SWIM Had A Dream
Bluelighter
Hey apple what did you think of the 25i? Over 1mg seems like a lot from what I've read.....I would love to try a tab but it kinda freaks me out to be honest
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trying dmt
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i thought it was great i did 3mg my first time. it was pretty intence visually but i had a pretty clear headspace for the most part. Its def. worth a try
SWIM Had A Dream
Bluelighter
Shaking head...he shouldn't have turned his chakras upside down...so sad....
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GreenMachine
Bluelighter
i may be alone in this view, but i think there really isnt a way to prepare for a DMT trip. sure it helps if you have had some strong acid trips under you belt, to know when to just let go when shit goes sideways. however, a real breakthrough DMT dose is so overpowering there isnt much to any of "you" left. DMT always knocks me on my ass-i have to be sitting or laying down. so in my experience ive never seen anyone do an salvia-type runner jobs.
just expect to get your ass kicked, let go, and have fun!
just expect to get your ass kicked, let go, and have fun!
Yeah IMO experience with DMT doesn't even prepare you for your next go with DMT, which is probably the same reason why it sustains such an incomparable level of novelty or special / unique otherworldliness. I am amazed that some people 'domesticize' their use to become recreational. I don't really feel like I have a choice being a humble subserviant to this sacrament, the question whether I would want to domesticize or normalize the experience myself doesn't even really compute with me.
Bill
Bluelight Crew
^ 5 star post
There was no question with me, with an open mind I just let go and had one of the most amazing experiences in my life
It felt like all the energy in the world came directly into my body and everything in my being just kept telling me to keep going
There are no words to describe what I saw, felt like I was going in every direction at once and seen the most vivid and vibrant morphing colors/shapes/images/unreadable different languages and mother earth with a tree branch growing out of her head on a corner of a huge alien intersection place lol
^ That doesn't even describe the half of it, it leaves you speechless is all I can say
There was no question with me, with an open mind I just let go and had one of the most amazing experiences in my life
It felt like all the energy in the world came directly into my body and everything in my being just kept telling me to keep going
There are no words to describe what I saw, felt like I was going in every direction at once and seen the most vivid and vibrant morphing colors/shapes/images/unreadable different languages and mother earth with a tree branch growing out of her head on a corner of a huge alien intersection place lol
^ That doesn't even describe the half of it, it leaves you speechless is all I can say
Help?!?!
Bluelighter
I feel the same way but are you speaking for yourself or everyone? I would be pretty surprised if anyone could make DMT into some trained or routine ride, that being the primary reason I ask. As I've stated many times I've smoked huge amounts of DMT over the years and spent a chunk of time doing it at least once daily. To this day I still have absolute reverence and even a tad bit of well placed fear for any dose exceeding 50mgs.
In my mind having anything less would be utter idiocy, though as a note I respect all psychedelics pretty highly.
Letting go is definitely a must as others have said, doing anything else or less will most likely get you a nice lashing. I guess I could understand an anxious control manic not wanting to let go, but believe me when I say, letting it all fall down, and allowing yourself to be rushed away by the powerful current that is DMT is one of the most blissful chemically induced feelings that can occur in my mind at least.
I couldn't speak for everyone, if that is not obvious. It is what I personally figure, though I realize that revering DMT and being able to get over the apprehension enough to do it daily are not mutually exclusive and can in fact be united if the size of one's balls pass quality control...
No but seriously I would compare it to a phobia, then again I am not sure how rational or irrational we should deem the fear of blasting off another time. Do you think astronauts have these mixed feelings about a rocket launch? But rationalizing it I think it is a matter of what wins out: either curiosity and desire for ineffable majesty or a fear of temporarily maxing out the meter that also registers traumatic events in a way. Something unacceptable or insufferable about the intensity I guess.
I must admit that speaking of the devil (that is to say angels and elves) my curiosity is starting to win out again...
In a little while I'll gather some IMing rigs so that I can finally IM it for a first time. IMing 5-MeO-DMT left me feeling like it is hard to believe I would ever be okay with IMing more of something like that anytime soon but apparently people report IMing DMT actually being pretty sweet.
No but seriously I would compare it to a phobia, then again I am not sure how rational or irrational we should deem the fear of blasting off another time. Do you think astronauts have these mixed feelings about a rocket launch? But rationalizing it I think it is a matter of what wins out: either curiosity and desire for ineffable majesty or a fear of temporarily maxing out the meter that also registers traumatic events in a way. Something unacceptable or insufferable about the intensity I guess.
I must admit that speaking of the devil (that is to say angels and elves) my curiosity is starting to win out again...
In a little while I'll gather some IMing rigs so that I can finally IM it for a first time. IMing 5-MeO-DMT left me feeling like it is hard to believe I would ever be okay with IMing more of something like that anytime soon but apparently people report IMing DMT actually being pretty sweet.
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Help?!?!
Bluelighter
Ha, of course not but I thought you may well have been making a generalized assumption or so. For me it had nothing to do with testicular fortitude, more so the highly positive effects received such as a very marked anti depressant effect as well as generally making life seem brighter and a bit more intriguing(probably due to the AD effect though...). It also seemed to help me sleep and as a chronic insomniac I'm ever grateful for any help on that front. Lastly it was also just an experiment to see what long term and chronic DMT administration would be like. As a note also, I'm one of those that's generally pretty good at handling psychedelic chaos as well.
Personally of course it was a tad easier to be less apprehensive to administer DMT during bouts of heavy use but really not that great of a factor at the end of the day. Some days, especially after a heavy dose/rocket ride that got wild, I was honestly pretty unnerved about heading back even if the dose wasn't large, but what has been proven to me time and time again is that truly when it really comes down to it there isn't any real reason to really fear DMT. Even at extreme doses smoked, after the being rushed to the moon sensation ended, I no matter what always felt an extreme feeling of utter bliss and a general feeling that all was perfect at that moment. The times I was really put through the ringer by DMT, it still occurred, but it's so short lasting that any fear for me is easily gone in eight through ten minutes then bliss(still only been like that maybe...ten times out of possibly near a thousand? Great track record if there ever was one!). Even when time warping occurs it's not that terrible. So in the end when my mind or body projects fear about smoking DMT whenever but especially after a long time their always just comes a voice that simply says "No need to fear you know ultimately what the end results will be!". Phobia isn't a bad way to place it though considering that repeated exposure may dampen the fear a bit but most likely never truly wash it away.
I'd definitely not hesitate to IM DMT. It's an extraordinarily wonderful time! How was IM 5-MeO-DMT for you by the way? Sounds like it was intense by the way you talk about possibly not wanting to try others via that route. Always meant to try it that way but never got around to it and now it's illegal, ah well one day I suppose!
Personally of course it was a tad easier to be less apprehensive to administer DMT during bouts of heavy use but really not that great of a factor at the end of the day. Some days, especially after a heavy dose/rocket ride that got wild, I was honestly pretty unnerved about heading back even if the dose wasn't large, but what has been proven to me time and time again is that truly when it really comes down to it there isn't any real reason to really fear DMT. Even at extreme doses smoked, after the being rushed to the moon sensation ended, I no matter what always felt an extreme feeling of utter bliss and a general feeling that all was perfect at that moment. The times I was really put through the ringer by DMT, it still occurred, but it's so short lasting that any fear for me is easily gone in eight through ten minutes then bliss(still only been like that maybe...ten times out of possibly near a thousand? Great track record if there ever was one!). Even when time warping occurs it's not that terrible. So in the end when my mind or body projects fear about smoking DMT whenever but especially after a long time their always just comes a voice that simply says "No need to fear you know ultimately what the end results will be!". Phobia isn't a bad way to place it though considering that repeated exposure may dampen the fear a bit but most likely never truly wash it away.
I'd definitely not hesitate to IM DMT. It's an extraordinarily wonderful time! How was IM 5-MeO-DMT for you by the way? Sounds like it was intense by the way you talk about possibly not wanting to try others via that route. Always meant to try it that way but never got around to it and now it's illegal, ah well one day I suppose!
You can read about it here in my trip report:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...ne-100-mg-MXE-IM)-Experienced-Tripping-Globes
I know what you mean with nothing to fear, that is what I have experienced often with psychedelics in general, a lot with LSD not so much with mushrooms but maybe most of all with DMT. However I have a really weird track record learning things, some kinds of things I can learn super fast - mostly skill type things such as making music related or memory related... but I have a hard time learning some kinds of personal lessons. And despite what I just said about not having anything to fear from DMT, what still did impress me was the sense of absolute batshit insanity during difficult trips. Granted they were few and I clearly know what I did wrong, namely hold too many trivial things in my mind before blasting off, which spun into chaos very logically. However the resulting insanity, even though temporarily, did break my world. And while I don't truly believe that I would permanently break my sanity that way, there is a special kind of defensive that the ego seems to get when you cut down on psychedelics use. For some reason when the memory fades on how gloriously beautiful and trustworthy good psychedelia is when you keep your set and setting healthy, what remains is the idea that it is harmful to the psychological status quo.
I think that is what got to me, and I am willing to prove it wrong.
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...ne-100-mg-MXE-IM)-Experienced-Tripping-Globes
I know what you mean with nothing to fear, that is what I have experienced often with psychedelics in general, a lot with LSD not so much with mushrooms but maybe most of all with DMT. However I have a really weird track record learning things, some kinds of things I can learn super fast - mostly skill type things such as making music related or memory related... but I have a hard time learning some kinds of personal lessons. And despite what I just said about not having anything to fear from DMT, what still did impress me was the sense of absolute batshit insanity during difficult trips. Granted they were few and I clearly know what I did wrong, namely hold too many trivial things in my mind before blasting off, which spun into chaos very logically. However the resulting insanity, even though temporarily, did break my world. And while I don't truly believe that I would permanently break my sanity that way, there is a special kind of defensive that the ego seems to get when you cut down on psychedelics use. For some reason when the memory fades on how gloriously beautiful and trustworthy good psychedelia is when you keep your set and setting healthy, what remains is the idea that it is harmful to the psychological status quo.
I think that is what got to me, and I am willing to prove it wrong.
Help?!?!
Bluelighter
Haha I know exactly what you mean. Last year I took a break from tripping for some time and when the perfect moment had presented itself to me, all I had at the moment was 2c-E. As you surely know it's quite a heavy duty one which can be wrought with side effects. My mind as always knew truly that there was nothing to be frightened of but at the same time in the back of my mind there was almost a primal, instinctual fear of doing it. It certainly was difficult jumping back into the strong psychedelically warped mind state 2c-E provides, especially so quickly(plugged it hoping to avoid side effects), but thankfully I was graced with a delightful side effect free trip. A good and strong trip was exactly what I needed to set my mind straight at the time and it did just that.
I also know the exact sort of demented insanity your talking about with DMT. For me a common theme of smoking to much DMT was a feeling that my teeth had melted, which would cause me to run to the bathroom mirror to check and when I did it would appear as if they were actually gone or terribly damaged. One time in addition to that when I went to look into the mirror, my face appeared to rapidly age then gorily decay before my eyes which nauseated me and caused me to throw up into the sink. At these time though I would slow my mind to the best of my ability, take some slow breaths in/out in rhythm, and think "Everything is perfectly fine, I simply smoked to much DMT, this has happened before, and in a few moments everything will return to normal.". Then I would lay down and begin to calm down. I believe this shows the true importance of simply flowing with the river rather than attempting to struggle against it. I've always likened psychedelics to a good friend patting you on the back for a job well done and the rewarding feelings that come with that. On the other hand though, if your an annoying, overzealous, and cocky asshat, your friend is much more likely to slap your back rather than gently pat it....
That was an elegantly beautiful TR, very glad I read it and sad to have missed it when you first posted it. I once had a ++++ on 5-MeO-DMT that was somewhat similar to your report. I vaped 5ish mgs after insufflating 30, it was an insanely wild, and mixed roller coaster ride. Easily identify with feeling of absolute doom one moment(probably more like a second haha), then just feeling unbelievably blissful whilst feeling a sensation like I my body was being sucked into the void. Pretty amazing though also frightening.
I also know the exact sort of demented insanity your talking about with DMT. For me a common theme of smoking to much DMT was a feeling that my teeth had melted, which would cause me to run to the bathroom mirror to check and when I did it would appear as if they were actually gone or terribly damaged. One time in addition to that when I went to look into the mirror, my face appeared to rapidly age then gorily decay before my eyes which nauseated me and caused me to throw up into the sink. At these time though I would slow my mind to the best of my ability, take some slow breaths in/out in rhythm, and think "Everything is perfectly fine, I simply smoked to much DMT, this has happened before, and in a few moments everything will return to normal.". Then I would lay down and begin to calm down. I believe this shows the true importance of simply flowing with the river rather than attempting to struggle against it. I've always likened psychedelics to a good friend patting you on the back for a job well done and the rewarding feelings that come with that. On the other hand though, if your an annoying, overzealous, and cocky asshat, your friend is much more likely to slap your back rather than gently pat it....
That was an elegantly beautiful TR, very glad I read it and sad to have missed it when you first posted it. I once had a ++++ on 5-MeO-DMT that was somewhat similar to your report. I vaped 5ish mgs after insufflating 30, it was an insanely wild, and mixed roller coaster ride. Easily identify with feeling of absolute doom one moment(probably more like a second haha
), then just feeling unbelievably blissful whilst feeling a sensation like I my body was being sucked into the void. Pretty amazing though also frightening.
EarthBounded
Bluelighter
I would throw away 25i and DXM if I had any around me, DMT is a great safe drug that will blow your mind! Just make sure you have pure DMT with no remaining chemicals from synthesis. It should appear as a fluffy white or yellow crystal it will be soft to the touch and has a unique smell, test kits are pretty pointless for DMT but making sure you have a clean product is important.