Truffles in the UK

[swampdragon]

I'd probably concur that mushies have a deeper emotional depth to them. Acid has always felt more like mind candy to me. It sends me on flights of fancy and fits of giggles and surrounds me with pretty things but it doesn't have quite the emotional impact a mushroom trip can. I suspect that may well be why I shy away from heavier mushroom doses.

Yep, this, definitely. ^ Acid tends to bring out a sort of playful/fun energy in me.. shrooms have always been more thoughtful/introspective.

 

[Shambles]

Acid has never once gone wobbly one me - never turned dark or even really hinted at doing so - but mushrooms feel like they could rip my head off in a heartbeat if I looked at 'em wrong. Not meaning they feel threatening by any means, just that they feel powerful in a way that acid doesn't to me. And not saying that acid feels in any way "weak" (it doesn't) so much as it feel carefree and gentle and like it just wants to play, show you pretty things, and maybe show you a lil more along the way if you're up for it. Mushies feel like they like to play but also feel like they can and will give you a damn good talking too if they deem it necessary.

(is hard not to personify psyches sometimes - they have such distinct personalities - but am aware such things irk some. irked me too for quite some time but they really do have personalities and i feel i know many of them well enough to be overfamiliar with them in such fashion sometimes)

 

[swampdragon]

Yeah, am completely the same. Never had a particularly bad experience with either, but shrooms have more of a tendency to turn a bit randomly dark/edgy. Still love them both, though.

 

[Shambles]

I am concurrent on both parts.

 

[Mental Kenny]

Steady on Kenneth, they don't have "dozens", they have 3. And two of those are in far lower quantities than psilocybin. Bearing in mind the power of psilocybin it's like standing under Niagra falls and claiming you can detect a bloke pissing into it as it falls.

Indian, Cambodian, Thai, Colombian

Are you saying you can detect the difference between different strains of cubensis? I'm gonna have to take issue with that Ken. I'm absolutely positive 100% that I could dry and capsule different strains of cubensis, give them to you and you wouldn't have a fucking clue which is which. I was talking to a Dutch guy who grew mushrooms back in the day and he said the "strain" bollocks was just marketing hype - all they did was pick them at different times and then go "Lets call those indians". It's basic marketing - you sell more if you put them in a different wrapper than if you keep the same old boring wrapper.

contain DMT in small doses

Even if they did it wouldn't make any difference - DMT is deactivated when taken orally. You could eat a gram of DMT and unless you take an MAOI you won't feel a fucking thing.

Since then I never ate shrooms again, only soup

Still tastes like shit tho. Capsuled you've no taste and can make your dose as accurate as you like.

The only shrooms that I always found weak at the mental level were the Mexican and the truffles

No, no, no Ken. I can assure you with my trusted dried and capsuled technique so you'd no idea what you were getting mexicans would blow your arsehole to the moon and back. Truffles too. The problem with taking them as soup is that you always know what you're getting - so you go into with a certain mindset and the mindset comes true.

For years I believed the bollocks that "truffles arn't as visual as cubensis". I had two jars filled with capsules in the freezer. Then one day I thought I'd taken the cubensis and had the most visual trip I'd ever had. When I checked the next day I realised I'd taken capsules from the truffles jar. That demolished any theories I had about "differences" and made me aware of the power of placebomine.

I completely disagree with you man, Mushrooms have different strains and sub-strains, the head of Thai and Cambodian mushrooms looks completely different to that of Colombian and they always do, even when you grow them under different conditions, if you don't believe me just buy some spores and see the difference yourself, when I was growing them I grew some Nepalese cubensis, their head looked completely different to that of other mushrooms.

If your theory that all the different strain thing was just marketing, then how comes the head of a Thai cubensis is always round, always, while the head of a Nepalese looks like the hat of a witch, if what you're saying was true then all cubensis would look exactly the same, but they don't.

Mate there are several books out there on mushrooms, they do have different ratios of active ingredients that can affect the trip, even if those other active alkaloids are in small doses.

Thai mushrooms have a certain aspect and certain chemical profile, which is different from other varieties of cubensis from other parts of the world.

This blind test thing is bollocks, trust me I've had enough shrooms in my fridge that more often than not I didn't even know what I was eating, a dose of copelandia would make me trip out like crazy for 8 hours, that's not me convincing myself the strain is stronger, it is stronger, I've eaten huge quantities of both Mexican and truffles and never achieved anything even remotely close to what I got from other strains.

If different strains of cubensis look very different between each other then we can assume they also have a different balance of active ingredients. Anyway those other alkaloids do affect the trip, I've read reports of people consuming pure psilocibyn and saying the trip was different than a mushroom trip.

Furthermore I'm very aware that DMT is inactive orally, I used to brew Ayahuasca, it was just to make an example that different strains have different chemical profiles, with some even containing DMT.

By the way I have used a couple of grams of dried copelandia after pre-loading with Syrian Rue, it blew me away. More so than the time I did the same with cubensis.

It's the same with the poppy plant, it's all p.somniferum yet strains grown in some parts of the world have higher thebaine content, other have higher morphine content, some others have more codeine. All of this naturally. Same plant, yet in some parts of the world the flowers are red while somewhere else they are white, hand in hand with the phisical aspect changes the chemical composition.

By the way I never made a soup out of truffles, only with proper shrooms.

I have in the past made capsules of dried copelandia, big fucking capsules, could fit almost a gram of dried mushroom in them, those were ace.

 

[spudgun]

Incidentally, when I was over there, they were marketing several different strains of truffles at the head shops (with top-trumps style meters of visuals, insight, giggles, epiphanies [or some such wank] etc.). I tried a few of them. There definitely were differences between the strains on a weight by weight basis. The one which was hyped as the most intense (all bars at max, took two years to grow by artisans, "only for experienced psychonauts!", blah blah blah), definitely produced the most intense visual trip I'd ever experienced, but was so nauseating I reckon I puked it up too soon and it tailed off very quickly after.

I tried another few which were a lot more mellow and recreational (though still very visual) and I had a good 6-7 hours of consistent tripping.

I had put these differences down to the relative concentration of psilocybin in the different fungi, but I'm not going to pretend to know enough about the science of this to take a definite stance.

 

[Ismene]

But the principal psychoactive in mexicans is still psilocybin - if you eat enough then how can they not make you trip hard?

I'm not sure about the chemical constituents argument Ken - just because you can detect different chemicals in the lab does that automatically mean that your brain can detect them all? And not only that but it can detect them all while it's being assaulted by a tremendously powerful psychedelic like psilocybin? Psilocybin is by far the biggest constitutent in all magic mushrooms isn't it? All the others are only present in far lesser amounts.

Copelandia is a different species rather than a strain of cubensis so I agree it will be more powerful by weight than the equivalent weight of cubes.

Taking mushrooms with moclobemide is one of my faves - I find it pretty much indistuingishable from oral DMT and moclo. Only without the nausea.