Trouble getting off on Pods

[Entarra]

First off, I'd like to express my appreciation for this forum. This has been my go-to site for almost any information regarding recreational drug use, and it hasn't let me down yet. This may or may not be the correct place for this post... If it's the latter, please forgive me. Now... onto my most recent endeavor - Poppy Pods.

After reading about them one day I became extremely interested in them, being a long time opiate lover. Countless threads indicated that these legal decorative floral pieces were, in fact, a legitimate source of opiates!

After perusing the net for reputable sources I decided upon one and ordered a batch of 25 large pods. They arrived, looking just as I thought, except stemless and a tad smaller than advertised. However, they were intact and seemingly unaltered (except for the stems). I began the process by removing the seeds and grinding all the pods up and then weighing the flour. In the end I had roughly 28g of fine powder.

Playing it safe as I always do with a new substance, I took two grams of the powder and did what I understood to be the most accepted method of consumption... which was simply bringing about a cup of water almost to a boil, removing it and then adding the powder. I stirred it occasionally for about 10 minutes and then filtered through an extra-fine nylon strainer. I then re-strained it a few times. I added some honey and drank.

No effects.

Disheartened only a little, I waited roughly 2 hours and decided that the dosage was simply too small. At this point I should probably make it clear that although I have used a wide spectrum of opiates, I had not taken any within the last 6 months, and even when I do use opiates it's very sporadic - never any long binges.

The next day, I upped the dosage to 6g, and used the coffee machine method that I had also seen people mention with success, also restraining it twice. I noticed a slight drowsiness that may or may not have been placebo.

At this point I'm fairly perturbed and after waiting a few hours I did up 10g and experienced similar results. I deemed the pods "Bunk"... although I wasn't sure how this could be, as the source was praised by many as "excellent quality".

I ordered another batch of pods from a separate source and they just arrived today, upon which I am sadly reporting that they have resulted in almost exactly the same experience - which is to say, essentially nothing.

Am I missing something here? Every opiate experience of mine in the past has been very pleasurable... Leaving me at a loss for words here.

Any input would be appreciated.

 

[Sentience]

There is no consistency with pod potency. That could have something to do with your experience. You could be spoiled by some really good pods.

Tolerance builds QUICKLY though. Over the course of two years I went from using 5mg of oxy ever 6 hours to 30mg of oxycodone + 30mg of MSContin every 6 hours.

 

[Lady Codone]

Could be the potency, method of brewing, unrealistic expectations, personal body chemistry, cross-tolerance with other opiates or a combination of all five.

I find pods to be much less euphoric than pills. They tend to be more sedating, heavy and "smoothe" (no rapid ascent or comedown) than pills. This could be due to their long-acting nature, which is similar to that of methadone--another less euphoric opiate.

On another note, pod variety is way down right now due to a "drought" that may or may not be DEA-related. Most of the pods are much smaller and uglier than those that were abundant in the beginning of 2010, most of which were Arizona purples. A vendor with good reviews from 9 months ago may not get such good reviews today, so shop around.

 

[Entarra]

@Lady Codone - I did read quite a few posts regarding the pod "drought" of this years harvest, although I assumed this was a an issue of quantity, not quality, I could be mistaken.

And as to my expectations... Well, I admit that after reading countless reports of how lovely and subsequently, addictive these things were I may have held them too high. The only thing I can solidly conclude is that I was just extremely unlucky in that I acquired two similarly low-quality pods from entirely separate vendors (but even enough low-quality pods should produce some effects, no?).

I neglected to mention that upon my second acquisition of pods, they too looked legitimate, full of seeds, strong walls, mostly uniform in size and color - and that I ended up brewing roughly 16g worth of powder and concentrating it into about one cup and downing it approx t+20 after 30mg dxm... The brew was VERY bitter and quite dark. Each time I dosed was on an empty stomach. I even ate some raw pod flour and chased it with down with some OJ.

Karma? This is a real bitch, I'm clueless.

 

[Sentience]

Are you overheating your liquid destroying your active chemicals?

 

[Project Will]

You may need to take a higher dose. I typically make tea using between 20-30g of powder, and I have no opiate tolerance.

To concentrate your tea did you boil it down? As Sentience said, high temperature will destroy morphine, so try not to boil your tea. Everyone has their own method, but I find steeping in hot water (just as with regular tea) for 20+ minutes to work well. I also do three washes on each batch of poppy powder.

Do you grind your pods in a blender? Be sure your poppy grounds are as fine a powder as possible.

 

[Entarra]

No, I realize that morphine and the other various alkaloids contained within the pod flour decompose at ~85c (I'm never bringing the water to a boil), I should have rephrased "concentrating"; i simply meant I was keeping the water volume at roughly one cup despite the flour quantity being added. And yes - I use a coffee grinder on the entire pod batch to ensure uniform potency with each measured dose...

And I am using essentially the same method you described, Will. I'm going to attempt one more brew session later today... However, at this point, I'm not expecting much.

 

[Entarra]

And 20-30g of powder?? Well then... I had seen people on the mega-thread suggesting 2-5 (pods) which could really mean anywhere from .5g - 50g, so that doesn't tell me much. But more specifically I remember Erowid dosages suggest 1-2g threshhold, and 5g+ for opiate users. Obviously this is wayyyyy off. I think the issue here is simply that there's ENTIRELY too many variables with pods. That, and that one thing I read conflicts with six other things I just read. Funny shit.

 

[Project Will]

Measuring by number of pods is pointless, as they vary hugely in weigh. By the gram is far more accurate for dosing. Back before the drought when mammoth pods were $1 each (now they're like $5 each) I ordered them mostly. On average they were 3-5g each, so 2-5 of them would be somewhere between 6g and 25g. Not to mention small pods weigh as little as .2g. Awful way to measure.

I have ordered pods from many vendors in many sizes before the drought and during the drought, and I find that all pods tend to be very similar in potency. Occasionally I will get a stronger batch or a weaker batch, but even those are not far off from average.

If you want stronger effects from your pods, eating the grounds (mixing with apple sauce or yogurt helps a little) will get you about 1.5x higher than the tea. But it's a different high - kind of like how eating weed brownies is different from smoking weed. I find eating pod powder extremely unpleasant compared to tea, but it works if you are short on pods, as it sounds like you are.

I am not sure how many grams of powder other people use, I just know 20-30g is good for me. 5+ grams for opiate users? Erowid needs some updating. I hardly feel the tea at all unless I drink upwards of 10-15g. I drink tea no more than once every week or two and have been doing this for about 3 years now, so I have tested plenty of pods from at least 5 different vendors.