Truffles in the UK

[spudgun]

I had a quick search, but couldn't see anything - sorry if this is covered elsewhere.

Just wanted to check whether anyone has ordered truffles from the Netherlands? I've recently came back from the dam and had a couple of really impressive experiences with them - they seem to be a lot more potent than when I last tried them years ago. I'm just not entirely sure what their legal status is in the UK?

Thanks

 

[Shambles]

They were legal when I last looked into them but that was several years ago. Was after the mushroom laws were tightened up though. Just checked and still legal and available from UK sources. And just double-checked and source was out of date. They are illegal - Class A. Relevant section of the Drugs Act 2005 here. And apparently my memory is shit. Or my mushie sources were a bit naughty. Possibly a bit of both.

“Fungus (of any kind) which contains psilocin or an ester of psilocin”

Would cover truffles too as they are actually just a form of psilocybin/psilocin-containing cubensis (go check mushie forums for more specifically accurate info on exactly what they are but they're the same species just been slightly... interfered with to make them fruit underground instead forming more traditional mushroom caps afaik... they are fungus that contain psilocybin and psilocin though which is enough to make them Class A).

Never gotten around to trying them myself but always fancied a go to compare with their more common counterparts. As with all things mushie, aficionados will swear up and down there are significant differences but most average users don't seem to be able to spot the significance of those supposed differences quite so well. I tend to be of the opinion there are subtle differences between various mushroom species but they're not really all that major. Would need to sample more mushrooms to confirm or deny this hypothesis, naturally. Tough job but...

 

[Ismene]

Yep - class A. The bastards made it "anything containing psilocybin" so they could ban mycelium-based growkits as well.

I always found them to be exactly the same as mushrooms.

 

[spudgun]

Ah, okay - thanks a lot guys. Not going to be ordering in any great quantities soon then...

Yeah, to me they were just the same as mushies, probably more intense by weight actually (bit nauseating though IME).

 

[swampdragon]

Yep - class A. The bastards made it "anything containing psilocybin" so they could ban mycelium-based growkits as well.

Yeah, I've not seen any mycelium available in the UK, only spores.. haven't looked that closely though. (And agreed, bastards.)

 

[cosmiccars]

Gutted you can't get them here. Went to Holland for my stag weekend (Rotterdam) and spent 48 hours munching them like bar snacks with copious amounts of booze and 7 of my best friends and it was one of the most spiritual and happy weekends of my life. Wonderful.

 

[Mental Kenny]

They feel a lot like 4-HO-MET, did them a fair few times when they were legal in London, very recreational, visual but easy on the mind, never had mind blowing trips on them, not even on heavy doses, strong visuals but no depth or spiritual awakenings.

The most I've taken is two 15 gram boxes on my own, they almost seemed to have a ceiling effect as the trip wasn't that much stronger than the times I did the 20 gram boxes.

There was a place in Camden that used to sell them very cheap as they weren't very popular, with most people buying shrooms, I bought quite a few boxes that were half price as you had to discard half of the box's contents due to mold. Always found them much milder than mushrooms.

The first time I ever went to Fabric I was on truffles as I had been in Camden that afternoon, went in the club and started doing pills, that was my DrumandBase baptism, the first time in my life I heard DnB, a few weeks after I had moved to London in autumn 2003.

Massive night that was, I will always remember, the fucking sounds, I wasn't used to that type of music at all, tripping with all these people around me was weird and alien then when the first pill kicked in it was majestic. One of the best nights of my life

Last time I did them was in Amsterdam, great trip, it was lovely weather and we just sat at the park looking at the ducks in the small lake.

 

[spudgun]

Aye - you're right, they are a bit lightweight on the mental side of things (just like Mushrooms, IME), but they are lusciously visual. I was really only looking forward to going round the Tate on them TBH, they would have been perfect. Ah well... bastards.

 

[Ismene]

Any difference between them and mushrooms is just placebomine. The active principal on both truffs and shrooms is psilocybin.

 

[Shambles]

Any difference between them and mushrooms is just placebomine. The active principal on both truffs and shrooms is psilocybin.

Nice to see placebomine making a comeback - had missed that word

 

[Mental Kenny]

Aye - you're right, they are a bit lightweight on the mental side of things (just like Mushrooms, IME), but they are lusciously visual. I was really only looking forward to going round the Tate on them TBH, they would have been perfect. Ah well... bastards.

We clearly haven't done the same strains. Mushrooms for me can be the deepest, most profound, meaningful trips the world of psychedelia has to offer.

Indian, Cambodian, Thai, Colombian, Hawaian(copelandia) all gave me at the 20 gram fresh dose range some incredibly deep trips at the mental level, matter of fact I think one of the most reality-shattering experiences I ever had was on 20 grams of fresh Indian mushrooms bought in Bethnal Green. Made into a soup with mildly warm water, covered and let sim for half a day.

Only Ayahuasca and liquid acid have given me trips that can rival what I felt on those strains of mushrooms.

The only shrooms that I always found weak at the mental level were the Mexican and the truffles. All the others, at the right dose and the right preparation(soup), gave me amazingly spirtual trips that have affected the way I view reaility and live my life.

 

[Mental Kenny]

Any difference between them and mushrooms is just placebomine. The active principal on both truffs and shrooms is psilocybin.

Complete bollocks, mushrooms have dozens of active ingredients all affecting the trip, you have no way to know what other active alkaloids in the truffle make them smoother on the mental side than other strains of mushrooms, for all we know they could contain other ingredients that inhibit the absorbtion of psilocybin, or that make your body produce some pro-drugs, whatever.

Pure psilocybin and mushrooms are two diferent things.

Hawayan mushrooms, copelandia cyanescens, contain DMT in small doses and even traces of serotonin, mushrooms are incredibly more complex that psilocybin itself.

 

[spudgun]

We clearly haven't done the same strains. Mushrooms for me can be the deepest, most profound, meaningful trips the world of psychedelia has to offer.

Indian, Cambodian, Thai, Colombian, Hawaian(copelandia) all gave me at the 20 gram fresh dose range some incredibly deep trips at the mental level, matter of fact I think one of the most reality-shattering experiences I ever had was on 20 grams of fresh Indian mushrooms bought in Bethnal Green. Made into a soup with mildly warm water, covered and let sim for half a day.

Only Ayahuasca and liquid acid have given me trips that can rival what I felt on those strains of mushrooms.

The only shrooms that I always found weak at the mental level were the Mexican and the truffles. All the others, at the right dose and the right preparation(soup), gave me amazingly spirtual trips that have affected the way I view reaility and live my life.

Well, when you could buy them legally in this country I remember trying quite a few strains and they were all much of a muchness to me. Since then it's been liberty caps. I just find in each case I get the giggles and visuals and that's about it. The most pronounced mental effect is sometimes, unfortunately, intense depression towards the tail-end, but I don't lose a grip on things. Perhaps I'm not doing enough, but there seems to be a finite amount I can ingest without puking it all back up (and I normally have a really strong stomach for other things).

I've no doubt others get more out of it - some guy we knew at Uni ended up getting a messiah complex, having to be sectioned and put on antipsychotics for the rest of his life when they were legal, so they must affect others more profoundly.

 

[Mental Kenny]

^ROA is vital with shrooms, I wasted a whole year of shroom legality, between 2003 and 2004 chewing my mushrooms, then another Italian fella living in London told me to stop wasting them and just make the soup.

The first soup blew me away, same amount and same strain as my previous trip, easily twice as strong. Obviously I used water that was warm but not too much, covered the pot and let simmer for hours. Squashed the liquid in my mouth as if it were mouthwash before swallowing.

Up in 15 minutes, with visuals so strong I could barely recognize my uni hall rooms.

Since then I never ate shrooms again, only soup. It makes the active ingredients easier to absorb, especially if you hold the liquid in your mouth, the mucose in your mouth absorbs stuff well, it's seriously mindblowing how stronger a soup is compared to chewing and eating.

 

[Shambles]

Don't think I've ever made tea (or soup if you prefer) from cubensis but I find it to be the opposite way around comparing tea to just munching as is when using Libbies. I seem to get far stronger effects eating the mushrooms whole but as they make me retch (can't stand the taste of mushroomy mushrooms - Libbies I find taste mostly of mud so less of an issue for me) I tend to disguise them with summat or other. I find mushies to be a very intense experience and wouldn't go near some of the doses many use quite happily. Acid, on t'other hand, I can munch to my s content and be just dandy. Mushies I'm a lot more cautious with. YMMV and all that as ever.

 

[spudgun]

See, that's the opposite to me. I find Acid to be a lot more of a headfuck, which can be very good or very bad - but consequently I'm a lot more wary of it. How much of this is a self-fulfilling prophecy (i.e. I'm wary of it, so it amplifies the experience) I do not know.

 

[Shambles]

I'm pretty sure there have been lengthy threads on the topic over in PD as is a bit of a hardy perennial of swirlstuff debate. Does seem to me that there are "Acid People" and "Mushroom People" at least to some extent and degree. There may also be actual mushroom people but that would be a whole other topic.

 

[Ismene]

Complete bollocks, mushrooms have dozens of active ingredients all affecting the trip

Steady on Kenneth, they don't have "dozens", they have 3. And two of those are in far lower quantities than psilocybin. Bearing in mind the power of psilocybin it's like standing under Niagra falls and claiming you can detect a bloke pissing into it as it falls.

Indian, Cambodian, Thai, Colombian

Are you saying you can detect the difference between different strains of cubensis? I'm gonna have to take issue with that Ken. I'm absolutely positive 100% that I could dry and capsule different strains of cubensis, give them to you and you wouldn't have a fucking clue which is which. I was talking to a Dutch guy who grew mushrooms back in the day and he said the "strain" bollocks was just marketing hype - all they did was pick them at different times and then go "Lets call those indians". It's basic marketing - you sell more if you put them in a different wrapper than if you keep the same old boring wrapper.

contain DMT in small doses

Even if they did it wouldn't make any difference - DMT is deactivated when taken orally. You could eat a gram of DMT and unless you take an MAOI you won't feel a fucking thing.

Since then I never ate shrooms again, only soup

Still tastes like shit tho. Capsuled you've no taste and can make your dose as accurate as you like.

The only shrooms that I always found weak at the mental level were the Mexican and the truffles

No, no, no Ken. I can assure you with my trusted dried and capsuled technique so you'd no idea what you were getting mexicans would blow your arsehole to the moon and back. Truffles too. The problem with taking them as soup is that you always know what you're getting - so you go into with a certain mindset and the mindset comes true.

For years I believed the bollocks that "truffles arn't as visual as cubensis". I had two jars filled with capsules in the freezer. Then one day I thought I'd taken the cubensis and had the most visual trip I'd ever had. When I checked the next day I realised I'd taken capsules from the truffles jar. That demolished any theories I had about "differences" and made me aware of the power of placebomine.

 

[Ismene]

Nice to see placebomine making a comeback - had missed that word

It is one of the greatest, it also has a close chemical cousin nor-placebomine :D

Acid, on t'other hand, I can munch to my s content and be just dandy. Mushies I'm a lot more cautious with

Must admit I've always found shrooms more comfortable in higher doses than acid. When mushrooms were legal I overdid it a bit - tripping every week for years. Developed what seems to be a permanent tolerance. Even if I don't take them for years my basic dose is still 12-14 dried grams of cubensis.

Always found mushrooms let you access deeper emotions too - I almost always cry on shrooms where crying on acid is a rarity.

 

[Shambles]

It is one of the greatest, it also has a close chemical cousin nor-placebomine :D

Yeah but too much of that means having your spleen replaced.

I'm well aware my mushie doses are very tame compared to many. 12-14g wet is pushing it for me even with cubes (which I find less intense than Libbies). I too munched a shitload when they were legal - used to grow 'em on my radiator (dunno whether that's a Good or a Bad Thing but they grew just dandy so either way is fine by me) and would trip on 'em at least once or twice weekly. Was what got me through my acute post-addiction phase. I honestly don't think I'd've coped otherwise. Gave me a million and one reasons to live and to see what life had to offer beyond the needle and the bag. The timing of whoever it was re-reading the laws in regards mushies and having a lightbulb moment was just perfect for me.

I'd probably concur that mushies have a deeper emotional depth to them. Acid has always felt more like mind candy to me. It sends me on flights of fancy and fits of giggles and surrounds me with pretty things but it doesn't have quite the emotional impact a mushroom trip can. I suspect that may well be why I shy away from heavier mushroom doses. I'm well aware I have certain... issues in the emotional (also psychological) sense that LSD doesn't fuck with but does allow me to explore gently and at mind's length. Mushies can feel a bit too close to home at times which is probably why I stick with doses I find comfortable and (for the most part) recreational. One day I'm sure I'll be more able to go deeper with mushrooms but I'm aware they can fuck with me in ways acid never will.