SWIM is having trouble smoking enough DMT to break through. SWIM is using a glass pipe and inserting it into a plastic bottle like a bong with water in the bottom. There is no trouble vaporizing the DMT, there is enough smoke, but actually smoking it is causing them to cough and almost puke making it very hard to get enough in the lungs and holding it long enough for the full effect.. The first hit is ok, but the second causes them to cough where it is very hard to get another hit in. Is this a common thing and are there other ways in which the smoke is less harsh on the throat. There is also a burning sensation on the tongue that happens. Is it better to try to smoke a lot in one hit, like brew a bunch of smoke and take a large hit fast or do long, very slow hits?
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Trouble with DMT
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sekio
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If you're having issues with the taste of the smoke, taking one big hit is better than many small ones.
By the way, we don't SWIM here.
By the way, we don't SWIM here.
dan k
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try it on top or sandwiched in between some really potent, flavorful weed.
if you can kill the whole bowl in 1 hit, id say thats the way to go.
also, myself and many friends have noticed the effects multiply just by laying down flat on your back after you are done with your hit(s) and hold the smoke in until you cant anymore.
if you can kill the whole bowl in 1 hit, id say thats the way to go.
also, myself and many friends have noticed the effects multiply just by laying down flat on your back after you are done with your hit(s) and hold the smoke in until you cant anymore.
I've tried the sandwich method before with about 30 lg dmt and some weed on top but I didn't break through that way. Is there any other spice that's pretty good at minimizing the harshness of the smoke? Sometimes I think I have a high tolerance for psychedelics in general . Also, I was wondering does the extraction method have anything to do with how the smoke would interact with your throat?
phenethylo J
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I usually sandwich it between some mint leafs or basil in a bowl which helps with the taste and prevents the flame from touching the dmt. I don't like mixing dmt with weed unless I'm mixing the dmt with other psychs and/or dissosociatives since I find it sets up a road block that prevents me from going all the way out there.
.:Holy::Toast:.
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Ii had problems breaking through until I used a bong with the dmt sandwiched between ashes.
You don't need a torch lighter but it makes it that muh easier.
If you're using a bic just toke lightly not letting the flame touch the ashes until it starts to smoke, then exhale and start again sing the same technique, the smoke should come quickly now.
The important part here is to be quick and precise with how hard you inhale.
You usually have to use a few tokes to get a breakthrough dose
You don't need a torch lighter but it makes it that muh easier.
If you're using a bic just toke lightly not letting the flame touch the ashes until it starts to smoke, then exhale and start again sing the same technique, the smoke should come quickly now.
The important part here is to be quick and precise with how hard you inhale.
You usually have to use a few tokes to get a breakthrough dose
Deinonychus
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^^ Ashes work well. As strange as this may sound, I find the most effective way to smoke DMT out of an ordinary weed pipe is to do the following:
First, select a small piece of bud that is just big enough that it won't get sucked through the hole in the bottom of the bowl. It should be small enough that it doesn't entirely block the passage of air through that same aperture. So it has to be not too bit but not too small, at a size dictated by the diameter of the hole at the bottom of the bowl where you put the materials to be smoked.
Now put that bud in the bottom of the empty bowl in such a way that it would act as an impediment to things getting sucked through the hole into your mouth or into the bong-water. Follow that up with a single layer of bud that is torn into the smallest pieces imaginable. This layer of bud should be enough so as to completely cover the bottom of the bowl, but only in a single layer so there is still plenty of room in the bowl.
On top of that single layer of bud, place ashes from the last time you smoked weed, and sprinkle in a few more pieces of bud town into the tiniest pieces possible. On top of the ashes put another layer of weed torn into the smallest bits you can. At this point the bowl should be two-thirds full, with (from the bottom moving upward) a single nugget to block the hole in the bottom center of the bowl to prevent weed bits and ashes from pulling through, then a layer of bud in the smallest pieces possible, then a layer of bud-ashes from a previous smoke session, then another layer of weed torn into the smallest bits possible.
A grinder works wonders for getting the bud into the aforementioned smallest possible pieces.
On top of this second layer of shredded weed, place the nuggets of golden DMT. Surround them with ashes so as to create a level surface, upon which you will put another layer of shredded bud. Finally, top this all off with ashes, and then with some more shredded weed.
This should result in a bowl-load that completely fills the bowl and bulges slightly upward in the center, so as to be slightly taller than the bowl in the middle of the sandwich. The DMT will be a third of the way down, and there should be at least one layer of ashes and two layers of shredded weed (separated by those ashes) below the DMT. This way when the DMT melts it will melt first onto the weed, and then onto the ashes, forming a sticky sort of conglomerate of weed and ash and molten DMT.
The material on top of the DMT serves to protect the goods. The weed on top of the DMT will be what is directly exposed to the heat of the flame (don't put the flame directly onto it, keep the flame mostly away from this top layer of weed and let the heat light the top layer when you inhale) and after the first hit the material on top should remain lot, so that you only need to bring the flame in close proximity to the sandwich once, with the resulting lit weed performing the heating function for subsequent hits, using the lighter only to relight the top layer if it goes out.
Obviously the more commodious the bowl the better for this purpose. Smoking DMT out of a normal weed bowl isn't ideal, but oftentimes is the only method easily at hand, and will serve its purpose well enough should a vaporizer or an oil pipe not be easily found for those of us that are not in a big city (and even here in Chicago, while tubular glass for crack pipes or regular glass weed bowls are easily found, oil pipes are much less available).
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I see mention of not wanting to smoke your DMT with the complicating factor of an additional marijuana high. All I can say is that in my experience, leaves of mint or whatever else plant matter are too dry and too thin, and burn through essentially entirely from the first hit, and ashes alone both fails to provide enough protection from heat for the DMT and also has insufficient conglomeration ability. That is to say that the ashes are not enough of an impediment to the melted DMT, so that some of it will undoubtably get pulled through the hole in the bottom of the bowl (and ashes alone also will pull through that bottom hole themselves quite readily on the first hit as well, leaving insufficient material to soak up the molten DMT and getting nasty ashes in your mouth or bong-water).
The only effective material for smoking DMT in an ordinary weed pipe is, well, weed, in my experience. Layering weed and ashes and using a small nugget to partially block the hole at the bottom of the bowl are both innovations upon the theme of weed sandwiching DMT that I have invented. Partly blocking the hole at the bottom of the bowl with a moderately small nugget allows you to pull harder and get more smoke without sucking shit into your mouth or into the bong, and layering ashes is designed to allow the conglomeration of the DMT and the weed with a suitable filler material. In this conglomeration the weed serves to soak up the molten DMT, and the ashes both ensures the DMT only goes onto the surface of the weed, not soaking in further, and also absorbs some DMT itself, allowing a moderate flow rate of molten DMT instead of too little flow (all weed) or too much (only ashes).
Hope this helps! Good luck, and have fun!
First, select a small piece of bud that is just big enough that it won't get sucked through the hole in the bottom of the bowl. It should be small enough that it doesn't entirely block the passage of air through that same aperture. So it has to be not too bit but not too small, at a size dictated by the diameter of the hole at the bottom of the bowl where you put the materials to be smoked.
Now put that bud in the bottom of the empty bowl in such a way that it would act as an impediment to things getting sucked through the hole into your mouth or into the bong-water. Follow that up with a single layer of bud that is torn into the smallest pieces imaginable. This layer of bud should be enough so as to completely cover the bottom of the bowl, but only in a single layer so there is still plenty of room in the bowl.
On top of that single layer of bud, place ashes from the last time you smoked weed, and sprinkle in a few more pieces of bud town into the tiniest pieces possible. On top of the ashes put another layer of weed torn into the smallest bits you can. At this point the bowl should be two-thirds full, with (from the bottom moving upward) a single nugget to block the hole in the bottom center of the bowl to prevent weed bits and ashes from pulling through, then a layer of bud in the smallest pieces possible, then a layer of bud-ashes from a previous smoke session, then another layer of weed torn into the smallest bits possible.
A grinder works wonders for getting the bud into the aforementioned smallest possible pieces.
On top of this second layer of shredded weed, place the nuggets of golden DMT. Surround them with ashes so as to create a level surface, upon which you will put another layer of shredded bud. Finally, top this all off with ashes, and then with some more shredded weed.
This should result in a bowl-load that completely fills the bowl and bulges slightly upward in the center, so as to be slightly taller than the bowl in the middle of the sandwich. The DMT will be a third of the way down, and there should be at least one layer of ashes and two layers of shredded weed (separated by those ashes) below the DMT. This way when the DMT melts it will melt first onto the weed, and then onto the ashes, forming a sticky sort of conglomerate of weed and ash and molten DMT.
The material on top of the DMT serves to protect the goods. The weed on top of the DMT will be what is directly exposed to the heat of the flame (don't put the flame directly onto it, keep the flame mostly away from this top layer of weed and let the heat light the top layer when you inhale) and after the first hit the material on top should remain lot, so that you only need to bring the flame in close proximity to the sandwich once, with the resulting lit weed performing the heating function for subsequent hits, using the lighter only to relight the top layer if it goes out.
Obviously the more commodious the bowl the better for this purpose. Smoking DMT out of a normal weed bowl isn't ideal, but oftentimes is the only method easily at hand, and will serve its purpose well enough should a vaporizer or an oil pipe not be easily found for those of us that are not in a big city (and even here in Chicago, while tubular glass for crack pipes or regular glass weed bowls are easily found, oil pipes are much less available).
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I see mention of not wanting to smoke your DMT with the complicating factor of an additional marijuana high. All I can say is that in my experience, leaves of mint or whatever else plant matter are too dry and too thin, and burn through essentially entirely from the first hit, and ashes alone both fails to provide enough protection from heat for the DMT and also has insufficient conglomeration ability. That is to say that the ashes are not enough of an impediment to the melted DMT, so that some of it will undoubtably get pulled through the hole in the bottom of the bowl (and ashes alone also will pull through that bottom hole themselves quite readily on the first hit as well, leaving insufficient material to soak up the molten DMT and getting nasty ashes in your mouth or bong-water).
The only effective material for smoking DMT in an ordinary weed pipe is, well, weed, in my experience. Layering weed and ashes and using a small nugget to partially block the hole at the bottom of the bowl are both innovations upon the theme of weed sandwiching DMT that I have invented. Partly blocking the hole at the bottom of the bowl with a moderately small nugget allows you to pull harder and get more smoke without sucking shit into your mouth or into the bong, and layering ashes is designed to allow the conglomeration of the DMT and the weed with a suitable filler material. In this conglomeration the weed serves to soak up the molten DMT, and the ashes both ensures the DMT only goes onto the surface of the weed, not soaking in further, and also absorbs some DMT itself, allowing a moderate flow rate of molten DMT instead of too little flow (all weed) or too much (only ashes).
Hope this helps! Good luck, and have fun!
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Black Rabbit of Inle
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Passionflower is what I use. I haven't tried mint, although I usually don't have a problem dealing with the DMT smoke on it's own.
effingcustie
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what color is your dmt? i find cleaner dmt (white to light yellow) is a lot less harsh on the lungs than stuff that is darker yellow
dan k
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i have noticed some of the really fine white powder that has almost no smell results in mostly body high and auditory hallucinations. does it smell real strong?
Folley
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Up the dose IMO, 30mg is a little if you're aiming for a full on breakthrough. I'd aim for ~50mg
dan k
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some friends require at least to 100mgs to break through
.:Holy::Toast:.
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Ouch that sucks^
I only need 40mg if I'm in the right mindset
I only need 40mg if I'm in the right mindset
phantomcosmonaut
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Sounds like you're using an inefficient method and then not vaporizing it correctly.
Don't use water- it is a single chemical, nothing is being filtered except DMT, so you aren't making it any smoother, just losing some DMT.
If it tastes like smoke and hurts, then you're smoking it, not vaporizing it. What you want to do is smoke it so that the flame grazes the DMT, DO NOT LET IT TOUCH, you will see it melt and a very smooth vapor forms. Also, trying to get it all in one hit is impossible and a waste, it will serve you better to take a few hits. Friends and I have taken up to 10+ hits from a ~50mg dose, just DO NOT GIVE UP - keep hitting it, it gets easier with experience.
Sandwich method is also very inefficient. The embers are too hot, it's better to do what I just said. And YOU MUST USE A SCREEN with my method. It kind of keeps the DMT within the screen even after it melts, also seems to hold a specific temperature which is perfect for vaporizing the DMT.
This is really the only method that actually works perfectly, just make sure you get it right with holding the flame at a specific distance - if it seems to touch just pull away a bit, if vapor isn't forming (which happens about a 1/4 way through the hit, not immediately) then get a bit closer.
If you have any further questions please ask, and please try this method.
Don't use water- it is a single chemical, nothing is being filtered except DMT, so you aren't making it any smoother, just losing some DMT.
If it tastes like smoke and hurts, then you're smoking it, not vaporizing it. What you want to do is smoke it so that the flame grazes the DMT, DO NOT LET IT TOUCH, you will see it melt and a very smooth vapor forms. Also, trying to get it all in one hit is impossible and a waste, it will serve you better to take a few hits. Friends and I have taken up to 10+ hits from a ~50mg dose, just DO NOT GIVE UP - keep hitting it, it gets easier with experience.
Sandwich method is also very inefficient. The embers are too hot, it's better to do what I just said. And YOU MUST USE A SCREEN with my method. It kind of keeps the DMT within the screen even after it melts, also seems to hold a specific temperature which is perfect for vaporizing the DMT.
This is really the only method that actually works perfectly, just make sure you get it right with holding the flame at a specific distance - if it seems to touch just pull away a bit, if vapor isn't forming (which happens about a 1/4 way through the hit, not immediately) then get a bit closer.
If you have any further questions please ask, and please try this method.
Psyentologist
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I recommend taking a the time and effort to infuse your DiMiTri with some type of herb. IMO the best herb to use is Damiana leaf but there are many others you can use that are easier to acquire.
The only tricky part is getting the right ratio of crystal-leaf but honestly its pretty forgiving as you can just adjust your intake. I have done this several times usually with at least a gram of very light-yellow shards to about 5-6 grams of leaf, each time ending up with product that was strong enough to break-through in 3 or less hits.
Other obvious benefits of this method is being saved from handling crystals every time, more stealthy storage, no meth-pipe required, and less-harsh taste.
What you will need to do this:
Leaf-material
DMT
Iso-alchohol (I used 91% but don't think its too important)
Glass bowl
Stirring instrument
1. Pour you DMT into the glass bowl
2. Add alcohol - amount is not too important, enough to dissolve the crystal and soak the leaf material but not pool at the bottom.
3. Stir the mixture until all of the crystal is completely dissolved.
4. Add Leaf material. Make sure it is broken up well to have an even surface area for more efficient infusion.
5. Mix well. This is where its important to have the right amount of alcohol - you want enough to saturate all the leaf material, but not too much or it will pool at the bottom.
6. Allow alcohol to completely evaporate. Most efficient way I have found is to turn on the exhaust fan above my stove and place the bowl underneath. If you added too much liquid and notice it pooling at the bottom, simply return to stirring the mixture every few minutes or so until the excess liquid is evaporated. I usually let this sit to dry over night at least...I don't smoke it until it is very dry - no moisture at all.
In all this only takes one night of work/waiting to have a lasting supply of hassle-free hyper-space-spice. I don't think I will ever smoke raw crystal again.
When it comes to smoking this stuff, nothing real fancy is required either....I just tend to only let the flame touch the herb just to get it burning on the first hit. On the second and third hit, the flame is rarely required as the leaf will still be smoldering.
For more info and more detailed techs/instructions, just google Changa or cruise on over to the DMTnexus (where all this info was gathered by me).
Tell the elves I said 'Hi.'
The only tricky part is getting the right ratio of crystal-leaf but honestly its pretty forgiving as you can just adjust your intake. I have done this several times usually with at least a gram of very light-yellow shards to about 5-6 grams of leaf, each time ending up with product that was strong enough to break-through in 3 or less hits.
Other obvious benefits of this method is being saved from handling crystals every time, more stealthy storage, no meth-pipe required, and less-harsh taste.
What you will need to do this:
Leaf-material
DMT
Iso-alchohol (I used 91% but don't think its too important)
Glass bowl
Stirring instrument
1. Pour you DMT into the glass bowl
2. Add alcohol - amount is not too important, enough to dissolve the crystal and soak the leaf material but not pool at the bottom.
3. Stir the mixture until all of the crystal is completely dissolved.
4. Add Leaf material. Make sure it is broken up well to have an even surface area for more efficient infusion.
5. Mix well. This is where its important to have the right amount of alcohol - you want enough to saturate all the leaf material, but not too much or it will pool at the bottom.
6. Allow alcohol to completely evaporate. Most efficient way I have found is to turn on the exhaust fan above my stove and place the bowl underneath. If you added too much liquid and notice it pooling at the bottom, simply return to stirring the mixture every few minutes or so until the excess liquid is evaporated. I usually let this sit to dry over night at least...I don't smoke it until it is very dry - no moisture at all.
In all this only takes one night of work/waiting to have a lasting supply of hassle-free hyper-space-spice. I don't think I will ever smoke raw crystal again.
When it comes to smoking this stuff, nothing real fancy is required either....I just tend to only let the flame touch the herb just to get it burning on the first hit. On the second and third hit, the flame is rarely required as the leaf will still be smoldering.
For more info and more detailed techs/instructions, just google Changa or cruise on over to the DMTnexus (where all this info was gathered by me).
Tell the elves I said 'Hi.'
fluffypenguinz7
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Snort like 60 mg then. I've snorted dmt a couple of times and it works even without a MAOI in your body.
I'm pretty sure i'm doing it correctly. Using a oil burner and heating it from the bottom. There is smoke almost instantly after having the lighter underneath it. I let the smoke go into the bottle and use a tube through the top to suck through. Once I start smoking it the first hit is ok but the second one makes me cough. I'm using about 50-60 mg when i did it. The problem isn't the taste of the smoke its how it is interacting with my throat causing me to cough and sometimes gag
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