Tren E at a low dose to save money ?

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Hello Lads,

Now I'd love to jump on 100mg Test Prop, 100mg NPP and 50mg Tren Ace as my first time trying Tren but it is expensive to buy a 10ml vial that lasts 10-20days

Injecting ED aint a problem

I can get Casablanca 100mg/ml Tren Ace for half the price of tried and test Prochem and Lixus, and it's probably the only way I'm gna afford going on Tren Ace

So... What about trying Tren E, now I know Guido and lot's of others say it's side effects in a vial, but what about trying 50mg/P/W for 8 weeks to see how I react, OR Tren Hexa 100mg/ml and just use 0.5ml per week with that as well ..

Tren E or Hexa users ..... What is a good starting dosage if I'm gna go ahead and do it anyway, is Hex better than E for sides ?

Is 50mg P/W not enough or is that sensible for starting off ?

Any advice on the long estered Tren much appreciated team !

Cheers
 
Not all of us get strong side effects from Tren - I don't, except perhaps on my poor hairline. And at 50mg/wk I don't think you'll notice much of anything, good or bad. Save up enough until you can add at least 125 or 250mg/wk. FWIW tren should not be that budget busting these days.
 
So what dose of Tren E or Hexa would you start on first time ?

100mg P/W ?

And what would you use E or Hexa. I read Hexa was the only form approved for human use because of low sides.
 
Whichever is cheaper. Honestly, I wouldn't bother with less than 250mg/wk, split into 2 shots. You can always drop the dose if you really find that too much.

Don't put too much faith in people who assert that different 'esters' have different side-effect profiles. They don't (or at most the difference is incredibly negligible based on minor pharmacokinetic effects).
 
If I was running Ace it would be 350-700mg P/W

I can get Tren E 200mg/ml

May do 100mg for 3 weeks, if I feel OK bump it up to 200mg

I want Tren in my diet now there's no 2 ways about it !
 
Why would you run Tren Acetate at 700mg/wk but Tren E at only 100mg/wk? Not sure I understand your logic.
 
It's just because a lot of people say really bad things about the enanthate ester so I would start off slowly and see how I react,

Whereas... with ace I would pin ED and if shit hut the fan I would just stop, With E there's no stopping, ye know.
 
Ok sure the compounded half-lives could cause minor trouble if cessation was necessary. I'm not sure what would precipitate the need for such urgency though, it's not that big a deal to wait a few days.
 
I'm gna try it anyway cos it's affordable and if it agrees with me happy days

I don't see any sides that can't really be counteracted tho I'm not experienced with the compound so I like to double check with folks on here with more experience.
 
I'd like to give Tren E a shot for my next blast, given I'm currently on 540mg/wk of Tren A with very minor sides. Even the emotional sides seem to come and go quietly this time around haha
 
Say I get a couple 10mls of Tren A 100ml/ml , and do 50mg E/D to start off then bump it up to 100mg,

How quick should I expect so see results with this stuff, the fat burning as well as lean muscle growth
 
benzoman12345 said:
It's just because a lot of people say really bad things about the enanthate ester so I would start off slowly and see how I react,

Whereas... with ace I would pin ED and if shit hit the fan I would just stop, With E there's no stopping, ye know.
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Be careful when assigning an effect to an ester, they have none.. The enanthate ester is a long carbon chain that slows the release of hormone into blood, once in the blood stream the ester is exposed to enzymes that cleave the ester leaving just the hormone (testosterone) in the blood stream, where it is bound to a transport protein or binds a nuclear receptor (AR) androgen receptor...
Typically any ester, administered in an appropriate dose, over the appropriate half-life time, should deliver the testosterone/hormone in a similar way and should differ very little in rate of metabolization. Typically you'll see more aromatization with higher fluctuation (less frequent injections than half-life) with any ester...
Long esters can cause a slightly higher aromatisation because you inject a larger amount at once, causing a larger bolus dose at the start of the week, and the more hits the system at once, the more is metabolized by enzymes. This can easily be remedied by using a more frequent injection pattern (twice a week rather than once a week).

With Tren-E, the Trenbolone is exactly the same once it hits the bloodstream, all the enanthate ester does is slow the release into blood.. The issue with Tren-E is people think they can pin once a week with a single high dose, that is where the issue is with Tren-E (more hits the bloodstream more is metabolized, blood levels of hormone are spiked then drop off, I've explained previously why this can have adverse effects)... Pin an appropriate amount EOD and you'll be fine.. Pin ED if it bothers you that much...
 
I don't know where or what you pay for your gear, but most gear is cheap as shit nower days


There is a diff between tren e & ace even @ similar doses (I pissed brown while drinking a gallon of water per day while running only 400mg of tren e, while 700mg of tren ace did nothing but just make me insanely angry)


I been running way too much tren, so I am starting to notice what the differences are.



If pinning is no prob, here's my usual starter: 75mg of prop EOD, 100mg of tren ACE EOD, then I move into 50mg of prop QD & 75mg of tren ace QD, then I add mast at 50mg Qd then bump it to 75mg Qd - The mast is just my summer thing & is not a must with tren


I ramp & taper down all of my doses, I hope you know what Ai's to use & know what caber or prami is. Also have Letrozole on hand < this is from experience. Growing moobs would suck ass - I came off the 400mg of tren e while tapering all the way down to 200mg per week. After stopping the tren e, I had gyno symptoms out of nowhere - Again, no sign of this with more that double the tren ace
 
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smson_420 said:
I don't know where or what you pay for your gear, but most gear is cheap as shit nower days


There is a diff between tren e & ace even @ similar doses (I pissed brown while drinking a gallon of water per day while running only 400mg of tren e, while 700mg of tren ace did nothing but just make me insanely angry)

I been running way too much tren, so I am starting to notice what the differences are.


If pinning is no prob, here's my usual starter: 75mg of prop EOD, 100mg of tren ACE EOD, then I move into 50mg of prop QD & 75mg of tren ace QD, then I add mast at 50mg Qd then bump it to 75mg Qd - The mast is just my summer thing & is not a must with tren


I ramp & taper down all of my doses, I hope you know what Ai's to use & know what caber or prami is. Also have Letrozole on hand < this is from experience. Growing moobs would suck ass - I came off the 400mg of tren e while tapering all the way down to 200mg per week. After stopping the tren e, I had gyno symptoms out of nowhere - Again, no sign of this with more that double the tren ace
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There is no difference between Tren-A, and Tren-E, apart from the ester..

Caber and prami are dopamine D2 agonists, this doesn't have fuck all to do with progesterone, but does seem to reduce central release of prolactin, another hormone called in to explain something that doesn't actually exist (tren gyno) to sell more shit you don't need (caber and prami).

There is a possibility, in a rare scenario, that tren can cause lactation. It's not even likely to be paired with any (significant) gyno. The way this happens is similar to what happens in pregnant females. In pregnant females estrogen and progesterone peak and they make prolactin levels rise, but at the same time they block the effect. You can liken this to using high dose testosterone and nandrolone. Now when the woman gives birth, estrogen and progesterone drop and stimulation of the nipple activates the prolactin, resulting in lactation. Say you now switch your high test/nandro cycle to a cutting cycle, drop your testosterone and nandrolone, start using an anti-e, and get the SPRM effect of tren in there, you'll get a similar drop that can activate already elevated prolactin and lead to lactation, especially if you are the type that likes playing with your nipples. This should, by the way, resolve itself in a short while.

Because of its action on ER (estrogen receptor) and PR (progesterone receptor) masteron is advised with Tren...
 
I hope you know what Ai's to use & know what caber or prami is. Also have Letrozole on hand
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Yes I know all about that shit

I take Letro 1/4pill Mon-Wed-Fri with my jag religiously now
 
I am gyno prone to Deca and I'm on 750mgs per week just now so it's needed

And I still think I'm a bit bloated on the belly, may just be me lol
 
benzoman12345 said:
I am gyno prone to Deca and I'm on 750mgs per week just now so it's needed

And I still think I'm a bit bloated on the belly, may just be me lol
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I thought I'd posted extensively how Nandrolones estrogenic action is via AR (androgen receptor)... Nandrolone has no significant effect at the estrogen receptor at all. So AI's won't do anything here.

With nandrolone it is the absence of the C19 (carbon in the 19th position). Although aromatase doesn't directly catalyse C19 cleavage, it is the result of what aromatase does and a necessary step in generating the needed energy to make the aromatic A-ring. This is why nandrolone practically does not aromatize. Naturally occurring nandrolone in the body is actually believed to be a by-product of incomplete aromatization....

Nandrolone can be quite estrogenic however, more so that testosterone, and in some assays as much as 60% as estradiol itself, even though it barely aromatizes and doesn't bind the ER itself, but it appears that it can stimulate estrogen response elements in the DNA by binding the androgen receptor. That also means the estrogenic effects of nandrolone cannot be stopped short of inhibiting the AR, and thus also blocking its anabolic effects, that makes it a tricky compound to people prone to estrogenic effects from nandrolone......
 
Yeah but Letro kills estrogen, there are no lumps or pains on my chest, my arms are tight and solid, no water whatsoever

so it must just be me slacking with ab work and cardio
Gna get a little bit of water no matter what

For the Record

I just bought 1 10ml Vial of Tren A 100mg/ml

It will be here Monday or Tuesday then I will pin 50mg ED and see if I'm a Tren guy :) Hopefully
 
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