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Heroin Trying heroin soon, never done opioids

Is Heroin similar to a heavy dose of oxycodone? In terms of Euphoria or is different?
I'm not sure honestly.

I've only ever had oxycodone once in my lifetime & I had a hefty tolerance to tramadol at the time, so the oxy did nothing for me.

I would assume it's close though. I hear a lot of people claim oxycodone is more stimulating though. So they're probably a bit different.
I get stimulation from most opioids though (including heroin), so I don't know if oxycodone is generally more stimulating or not in my personal experience.

I'm the type of person who use to get up & clean like crazy & get shit done on opioids like tramadol or heroin. So they all have varying degrees of "stimulation" for me.

I think it probably comes down to preference & personal body chemistry. Some people might not get anything enjoyable from oxycodone but might love heroin. And some people might love oxycodone but dislike heroin.
 
Don't do it.



I use opioids because they obliterate my depression, which in return makes me motivated, more social, less anxiety & just all around better functioning. So if you have clinical depression, you might find that heroin is going to really help that (at first). So right there is a chance that you could run into addiction problems. Because if something makes you feel better, you're obviously going to want to keep doing it.

But it does cause a pretty heavy dependence & before you know it, you need opioids just to function. And if you don't have constant access to them, then this aspect is only going to make your life worse.

Don't bother with the IV route.


But due to the war on drugs & everything, I can't advocate that somebody try opioids.
OP - listen to the above mate, bolded bits in particular

I notice you say that you'll try anything to feel better - honestly you owe it to yourself/friends/family to give the very healthy diet / mediTation / excercise axis a proper try before hardcore opiates

That axis works extremely well for a TON of people btw, no doubt whatsoever about that. There are no viable short cuts for what you seek
 

I made this report of me quitting buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is infinitely better than heroin or fentanyl for depression, particularly with the markets in my country. It is one of the few opioids that have any success treating depression in studies. I have also other clinical reasons to do opioids. My conclusion was that it still made me mostly much worse off and I felt much better off the stuff. I also relapse regularly for few weeks, which I did foresee in the conclusion of my blog. You can also check that from my health&recovery-forum threads. Kinda depressing.

I am not even on rock bottom but I still consider bupre harmful habit. There are absolutely no good reasons to expect that self-regulated heroin habit made you happy. It does not get much better than this I am doing and even that is still blah. And it can get worse and worse if I relapse and relapse again, which I will probably do. And it will become habit if you don't completely stop before certain point, which barely exists because you will not take that certain point seriously on the honeymoon episode.

If you are insisting on taking opioid, get on kratom or something. It is relatively self-modulating. If you don't push it in manners that addicts somehow still end up doing, it maybe won't get infinitely worse every week and month on habit. But even that is probably shit idea for countless reasons, one being the heavy metal content on kratom products that are often observed.
 
If you are insisting on taking opioid, get on kratom or something. It is relatively self-modulating...
This is solid advice. I've been addicted to (and gotten off of) a lot of different substances over the years which caused me all kinds of problems-- physical, emotional, financial, legal, you name it. Kratom has been the least detrimental of any of them. I've been taking kratom daily for about 5 years now and it hasn't disrupted my life in any way. Yes, I am dependent on it. But it's quite affordable, easy to get, and impossible to OD on. No substance is harmless, but kratom seems to be relatively benign as addictive drugs go.

If you absolutely insist upon taking a powerful opioid, methadone is good for mood elevation and long-lasting effects. BUT I would only go that route if you are 100% certain that you will have a steady, legal, and affordable supply for the rest of your life. That stuff is pure hell to come off of and the withdrawal takes what feels like forever. For several weeks after quitting methadone I would have given anything to just have the ordinary depression that I thought was unbearable before.
 
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Iiit.... will DEFINITELY deal with your depressed mood. Instantly and very well. And therein lies the problem.
It's not a good idea to use any drug as an emotional fix, because nothing will get you dependent sooner than that.

I would recommend to not try it until you're feeling better. And then don't try it alone and don't exceed 10-15 mg as a first dose.

PS I'd also consider taking an anti-emetic beforehand. Opiates make most people sick to start.
PSPS if you're in the US, DON'T EVEN BOTHER.
It will be mostly or entirely fent and possibly nitazines. Not worth the risk.
 
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Iiit.... will DEFINITELY deal with your depressed mood. Instantly and very well. And therein lies the problem.
It's not a good idea to use any drug as an emotional fix, because nothing will get you dependent sooner than that.

I would recommend to not try it until you're feeling better. And then don't try it alone and don't exceed 10-15 mg as a first dose.

PS I'd also consider taking an anti-emetic beforehand. Opiates make most people sick to start.
PSPS if you're in the US, DON'T EVEN BOTHER.
It will be mostly or entirely fent and possibly nitazines. Not worth the risk.for curiosity's sake, what emetics do you use? Dramanine? Not that I have any desire to try H again.
 
At this point, I just want relief from life’s daily misery. I’m out of Xanax which I used to take a lot to sleep the day away. My life sucks and I’m willing to try anything at this point.

That's a hard place to be in. I'm sure there are heaps of people on these forums who understand this all too well.

This is also a really tricky thing to advise someone on. Historically speaking, telling people not to use a drug doesn't work very well. But with something like H, it's difficult to speak on it without mentioning all the myriad reasons to stay away from it.

To complicate things further, my experience with opiates is that the more mental pain someone is in, the better they work. For someone with an unburdened mind, opiates may be nothing special - even boring. But if you're desperate for an escape and would love to feel free of your monotonous misery, opiates can transmute those negative feelings into a zen state of wellbeing in an almost magical way.

It's unfair that it is like this, in a way, but I agree with what others like lecroute have said - being mentally low is the worst time to try H because it might end up seeming like a silver bullet to your current problems.

The majority of people who are chemically dependent on opiates/opioids didn't get into them thinking they'd end up horribly dependent and suffering from a debilitating addiction. Most everyone believes they can control it to some degree and are scared of becoming entrapped. It can take weeks, months, years of occasional use before it gets you, but it's near impossible to outrun because it changes your brain chemistry in a way that can be remarkably difficult to undo. Honestly, I'm not sure it can be undone and have basically resigned myself to completing the remainder of my life dependent even though I know it's negatively affected every facet of my being.

Sorry OP that I can't give you anything you haven't heard already. I can't even say that I think you should or shouldn't do it. Sometimes the pressure of life just crushes you and there doesn't seem to be any other way out. It's sad that there are so many people who feel this way.

I hope you do OK and can stay well, regardless of whether you decide to use it or not.
 
But if you're desperate for an escape and would love to feel free of your monotonous misery, opiates can transmute those negative feelings into a zen state of wellbeing in an almost magical way.
This is a great way of putting it.

Imagine feeling so down, hopeless, in pain mentally & physically & then within minutes feeling completely normal, wonderful even, content & ready to take on life again. Who wouldn't want to keep taking something that makes you feel that way?

I actually tried opioids before I was 19. Probably more like 15 or 16. Mostly vicodin & tylenol 3's.
My brother would some times get them from his drug dealer friends & we'd drink, smoke weed & do them up.
At the time, all it did for me was make me feel nauseous & mentally blunted. I wasn't quite sure why people got hooked on them at the time. So I didn't really develop a problem with them quite then.

Fast-forward to the age of 19 & my brother had moved out & me & my mom moved away to a whole new state altogether.
Once my mom got set up with a new doctor & stuff, they gave her bucket loads of tramadol for sciatic pain (this was back in 2007-2008, so tramadol wasn't even a controlled substance back then). She got like 180 pills a month back then. She claimed they didn't help her, so she let me have them instead.

I popped about 6-8 of those pills & was ON TOP of the damn world! Depression completely gone. Music sounded ECLECTIC! Full body chills. I finally felt at peace for once in my life. I got a job as a cook & I started using the tramadol to help me work harder & longer (and it would make me actually enjoy the work I was doing). The idea of dependence or withdrawal hadn't even crossed my mind. Until about after a few months of using almost every day, I ran out (only temporarily though). And suddenly I felt very very weird. And sore. And flu-like. I wasn't sure what was going on until it clicked in my head that this was withdrawals. So I looked it up & sure enough that's exactly what it was.

But instead of stopping right then & there, I decided I would go ahead & keep using them every month to keep my depression at bay so I could work. I was able to do it for 4 more years until one bout of withdrawals just had me feeling so bad that I couldn't sleep, couldn't get into work one day, flipped out on my boss & lost my job.

I went through tramadol withdrawals from the age of 19-29/30 years old. Every single month almost. I would get incredibly suicidal every single time too & would do ANYTHING to stop the pain, from downing copious amounts of alcohol, to drinking DXM cough syrup, smoking meth, huffing inhalants, etc.. I put my body through hell while in withdrawal. I'm surprised I even made it this far.

I also felt like an asshole for making my mom have to go through the hell of harassing her doctor & playing the "we didn't get fax" game with the pharmacy every month for all those years. But she did it. My mom would've done anything for me really. And she knew that those pills & heroin were the only things that made me feel normal & okay. So she did whatever she had to, so that I could get it (both the trams & heroin). My mom even said she preferred me on heroin because on shit like alcohol, I would become violent, more suicidal & was an asshole.

Of course heroin popped into the picture around the age of 25 & after I tried heroin, it was all over. I knew I'd never go back to being a "non-opioid user". So I was using tramadol & heroin for almost 5 more years & then eventually I got on buprenorphine.

Buprenorphine helps my depression too, to a degree. But it's nowhere near as good as tramadol or heroin in that aspect (IMO). And some times it makes me so tired & emotionally blunted that I think it makes my depression worse. I didn't have that problem with full agonist opioids.

So yeah, getting opioids to treat depression can work, but without constant access, it's just going to make everything worse. I went through hell being an opioid addict. I'm sure some people here have been through even worse. I was lucky that I had a mom with access to opioids & a heroin dealer who was kind enough to hook me up with shit for free all the time. But some people have had to do terrible things & go through even worse challenges just to get their fix.

So OP, I would really consider all of this before trying anything. With opioids, for me anyway, it always seems like your first few experiences with them will kind of suck, but if you keep using them, that's when the good effects start to make themselves known & by that point, you're already on your way to a dependence.


I will never blame the opioids themselves for all the problems though. It's clear the prohibition & the criminalizing of opioids is what causes the problems. If I could legally access opioids & do opioid-rotation every time I get too tolerant to one opioid, I'd be able to live a much better life with better quality of life. But alas, we live in a really stupid & ignorant society that thinks drinking yourself to death is okay & socially acceptable, but using opioids to function better makes you a "criminal" who "needs help".
 
It's likely going to be fentanyl if your in north america. Even if it was pure diamorphine you still have to be very careful with the dosing. I forget the dose for a non tolerant person but according to google 1mg sc diamorphine equals 1.5mg morphine sc. If your non tolerant your going to want the equivalent to 10mg morphine the first time
 
I've been considering trying H just for the sake of it. My life has been going pretty bad. One the one hand I'm more functional than ever, but I'm also really depressed. I'm mostly into psychedelics but I've done harder stuff quite a bit as well.

I've never done opioids, and I found some good deals on heroin on the onion fields. If there's any knowledge anyone might be willing to share about H, I'd love to hear some. I already got some needle filters, (I don't plan on IV'ing until I get a good feel for the drug).

Overall, what are some things I should look out for? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
If you have not done any opioids before, I would advise against starting with heroin.

I'm not gonna tell you not to do it. Life is hard and I cant begrudge anyone from trying to feel better, I cant live without opioids, personally, but the dependence will absolutely change your life.

So dont go into it lightly. And if you want to try an opioid, try codeine, hydrocodone, tramadol, tapantadol, or kratom.

Dont start with heroin, Jiminy. Thats asking for problems I think.
 
In no way do I want to encourage you in doing this because, like everyone here, including you probably, I know how dangerous and harmful this would be.

I'm in a somewhat similar situation to you. Unlike you I've done opiates before, but I, like you, am dealing with depression. I've recently begun using IV nitazenes. They didn't offer the relief I am looking for and I'm strongly considering seeking out heroin.

At the risk of sounding hypocritical, don't make the same mistake I'm about to make.

You haven't done opiates before, so you haven't started down that road yet. Don't do it. Maybe I'm misjudging your post but it sounds like you want to do this to actually get better. It simply won't do that. Yeah, it might offer relief but you'll destroy your life doing it.

I hope you haven't reached the point I'm at, where destroying my life doesn't matter to me.

Again, this may sound extremely hypocritical, but I wouldn't want what I'm planning for anyone else. If you're dead set on doing it and the advice from people who have been there won't convince you otherwise, I doubt my appeal to you will do anything. My hope is simply that someone who is in a similar place to you might offer something useful to you. I wouldn't want anyone to do what I intend to do. Please heed the warnings from the people who know what you'd be getting yourself into.
 
Opiates aren’t drugs you do every once in a while out of depression or boredom. You’re pretty much on them daily or you don’t do them whatsoever.

They are such an unremarkable unfun drug that if you’re gonna do a drug once in a blue moon and seriously not become an addict if of it. You’d be better served with the addictive yet less physically addictive mdma or dissociative.

Even doing coke and drinking and just partying.

Dondo opiates once in a while solves nothing and is not that fun. They are more of a way of life

I couldn’t see doing them if I wasn’t in physical pain.

For mental pain do adderall
Or something less addictive that’s not physically impossible to stop using as opiates
 
I've been considering trying H just for the sake of it. My life has been going pretty bad. One the one hand I'm more functional than ever, but I'm also really depressed. I'm mostly into psychedelics but I've done harder stuff quite a bit as well.

I've never done opioids, and I found some good deals on heroin on the onion fields. If there's any knowledge anyone might be willing to share about H, I'd love to hear some. I already got some needle filters, (I don't plan on IV'ing until I get a good feel for the drug).

Overall, what are some things I should look out for? Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
DONT, please don't do it. I've been an addict since I was 19, and an opiate addict for 6 years. I didn't think it could get worse, but as they day- the higher u get the lower you go. If you have mental health issues, DO NOT do opiates. I've overdosed at least 4 times (brought back with Narcan- ohhh precipitated withdrawal 😫there are NO WORDS to describe that experience. So horrific. Heroin nowadays likely has fetty in it...it's is a very very bad idea dude and I love drugs and heroin is great it's the best there is, but it's tainted and ruined with fentanyl. Instant death, every time I've done fetty (only once on purpose) I have overdosed, and never ONCE been high from the shit. Just my experience. If you do try opiates I guarantee you if you make it a year alive you will remember this conversation and you will wish that you took my advice I guarantee it. Because my ex used to tell me not to mess with opiates when I started and I thought he was just telling me what to do and I was like f*** you I'll do whatever I want I like them they make me happy whatever whatever. And I wish I would have listened to him. You can't get off of them either so you know there's that also. Wait a month and see if you still want to do it then, and re-assess. Or a week, or a day, or whatever. It's a bad idea. Don't do it.
 
Oh and then there's getting addicted to shooting dope...then I have to cover ur marks or ppl see them and instantly judge you ,etc. I don't feel bad about what I do usually it's just how other people make me feel about it. I do Dilaudid and don't do those either ...I just went back to the methadone clinic actually. It's just a real pain in the ass cuz u can't not use for a day or 2, you HAVE TO do something or you'll be sicker than FUCK
 
Oh and then there's getting addicted to shooting dope...then I have to cover ur marks or ppl see them and instantly judge you ,etc. I don't feel bad about what I do usually it's just how other people make me feel about it. I do Dilaudid and don't do those either ...I just went back to the methadone clinic actually. It's just a real pain in the ass cuz u can't not use for a day or 2, you HAVE TO do something or you'll be sicker than FUCK
wait you have to not use dope for a day or two to be allowed to get methadone?

What if you just get methadone illicitly and get to the point where you only have methadone in your piss?

Is a clinic going to seriously make you withdrawal from only methadone to give you methadone (even just the 10mg starter dose)

Also where is this? In califnornia ppl
Get methadone regardless of pissing dirty for fentanyl and all other hard drugs; they don’t get denied methadone for having fent in their system
 
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