Trip suddenly ending

[Axed]

This type of response doesn't seem very consistent with the general notion that 4-AcO tryptamines usually exhibit a smooth, long, dilated and trailing come-up and come-down.

Axed, did your friends also indulge with the 4-AcO-DMT tripping and were their reponses congruent? This remains a little unclear...

Yes, at least for me, 4-AcO-DMT usually has a long comedown. One of my friends calls it the 'pendulum', because he feels like you swing back and forth between tripping and sober for an extended period if time, before becoming completely baseline.

I'm sorry if I was not clear -- We all dosed together. 30mg for me and one friend, and 25mg for the other. We all felt the sudden drop-off in effects and were disappointed by it. The friend that took 30mg has taken 4-AcO-DMT with me many times, and it's one of his favorite drugs of all time. He was pretty quick to agree with me that this trip was lacking in what made our prior experiences so amazing.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

We peaked at about 2hrs after ingestion. Normally (I've bought two batches of this stuff before, from two different vendors) I would peak at around 4-5hrs in, yeah.
&I don't think there was anything in particular going on mentally that would have made the trip end, especially for all three of us at basically the same time. We were all having great experiences, so if anything we'd want it to keep going for as long as possible.




Do you have any actual way of knowing if any of the previous batches you purchased have been 4-aco-dmt?Have you sent anything out to a lab for independent testing? I've never ever heard of anyone tripping 8 hours on 4-aco-dmt. Especially not peaking at 5 hours. If you're only reference for what 4-aco-dmt should be is based on what 2 other vendors claim to have sent you then how could you know? I've had 4-aco-dmt from 4 different Canadian vendors and never once did I have a trip longer than 6 hours ( including roughly 2 hour come down). I agree this batch from this French Canadian vendor seemed a bit different from previous batches but it is still far more like 4-aco-dmt to me than any other 4 subbed tryptamine I've done. Until we send it for testing no one could know.
It would be hilarious if it did come back as pure 4-aco-dmt and all this discrepancy is just personal experience. Sometimes taking a drug provides a different experience than it did the first time. I'm going to run another trial with it on Saturday because I'm very curious about this situation as well. I ended getting a nice chunk of that cheap 4-aco-dmt so I'd like to be confident in its identity as well.

 

[whataboutheforests]

I have had this happen several time with quite a few drugs, psilacetin was one of em. Regardless of dose I'm pretty much baseline by 4 hours in so It doesn't surprise me that you had this reaction. In fact, I've never witnessed anyone have a 6-8 hour trip from psilacetin. The fact that you peak 4-5 hours in is mindboggling to me and suggests you have a funky metabolism to begin with. I have also had the occasional 3 hour MDMA roll (always tested), sometimes your bodies metabolism randomly decides to work in overdrive, I wouldn't linger on it too much.

yes, what?! I've done my fair share of 4-AcO-DMT and I never peaked after 4-5 hours; the trip would be slowing down or ending (depending on how much I dosed) by that point. Are you certain the chemical your got before this last trip was psilacetin?

 

[Axed]

Well, maybe peaking at 4-5 hours is a bit of an exaggeration, but with the extreme time dilation it always felt that way.

But I think you guys are focusing too much on that -- the duration surprised me the most, but the effects were also not the same. Like I've said previously, 30mg of this stuff should have had me in another world. But I only had a couple of cool visual effects.

Do you have any actual way of knowing if any of the previous batches you purchased have been 4-aco-dmt?Have you sent anything out to a lab for independent testing? I've never ever heard of anyone tripping 8 hours on 4-aco-dmt. Especially not peaking at 5 hours. If you're only reference for what 4-aco-dmt should be is based on what 2 other vendors claim to have sent you then how could you know? I've had 4-aco-dmt from 4 different Canadian vendors and never once did I have a trip longer than 6 hours ( including roughly 2 hour come down). I agree this batch from this French Canadian vendor seemed a bit different from previous batches but it is still far more like 4-aco-dmt to me than any other 4 subbed tryptamine I've done. Until we send it for testing no one could know.
It would be hilarious if it did come back as pure 4-aco-dmt and all this discrepancy is just personal experience. Sometimes taking a drug provides a different experience than it did the first time. I'm going to run another trial with it on Saturday because I'm very curious about this situation as well. I ended getting a nice chunk of that cheap 4-aco-dmt so I'd like to be confident in its identity as well.

No, none of these batches have been tested. But the previous two batches (that came from two separate vendors) were a lot more congruent in terms of effects than this one. Never did I doubt that either of them were anything but what they were advertised as. And what are the odds that I got sent the wrong product twice before this?

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

Well, maybe peaking at 4-5 hours is a bit of an exaggeration, but with the extreme time dilation it always felt that way.

But I think you guys are focusing too much on that -- the duration surprised me the most, but the effects were also not the same. Like I've said previously, 30mg of this stuff should have had me in another world. But I only had a couple of cool visual effects.




No, none of these batches have been tested. But the previous two batches (that came from two separate vendors) were a lot more congruent in terms of effects than this one. Never did I doubt that either of them were anything but what they were advertised as. And what are the odds that I got sent the wrong product twice before this?

The odds are unlikely that you were sent the wrong product twice is highly unlikely but what are the chances that both those suppliers got there 4-aco-dmt from the same source? I really don't know but honestly, I'm more inclined to believe that all of us all got straight up 4-aco-dmt just that it seems more plausible that over the years we've got our batches of 4-aco-dmt at different rates of decomposition (varying ratios of 4-aco-dmt &4-ho-dmt which accounts for qualitative differences in duration, dosage, and effect. Although the visuals of my last trial with this batch were seemingly quite different and only seemed to show up at the peak (they were utterly gorgeous and impressive though brief) the headspace was exactly like every other psiloceatin trip I've had. Duration was spot on too, about a 4 hour trip with a 1-2 hour come down. During the trip I remember thinking that these visuals were odd for 4-aco-dmt they were fucking awesome! Very much reminded me of the very last acid trip I had at Folkfest last summer but again, @50mg I should have been floored as my usual 4-aco-dmt dosage is around 30mg.

 

[《Plasticity》]

^ show me proof that psilacetin degrades to psilocin, this has been nothing but a mere theory. Just because 4-aco-det degrades to 4-ho-det (or is it 4-sub-dipt?) doesn't mean this applies to all 4-subs. If this was the case there would be a fuckload of seizures and arrests as LEO would jump on the opportunity to arrest people importing pure psilocin illegally. I've had a psilacetin shipment checked by customs and nothing happened, this is proof enough that there was no psilocin in that batch. Besides, psilacetin is WAY different than mush and from what I hear pure psilocin as well.

Tbh I think this batch is just of bad quality, if you throw the duration aside then your left with needing a higher dose to achieve what would be standard effects. Also, every trip is different, I've had mushie trips that were without visuals and other trips with the same batch and dose with quite a bit of visuals. Lot's of speculation in this thread and that's just about all your gonna get.

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

Well, perhaps I shouldn't have outright stated that it's breaking down into 4-ho-dmt (although I'm pretty sure there is an abundance of scientific data that's does champion the idea that all 4-aco's break down into 4-ho's. I'm no chemist I'm just basing my theory on the fact that my first batch if 4-aco-dmt I got was brown degraded gunk and it was by far more visual and euphoric than any of the crystalline white 4-aco-dmt that I've tried from 3 other vendors or from newer batches from the same vendor. It just got me to thinking that there may be a sweet spot with 4-aco-dmt where it gets better after it's been sitting a bit (although it still may look brand new). But you are so right! Nothing but brutal speculation in this thread. If no one sends anything for testing there's no way any of us could know.

 

[Axed]

The odds are unlikely that you were sent the wrong product twice is highly unlikely but what are the chances that both those suppliers got there 4-aco-dmt from the same source? I really don't know but honestly, I'm more inclined to believe that all of us all got straight up 4-aco-dmt just that it seems more plausible that over the years we've got our batches of 4-aco-dmt at different rates of decomposition (varying ratios of 4-aco-dmt &4-ho-dmt which accounts for qualitative differences in duration, dosage, and effect. Although the visuals of my last trial with this batch were seemingly quite different and only seemed to show up at the peak (they were utterly gorgeous and impressive though brief) the headspace was exactly like every other psiloceatin trip I've had. Duration was spot on too, about a 4 hour trip with a 1-2 hour come down. During the trip I remember thinking that these visuals were odd for 4-aco-dmt they were fucking awesome! Very much reminded me of the very last acid trip I had at Folkfest last summer but again, @50mg I should have been floored as my usual 4-aco-dmt dosage is around 30mg.

I don't think it's very likely, considering my first batch ever was 4-AcO-DMT fumarate, and the second was HCl.

Anyways, anyone who said this thread is full of speculation is right. But unfortunately I do not have the money to send this stuff in for testing. So I will continue to use it (I have about 400mg left), and maybe get better results. I want to push the dose higher, but the nausea was pretty legit at 30mg and kept me in bed for the entirety of the come-up.

My main concern is that a couple of my friends gave me money for doses, and it will be only their third time tripping. I don't want to disappoint them with a trip that only seems to last for a few hours. I'm thinking of redosing or adding another drug to make the overall experience more long-lasting.

 

[《Plasticity》]

although I'm pretty sure there is an abundance of scientific data that's does champion the idea that all 4-aco's break down into 4-ho's.

Where are these studies? I haven't been able to find any, this theory was brought to light in a comment made by shulgin that not even he knew for sure, just an assumption. Every acetoxy ester I've taken has felt completely different that their hydroxy bretheren. Just read through 4-aco B&D threads and compare their findings to the 4-ho counterparts and you will find they are NOT the same effects wise. Think about how popular psilacetin is and how little you hear of legal action taking place, customs WILL perform reagent testing on these chems when seized for inspection. I could just as easily say that psilacetin degrades into some other unknown chemical that may or may not be active. I think purity is at play, low doses of psilacetin are far different than high doses so if you take a high dose expecting high dose effects your gonna find it different when you achieve low level dose effects.,

 

[Ballz_Trippington]

So I had a chance to run a 2nd larger trial with the new batch of 4-aco-dmt from a French Canadian supplier and after running many tests with MANY different people. I have to say, as far as I'm concerned the verdict is and case closed the 4-aco-dmt is STRONG! Very strong!! I spent most of the evening Saturday night watching guys tripping so hard they could barley form sentences on 30mg.
My first trial I also thought it might be weak but on the same dose as last time I was tripping extremely hard and honestly at one point I was getting a neck massage and while that was happening I was experiencing the most profound and gorgeous closed eye visuals I've ever had (except for on DMT). I don't know what the rest of ya'll think but I'm very very happy with my 4-aco-dmt!!

 

[Xorkoth]

I hear that you usually have it last 6-8 hours, but it's worth noting that for me, 4-AcO-DMT lasts 2.5 to 3 hours, faster even than 4-HO-DMT. It seems people are divided into 2 groups regarding 4-AcO-DMT... some find it to be a rather long, mushroom-like but friendlier adventure, and others, like me, find it to feel more like slow, oral DMT, and really not much like mushrooms, and it lasts a very short time. I once had the longer-style trip on 4-AcO-DMT though, where it felt different than every other time (with the same batch). I don't understand why it's different for some people, but perhaps a variety of factors in play within your body made it affect you differently this time?

And yeah, 30mg of 4-AcO-DMT is a pretty hefty dose, so no wonder it was so strong they could barely form sentences.

 

[Xorkoth]

I had developed the above theory when I was last very active here and 4-AcO-DMT was first starting to make the rounds. The general theory had been that 4-AcO-DMT couldn't cross the BBB and was converted to 4-HO-DMT before taking effect. However I strongly disbelieve this, due to the drastically different effects I experience (which I mentioned above - it really reminds me of DMT more than mushrooms or anything else). My theory is that some people's bodies do convert it quickly to 4-HO-DMT and in those people a relatively small amount of 4-AcO-DMT reaches the brain, and a larger amount of 4-HO-DMT, in combination. The 4-AcO-DMT, which has effects similar to plain DMT, adds a bright, friendly color to the 4-HO-DMT (psilocin). But for others, like myself, either the 4-AcO-DMT is converted to 4-HO-DMT much more slowly, or the 4-AcO-DMT much more readily crosses the BBB, and the resulting experience is mostly 4-AcO-DMT rather than converted 4-HO-DMT, and the result is a shorter, buzzier, more DMT_like experience.

Really though, the visuals I get from 4-AcO-DMT are incredibly similar to smoked DMT, and the body buzzing is the same high-frequency, crystallized feeling. I actually wish I got the friendly mushroom-like effect.

 

[SONN]

my strongest trip ever had a very abrupt comedown. I'd say it was like almost 5 hours in. I had some intense DMT rushes and ended up having the greatest OOBE of my life then I came back to reality really fast. within 10 or 15 minutes the visuals had completely left and I was just in afterglow mode. The sounds of cars driving through the street still sounded like alien robots though.

 

[Axed]

So I had a chance to run a 2nd larger trial with the new batch of 4-aco-dmt from a French Canadian supplier and after running many tests with MANY different people. I have to say, as far as I'm concerned the verdict is and case closed the 4-aco-dmt is STRONG! Very strong!! I spent most of the evening Saturday night watching guys tripping so hard they could barley form sentences on 30mg.
My first trial I also thought it might be weak but on the same dose as last time I was tripping extremely hard and honestly at one point I was getting a neck massage and while that was happening I was experiencing the most profound and gorgeous closed eye visuals I've ever had (except for on DMT). I don't know what the rest of ya'll think but I'm very very happy with my 4-aco-dmt!!

The part that I bolded -- that's what I expected when I took 30mg of the stuff! Yet it wasn't anything close to that.