain would normally make impossible to do.

When I was addicted to hydro I would always argue that we should have free access to drugs such as these because they made going to work much easier and doing the things around home that I normally hated doing became no problem to do on opiates. Then the honeymoon ended and tolerance begin to build and build and build! Life wasn't fun anymore. I couldn't be happy because I was always worried about running out of meds, was not getting the euphoria, and was only staving off withdrawals.

During my opiate daze I went into credit card debt to the tune of $40,000, and that hasn't been fun either.

So I have to disagree that opiates make life better. What happened to me is not an isolated event either. Talk to opiate addicts and see how things started out so great, but ended up so bad.
 
It won't happen in the United States. You might get lucky outside of the United States, but this isn't an Other Drugs topic. I'm going to have to close this.

How long have you been on Suboxone? What dose did you taper down to?
 
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