Opioids Trust the system: My system of microdosing Suboxone daily, and being able to still use opioids on it.

[TMoney11111]

Hello there! I have something I've thought of sharing in a forum like this for a very long time. A system I've been doing that has allowed me to be happy and free, save money, have a normal life, but still use opioids sometimes despite going to rehab 3 times in my life for them. First let me just say this: I've taken some type of opioid at some dose (counting Bupe of course) every day, without ever going into withdrawals, for almost 20 years. Sure, when I was inexperienced, I had several times I ran out and got mildly sick. Night sweats, restless leg, the knee pain, but never throwing up or diarrhea. The main WDs I experienced were mental BY FAR in my lifetime. However even the mental I've avoided for nearly 20 years due to the system of balance and harm reduction that I've been using. I want to share the current system I'm using to give others a new point of view on how to live a life 'mostly clean' but still be able to occasionally enjoy opioids, even if you've been horribly addicted to them in the past like me. I am NOT recommending people try this, please be mindful of harm reduction when it comes to anything related to opioids. Do your own research and be cautious, don't take my word for it. What works for 1 person may not work the same for someone else!

So for a while I would swap between real Opioids and Suboxone. Maybe a year of each, a little more or less, etc. First Suboxone was April 2008 and thats where I start this 'nearly 20 years' I mentioned earlier. However by January 2016, I quit real opioids, and have never TRULY gone back, so I consider myself 'sober' even though I've used hydrocodone/oxycodone plenty of times since then. I actually had gone 5 years without it at all, only being on Sub. I never wanted to use again. I was taking about 0.5mg of Suboxone at the time a day, a very low dose but, if you know Sub, whatever dose you take over a long period of time basically feels like a 'normal dose'.

At this point I had read about people on tiny doses waiting until later in the day and taking opioids still, and getting high. Some said the high was potentiated, some say it wasn't as good with the combo. I tried it. I got buzz but felt more of the physical effects than usual, from a very low dose. I mean there has to be cross tolerance between the two but, I was taking 50mg at once of hydrocodone at 1 point, or mixing 30mg hydro 10mg oxy together, stuff like that. And after being on Sub 0.5 for years. just a 5mg trial dose of Hydrocodone, had a huge effect. So I took 1 dose a day of hydrocodone, while on the Sub, for about a year. Eventually I stopped simply due to just burning out a bit, I quit weed and everything and went on a health kick. By this point I was taking just 0.25 mg a day of Suboxone. I pretty much got normal feelings from smaller Hydro doses of 15-20mg while on the 0.25.

So 2 years passed by and I was given a large quantity of oxy/hydro from a long time friend who of course I know they are legitimately from a pharmacy, as safe as it can be. At this point life wasn't going well and I was actually dealing with pain issues. So I thought, what if I REALLY tried to cut it down further. I don't want to take opioids ALL DAY like I used to, but I want to be able to really take a decent dose without interactions from Suboxone at all. Maybe this is just a placebo effect but, when I put the sub in my mouth and taste it, I feel calm. I know I don't need opioids for a while, or all day even. But, if I WANT them, I want to have the choice! So I started cutting the 2mg strips into 12 pieces. Do the math and that's like 0.166mg, give or take maybe 0.01 or 0.02 per, because the strips arent always perfectly even.

We are talking about true microdosing here! For most users, this sounds like a Joke. I realize that. But it works for me. I take it at about 7, and I do my normal daily stuff, wait until about 5, and take a normal hydrocodone dose. Then sleep by 11:30 Even 5mg my first time doing it after 2 years, felt amazing. 3 weeks in and I havent needed more than 10mg at once still, increasing my hydrocodone dose by about 0.25 at a time. I truly am a mathematical nerd when it comes to using lmao. Making ever so careful cuts and slightly increasing my dose over time, to prevent getting really 'higher than i want' and building tolerance fast. This system works for me, and even if it sounds crazy to some people, I wanted to share it. Im barely using any Bupe, minimizing the harm on my body over time. Barely using any Hydrocodone, 1 dose a day, and same thing. I've even had a 2 days where I tested it and got up early and did the sub at 6, then dose 1 at 12, then another at 6, then asleep at my normal time at 11:30. And again, totally fine.

More than anything I believe this works due to the tiny dose of Bupe. I could be wrong but I think it takes at least 2mg of it to FULLY block opioids. And I would never come on here and suggest things for people to try but, if you are going to ever try this, please, don't use over 0.5mg of Sub and don't use anything besides hydrocodone to do it with. Stronger things might not mix as well and risk opioid poisoning if you took a large enough dose. Be mindful of that, we're here to help eachother and share experiences! But This is my life. I hate alcohol. I quit weed. I JUST WANT TO TAKE 1 OPIOID DOSE A DAY AFTER WORK! In place of beer or weed like a 'normal person'. and Placebo or not, this helps me do it, and if anyone else out there does something similar, LET ME KNOW!!! Would love to hear about it!

Thanks for reading and god bless, stay safe and happy!

 

[Stassi202]

Have you ever been through precipitated withdrawal?

 

[TMoney11111]

Have you ever been through precipitated withdrawal?

Absolutely not. From my experience with Suboxone, I've not only learned from those experiences, but former doctors themselves, that this happening is HIGHLY exaggerated. I've never had anything close to that happen. Generally, I think that happens more often when someone is being induced onto Bupe, as in, they have none in their system and then they take their first dose too early. But I have taken a first dose induction after a long binge as short as about 14 hours after my last opioid dose, and I was totally fine. When I've been microdosing the 0.5mg or less, I've taken it just 12 hours after, and it felt completely normal. Obviously if youre taking extended release pills, or methadone, this is WAY different. We're talking short acting instant release pills here like Vicodin Norco Tylenol 3/4 Percocet Roxicodone Dilaudid.

 

[PenguinWithNapalm]

Hello there! I have something I've thought of sharing in a forum like this for a very long time. A system I've been doing that has allowed me to be happy and free, save money, have a normal life, but still use opioids sometimes despite going to rehab 3 times in my life for them. First let me just say this: I've taken some type of opioid at some dose (counting Bupe of course) every day, without ever going into withdrawals, for almost 20 years. Sure, when I was inexperienced, I had several times I ran out and got mildly sick. Night sweats, restless leg, the knee pain, but never throwing up or diarrhea. The main WDs I experienced were mental BY FAR in my lifetime. However even the mental I've avoided for nearly 20 years due to the system of balance and harm reduction that I've been using. I want to share the current system I'm using to give others a new point of view on how to live a life 'mostly clean' but still be able to occasionally enjoy opioids, even if you've been horribly addicted to them in the past like me. I am NOT recommending people try this, please be mindful of harm reduction when it comes to anything related to opioids. Do your own research and be cautious, don't take my word for it. What works for 1 person may not work the same for someone else!

So for a while I would swap between real Opioids and Suboxone. Maybe a year of each, a little more or less, etc. First Suboxone was April 2008 and thats where I start this 'nearly 20 years' I mentioned earlier. However by January 2016, I quit real opioids, and have never TRULY gone back, so I consider myself 'sober' even though I've used hydrocodone/oxycodone plenty of times since then. I actually had gone 5 years without it at all, only being on Sub. I never wanted to use again. I was taking about 0.5mg of Suboxone at the time a day, a very low dose but, if you know Sub, whatever dose you take over a long period of time basically feels like a 'normal dose'.

At this point I had read about people on tiny doses waiting until later in the day and taking opioids still, and getting high. Some said the high was potentiated, some say it wasn't as good with the combo. I tried it. I got buzz but felt more of the physical effects than usual, from a very low dose. I mean there has to be cross tolerance between the two but, I was taking 50mg at once of hydrocodone at 1 point, or mixing 30mg hydro 10mg oxy together, stuff like that. And after being on Sub 0.5 for years. just a 5mg trial dose of Hydrocodone, had a huge effect. So I took 1 dose a day of hydrocodone, while on the Sub, for about a year. Eventually I stopped simply due to just burning out a bit, I quit weed and everything and went on a health kick. By this point I was taking just 0.25 mg a day of Suboxone. I pretty much got normal feelings from smaller Hydro doses of 15-20mg while on the 0.25.

So 2 years passed by and I was given a large quantity of oxy/hydro from a long time friend who of course I know they are legitimately from a pharmacy, as safe as it can be. At this point life wasn't going well and I was actually dealing with pain issues. So I thought, what if I REALLY tried to cut it down further. I don't want to take opioids ALL DAY like I used to, but I want to be able to really take a decent dose without interactions from Suboxone at all. Maybe this is just a placebo effect but, when I put the sub in my mouth and taste it, I feel calm. I know I don't need opioids for a while, or all day even. But, if I WANT them, I want to have the choice! So I started cutting the 2mg strips into 12 pieces. Do the math and that's like 0.166mg, give or take maybe 0.01 or 0.02 per, because the strips arent always perfectly even.

We are talking about true microdosing here! For most users, this sounds like a Joke. I realize that. But it works for me. I take it at about 7, and I do my normal daily stuff, wait until about 5, and take a normal hydrocodone dose. Then sleep by 11:30 Even 5mg my first time doing it after 2 years, felt amazing. 3 weeks in and I havent needed more than 10mg at once still, increasing my hydrocodone dose by about 0.25 at a time. I truly am a mathematical nerd when it comes to using lmao. Making ever so careful cuts and slightly increasing my dose over time, to prevent getting really 'higher than i want' and building tolerance fast. This system works for me, and even if it sounds crazy to some people, I wanted to share it. Im barely using any Bupe, minimizing the harm on my body over time. Barely using any Hydrocodone, 1 dose a day, and same thing. I've even had a 2 days where I tested it and got up early and did the sub at 6, then dose 1 at 12, then another at 6, then asleep at my normal time at 11:30. And again, totally fine.

More than anything I believe this works due to the tiny dose of Bupe. I could be wrong but I think it takes at least 2mg of it to FULLY block opioids. And I would never come on here and suggest things for people to try but, if you are going to ever try this, please, don't use over 0.5mg of Sub and don't use anything besides hydrocodone to do it with. Stronger things might not mix as well and risk opioid poisoning if you took a large enough dose. Be mindful of that, we're here to help eachother and share experiences! But This is my life. I hate alcohol. I quit weed. I JUST WANT TO TAKE 1 OPIOID DOSE A DAY AFTER WORK! In place of beer or weed like a 'normal person'. and Placebo or not, this helps me do it, and if anyone else out there does something similar, LET ME KNOW!!! Would love to hear about it!

Thanks for reading and god bless, stay safe and happy!

At one point when I was using fetty I was taking subs at the same time and when I was out of fetty I wouldn’t go into withdrawal as long as I continued to keep the bupe amount in my blood at a consistent amount

 

[Ballu]

Interesting thread, and I believe what you're saying is accurate, as I've been on Suboxone for some years, and have experimented with microdosing while using Dilaudid for over a week straight(around 9 or 10 days). When I ran out of Dilaudid, and continued to use my Suboxone, I didn't end up in w/d. I believe a large part of doing this successfully, is making sure to keep your doses of Suboxone really low. I was taking 8mg Dilaudid at the time too, and didn't go thru any w/d when I ran out. I haven't had the luxury of using the opioid for 2 years straight.. but in a normal setting, after 9 or 10 days straight of Dilaudid, it would normally put me in w/d if I didn't follow up with more opiates or an opioid.

 

[TMoney11111]

Interesting thread, and I believe what you're saying is accurate, as I've been on Suboxone for some years, and have experimented with microdosing while using Dilaudid for over a week straight(around 9 or 10 days). When I ran out of Dilaudid, and continued to use my Suboxone, I didn't end up in w/d. I believe a large part of doing this successfully, is making sure to keep your doses of Suboxone really low. I was taking 8mg Dilaudid at the time too, and didn't go thru any w/d when I ran out. I haven't had the luxury of using the opioid for 2 years straight.. but in a normal setting, after 9 or 10 days straight of Dilaudid, it would normally put me in w/d if I didn't follow up with more opiates or an opioid.

Thats how my experience has been as well! Im sure there's some negative effects to it, and over a long period of time, surely it might not be great for your receptors. But for a few days or weeks occasionally, it's never caused a problem. I typically burn out and stop before my tolerance builds up much, and then as you said, there's no withdrawals. I might up the suboxone by a very small margin when Im no longer going to be using any opioids but that's it. I personally just like to feel 'normal' throughout the day, and then if I feel like getting a buzz, do it, without the feeling that I need to use opioids all day every day like when I was abusing them badly, and that's the main benefit to this for me

 

[Opana313]

At one point when I was using fetty I was taking subs at the same time and when I was out of fetty I wouldn’t go into withdrawal as long as I continued to keep the bupe amount in my blood at a consistent amount

Same.



Yeah 4 the thread- it works...I did it the whole time..
But it is also very easy to go into a full relapse & withdrawal..and its easy to want to take more suboxone and fuck everything royally up again, but as long as you are extremely careful you can walk away.

I think subs definitely saved me and gave me a better quality of life compared to being sick every other week or whatnot. But I still used, wasted d.o.c. BUT yeah i noticed down to 1mg and less you can for damn sure feel a bit of something.

Luckily I have not had my .5 intranasal dose in a good while. I am FINISHED for good .

It took me a long time to create such a high tolerance and it took even longer (to me) coming off subs, it definitely has its spot in the medicinal cabinet in case I need to cut any sheer agony away. I was on opiates and opioids soo long that it took a long time to un-opiate myself and be ok in the skin I'm in.

I also think maturity plays a big part. I went a very long time wanting to get high then it turned into despair or trying to feel normal - KNOWING i will probably need to opiates/subs every day for the rest of my life.. If anyone reads this thread and sees it as a way to stay fucked up 24/7 - i wish you the best. But for those seeing this as a possible way out, it is very much possible too. ~ ultimately it was this balance act that got my shit SLOWLY together and learning that it IS OK TO FEEL AGAIN. Psychedelics helped me immensely and seriously feel without it, I would not be able to see through this haze and find sobriety.

"The weed is guaranteed, indeed, JUST WHAT I NEED"- kid cudi

"It's like a fiend that finally see's when all the dope is gone-my nerves are wrecked, heart beating and my hands are swollen, thinking of the g's I be holding'- 2pac

 

[Ballu]

Thats how my experience has been as well! Im sure there's some negative effects to it, and over a long period of time, surely it might not be great for your receptors. But for a few days or weeks occasionally, it's never caused a problem. I typically burn out and stop before my tolerance builds up much, and then as you said, there's no withdrawals. I might up the suboxone by a very small margin when Im no longer going to be using any opioids but that's it. I personally just like to feel 'normal' throughout the day, and then if I feel like getting a buzz, do it, without the feeling that I need to use opioids all day every day like when I was abusing them badly, and that's the main benefit to this for me

If you do end up increasing your Suboxone dose, and continue with your opioid use.. make sure to update this thread with any change in results. I always used the bare minimum, and it worked well.

I really got the idea from being in the hospital, and they were giving me my suboxone everyday, but during and after my surgery, they were giving me an increased dose of Dilaudid for a few days for the pain. And while I didn't feel the normal buzz of the Dilaudid, it still helped a great deal with the pain.. which gave me the idea that if I decreased my suboxone dose, that I might still be able to feel it more.. and sure enough, using suboxone at a micro dose, it allowed the effects of the Dilaudid to hit much harder. Not full on, but still much better then when I was on my regular suboxone dosage.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

That is a trick that works alright-- even at 1-2 mg after 24 hours or so.

Just dont let your dosage on either increase and congrats!

 

[Ballu]

That is a trick that works alright-- even at 1-2 mg after 24 hours or so.

Just dont let your dosage on either increase and congrats!

Ahh, OK. So even at 1 - 2mg, one should still be safe. That's nice to know. I'm actually at that stage, where I want to decrease my suboxone dosage.

I've been on Suboxone for over a decade, and while im prescribed the max(8mg x 4 times a day), I don't actually take anywhere near that much. I take 1 to 2, 8mg strips a day. I would really like to start to decrease this amount, as I want to get myself in the direction of eventually getting off it for good, and I know the higher the daily dosage im at, the more difficult it will be to get off. So better for me to start tapering down from now.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Well at 2mg I think my buzz was pretty dulled at 24 hours -- at the time I had access to high amounts of IV morphine diluadid and h though so blasting through wasnt a problem

1mg is about where I would put it if you want basically full opioid effects --- now it seems like some meds (Hydrocodone,oxycodone in particular for me) seem to never get there glow back after suboxone. I think it has to do with binding affinity

8mg 4x daily -- damn I thought 2 8's was pretty excessive. Make sure to keep a parachute stash for when you honestly wanna taper off -- if that is ever a plan at least

 

[Ballu]

8mg 4x daily -- damn I thought 2 8's was pretty excessive. Make sure to keep a parachute stash for when you honestly wanna taper off -- if that is ever a plan at least

The funny about the dose im at now, the doctor didn't intentionally subscribe me this much. He initially had me at 2 x 8mg a day, and I ended up missing one of my appointments. When they rescheduled me and I made it back in to see the doctor, he accidentally prescribed me 4 x 8mg a day as it was the end of the day and they squeezed me in as a last appointment so I could get my script. I was beyond surprised when I went to the pharmacy to pickup my script to be getting that much.

On my next appointment, he attempted to prescribe me at my original prescribed dose, but the addict in me took advantage of the situation and told him that he increased my dose on our previous appointment due to ongoing pain issues I had been having.. and surprisingly he just went with it.

He's an older man, has to be in his 60s.. and probably assumed that he forgot to write it down in his notes. But either way, he didn't even question it when I said it. He was already aware of the pain issues I had been having, and continued prescribing me at 4 x 8mg from that day on, as he could see in the computer that he indeed prescribed me that much the previous visit.. there just wasn't any notes about him changing it in his computer.

So ever since that day I've been at 4 x 8mg ..this is why I don't actually take that much.. I just pick that much up every month. I have an upcoming surgery in June.. after the surgery, I plan to start tapering myself off suboxone. I've been on it long enough. I don't have cravings to use anymore, and I believe mentally im more mature then I used to be and am not willing to throw away everything I've accomplished since getting sober. Don't get me wrong, talking about past usage and reminiscing on the things I used to do.. does give me the slight urge to want to use, but I know better.. and as I said, im not willing to throw away everything I've worked hard on since getting sober. Nowadays I just smoke weed occasionally, and even that I've cut down on a lot.

 

[Halif2]

32mg per day?!

Bloody hell. I know you aren't taking all of that (thank god) and that you are planning to taper off suboxone. Do it properly and get it done on the first attempt. Opioid WDs are not something you want to experience many times.

With all the subs youve' got, you should be able to do a comfortable taper. Just beware suboxone doesn't let you go easily. Even when you're only taking a tiny bit per day, the problem is when you stop completely. Like a monster waiting for you at the end of the journey.

 

[aspiringchemist]

I did this for a long time. As long as you keep the bupe dose low enough it won’t interfere with the opioids. The problem I ran into eventually was wanting to take opioids in the morning and/or getting some withdrawal symptoms in the morning but that was with fentanyl…

I used morphine alongside bupe in the manner your speaking of many times. Ime it doesn’t start to block until about 2mg. It’s just that low dose bupe doesn’t do all that much but I agree there’s a nice short lived euphoria from it. Much better than the 8mg docs put us on.

 

[aspiringchemist]

At one point when I was using fetty I was taking subs at the same time and when I was out of fetty I wouldn’t go into withdrawal as long as I continued to keep the bupe amount in my blood at a consistent amount

I’ve experienced this as well at a 16mg daily dose of subs

 

[Ballu]

32mg per day?!

Bloody hell. I know you aren't taking all of that (thank god) and that you are planning to taper off suboxone. Do it properly and get it done on the first attempt. Opioid WDs are not something you want to experience many times.

With all the subs youve' got, you should be able to do a comfortable taper. Just beware suboxone doesn't let you go easily. Even when you're only taking a tiny bit per day, the problem is when you stop completely. Like a monster waiting for you at the end of the journey.

Yeah, I'm actually dreading the day that I start to taper off it.. as everyone I've spoken to about it or that I have heard speak about it has said it's hell. How long after I stop completely do you think I'll be looking at with w/d? I've heard some people say it can last several weeks, and even after then.. that you still don't get completely right until months after.

I've experienced w/d from both opiates and opiods in my life several times, and even have had to w/d in jail at least 1 or 2 times. So I'm definitely familiar with the effects, I'm just not used to the super long duration. When I was younger, w/d used to last 3 days.. as I got older, it started to last up to 5 days sometimes. I can't imagine having to go thru that crap for several weeks.

 

[NeuroTransmitters]

Yeah, I'm actually dreading the day that I start to taper off it.. as everyone I've spoken to about it or that I have heard speak about it has said it's hell. How long after I stop completely do you think I'll be looking at with w/d? I've heard some people say it can last several weeks, and even after then.. that you still don't get completely right until months after.

I've experienced w/d from both opiates and opiods in my life several times, and even have had to w/d in jail at least 1 or 2 times. So I'm definitely familiar with the effects, I'm just not used to the super long duration. When I was younger, w/d used to last 3 days.. as I got older, it started to last up to 5 days sometimes. I can't imagine having to go thru that crap for several weeks.

I was on same dose of suboxone at one point - I tapered down to about 2mg/day and could not seem to go any lower. Needed that 1mg in the morning and at night. Eventually I learned about the “one and done” with sublocade. My doctor wanted to give me 300mg monthly but I convinced them to give me the 100mg sublocade shot. Had to go back up to 6-8mg/day the week before the shot anyway. I never went through any withdrawals. I’m sure you could taper to like 12mg then get the 300mg then just let that ride. Read about it on Reddit or maybe here - lots of people have success doing it. This was like 18 months ago - I relapsed on oxys and h a few times in the past 6 months so I got back on subs but only like .5mg/day. Prescribed 16mg/day so a 30 day script is like a 3 year supply lol. Like OP I found that lower doses do just as much as higher doses after induction phase.

 

[fuckabout89]

Hello there! I have something I've thought of sharing in a forum like this for a very long time. A system I've been doing that has allowed me to be happy and free, save money, have a normal life, but still use opioids sometimes despite going to rehab 3 times in my life for them. First let me just say this: I've taken some type of opioid at some dose (counting Bupe of course) every day, without ever going into withdrawals, for almost 20 years. Sure, when I was inexperienced, I had several times I ran out and got mildly sick. Night sweats, restless leg, the knee pain, but never throwing up or diarrhea. The main WDs I experienced were mental BY FAR in my lifetime. However even the mental I've avoided for nearly 20 years due to the system of balance and harm reduction that I've been using. I want to share the current system I'm using to give others a new point of view on how to live a life 'mostly clean' but still be able to occasionally enjoy opioids, even if you've been horribly addicted to them in the past like me. I am NOT recommending people try this, please be mindful of harm reduction when it comes to anything related to opioids. Do your own research and be cautious, don't take my word for it. What works for 1 person may not work the same for someone else!

So for a while I would swap between real Opioids and Suboxone. Maybe a year of each, a little more or less, etc. First Suboxone was April 2008 and thats where I start this 'nearly 20 years' I mentioned earlier. However by January 2016, I quit real opioids, and have never TRULY gone back, so I consider myself 'sober' even though I've used hydrocodone/oxycodone plenty of times since then. I actually had gone 5 years without it at all, only being on Sub. I never wanted to use again. I was taking about 0.5mg of Suboxone at the time a day, a very low dose but, if you know Sub, whatever dose you take over a long period of time basically feels like a 'normal dose'.

At this point I had read about people on tiny doses waiting until later in the day and taking opioids still, and getting high. Some said the high was potentiated, some say it wasn't as good with the combo. I tried it. I got buzz but felt more of the physical effects than usual, from a very low dose. I mean there has to be cross tolerance between the two but, I was taking 50mg at once of hydrocodone at 1 point, or mixing 30mg hydro 10mg oxy together, stuff like that. And after being on Sub 0.5 for years. just a 5mg trial dose of Hydrocodone, had a huge effect. So I took 1 dose a day of hydrocodone, while on the Sub, for about a year. Eventually I stopped simply due to just burning out a bit, I quit weed and everything and went on a health kick. By this point I was taking just 0.25 mg a day of Suboxone. I pretty much got normal feelings from smaller Hydro doses of 15-20mg while on the 0.25.

So 2 years passed by and I was given a large quantity of oxy/hydro from a long time friend who of course I know they are legitimately from a pharmacy, as safe as it can be. At this point life wasn't going well and I was actually dealing with pain issues. So I thought, what if I REALLY tried to cut it down further. I don't want to take opioids ALL DAY like I used to, but I want to be able to really take a decent dose without interactions from Suboxone at all. Maybe this is just a placebo effect but, when I put the sub in my mouth and taste it, I feel calm. I know I don't need opioids for a while, or all day even. But, if I WANT them, I want to have the choice! So I started cutting the 2mg strips into 12 pieces. Do the math and that's like 0.166mg, give or take maybe 0.01 or 0.02 per, because the strips arent always perfectly even.

We are talking about true microdosing here! For most users, this sounds like a Joke. I realize that. But it works for me. I take it at about 7, and I do my normal daily stuff, wait until about 5, and take a normal hydrocodone dose. Then sleep by 11:30 Even 5mg my first time doing it after 2 years, felt amazing. 3 weeks in and I havent needed more than 10mg at once still, increasing my hydrocodone dose by about 0.25 at a time. I truly am a mathematical nerd when it comes to using lmao. Making ever so careful cuts and slightly increasing my dose over time, to prevent getting really 'higher than i want' and building tolerance fast. This system works for me, and even if it sounds crazy to some people, I wanted to share it. Im barely using any Bupe, minimizing the harm on my body over time. Barely using any Hydrocodone, 1 dose a day, and same thing. I've even had a 2 days where I tested it and got up early and did the sub at 6, then dose 1 at 12, then another at 6, then asleep at my normal time at 11:30. And again, totally fine.

More than anything I believe this works due to the tiny dose of Bupe. I could be wrong but I think it takes at least 2mg of it to FULLY block opioids. And I would never come on here and suggest things for people to try but, if you are going to ever try this, please, don't use over 0.5mg of Sub and don't use anything besides hydrocodone to do it with. Stronger things might not mix as well and risk opioid poisoning if you took a large enough dose. Be mindful of that, we're here to help eachother and share experiences! But This is my life. I hate alcohol. I quit weed. I JUST WANT TO TAKE 1 OPIOID DOSE A DAY AFTER WORK! In place of beer or weed like a 'normal person'. and Placebo or not, this helps me do it, and if anyone else out there does something similar, LET ME KNOW!!! Would love to hear about it!

Thanks for reading and god bless, stay safe and happy!

Eventually rot all your teeth out and end up with dentures I would rather go through the withdrawals.

 

[Ballu]

Eventually rot all your teeth out and end up with dentures I would rather go through the withdrawals.

Subs only rot your teeth if you have soft teeth, or weak teeth. I've been on subs for 15+ years, and my teeth are still as strong as they were when I was 17. I've never had an issue with subs interfering with my teeth. I know plenty of people on subs, and haven't heard them experience that issue neither, it wasn't until I read about some people experiencing it on the internet that I found out that it happend to some.

But if you do your research, you will find that it's less common then you're probably thinking, and majority of people don't ever experience that issue.

 

[Ballu]

I was on same dose of suboxone at one point - I tapered down to about 2mg/day and could not seem to go any lower. Needed that 1mg in the morning and at night. Eventually I learned about the “one and done” with sublocade. My doctor wanted to give me 300mg monthly but I convinced them to give me the 100mg sublocade shot. Had to go back up to 6-8mg/day the week before the shot anyway. I never went through any withdrawals. I’m sure you could taper to like 12mg then get the 300mg then just let that ride. Read about it on Reddit or maybe here - lots of people have success doing it. This was like 18 months ago - I relapsed on oxys and h a few times in the past 6 months so I got back on subs but only like .5mg/day. Prescribed 16mg/day so a 30 day script is like a 3 year supply lol. Like OP I found that lower doses do just as much as higher doses after induction phase.

Is the shot a one, and done? Or do you need to go back for it every month for a few months? I read about someone on here having it done, and they reported back good results. For the most part, im outside the loop of the drug culture.. so im not really familiar with all the advances. But this definitely sounds like the best way for me to get off subs for good.