transsexuals

[Morrison's Lament]

Werd, sorry

--- G.

 

[keystroke]

if you're born with a penis, deal with it.

if you have a vagina when you're born, unlucky.

you should never be allowed to change what sex you are, just because you no longer feel "strongly" about it. I think anyone that becomes a transexual has strong mental problems far beyond being helped.


also, why is it that asian guys seem more inclined to dress up as women, get sex changes, etc? I see far more asians than any other trannies in the world.

I wonder if after "changing" they think they even look remotely attractive to anyone? most of the time, they still look like ugly men.

 

[futura]

People should be free to do whatever makes them happy without judgement so long as it does not infringe upon the well being of others.

 

[Mariposa]

if you're born with a penis, deal with it.

if you have a vagina when you're born, unlucky.

you should never be allowed to change what sex you are, just because you no longer feel "strongly" about it. I think anyone that becomes a transexual has strong mental problems far beyond being helped.


also, why is it that asian guys seem more inclined to dress up as women, get sex changes, etc? I see far more asians than any other trannies in the world.

I wonder if after "changing" they think they even look remotely attractive to anyone? most of the time, they still look like ugly men.

I think you're making a gross overgeneralization.

Where I get stuck is this question: is being transgendered a pathology? It is a classic case of chicken/egg. I can only give my empathy here, and really I'm quite shocked at some of the overgeneralizations I am seeing here. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to feel like you're an error of Mother Nature (or who/whatever), but I do believe sometimes male souls are born into female bodies and female souls are born into male bodies. Gender is more fluid than you realize. It is only a dose of a hormone that comes about at a particular point in fetal development combined with a chromosomal type that indicates whether you are born as a boy or a girl, as far as we can prove. That says nothing for what we can't.

It's an awfully slippery slope - the contention that transgendered persons have body dysmorphic disorder. If you were born into the wrong body, why the hell *wouldn't* you be uncomfortable with your body?

Being gay/lesbian was considered a pathology until not that long ago comparatively.

As for your comment regarding Asians, I have seen more MTF transgendered persons who are of Asian descent than any other group. I contend it's because the actual MTF surgery is more inexpensively available in certain Asian countries than elsewhere. "Ugly Asian trannies" (paraphrased) is inflammatory language and not suited for SLR. Evidently you need a reminder that correlation does not equal causation.

Why does this subject shake us up so much? I have masculine elements to my personality, but I am biologically female and happy to be so. I know many men who are biologically male and opposite-sex oriented who have some feminine elements to their personality. There's a little bit of everything in everyone. And just by virtue of being a man does not give someone license to whip their dick around and start sweeping the generalizations around indiscriminately with it.

 

[keystroke]

I never said "ugly asian trannies" because IMO, I think all trannies are just as ugly as each other.

if you took what I read, i meant it as, do they think they are fooling anyone into thinking they are actually females, because they look far from it.

 

[futura]

People get fooled...

"WILL ALL THE LADYBOYS PLEASE RAISE THEIR HANDS?"

 

[therollingstoner]

Well said mariposa, well said.

 

[paradoxcycle]

Originally posted by keystroke
I never said "ugly asian trannies" because IMO, I think all trannies are just as ugly as each other.

This thread makes me fucking sick and the attitudes of some of you are very depressing. Transgender people are targeted for violence based on their non-conformity with gender norms and their perceived sexual orientation and this bullshit only continues to feed that hate.

 

[Mysticalis]

Originally posted by keystroke
I never said "ugly asian trannies" because IMO, I think all trannies are just as ugly as each other.

This thread makes me fucking sick and the attitudes of some of you are very depressing. Transgender people are targeted for violence based on their non-conformity with gender norms and their perceived sexual orientation and this bullshit only continues to feed that hate.

I agree. I can see much more clearly why transgenders have it worse off than even the gays and lesbians. Such a tragedy to feel like you were given the wrong body and then get ostracized from society when you make the effort to correct that mistake.

 

[SmC]

Originally posted by keystroke
I never said "ugly asian trannies" because IMO, I think all trannies are just as ugly as each other.

This thread makes me fucking sick and the attitudes of some of you are very depressing. Transgender people are targeted for violence based on their non-conformity with gender norms and their perceived sexual orientation and this bullshit only continues to feed that hate.

People fear what they don't understand, as I said before.I think once people are educated more on the subject, things will begin to change.Just like the gay community is becoming more and more accepted these days.(though it's not perfect, things seem to be changing for them)

 

[SmC]

And for those who dislike transexuals, put yourself in there state of mind for a minute, and imagine how you would like being discriminated on/misunderstood and not being able to do a thing about it.

 

[Mariposa]

I never said "ugly asian trannies" because IMO, I think all trannies are just as ugly as each other.

if you took what I read, i meant it as, do they think they are fooling anyone into thinking they are actually females, because they look far from it.

Well, I know someone (a heterosexual male and not a bler) who was at a club in New York a number of years ago and got a blowjob from a beautiful woman he believed had both her X chromosomes... when he went down her pants that was not the case. Of course that should have been revealed sooner, but that is beside the point. Obviously the transgendered person was more than passable as her chosen gender!

Keystroke - As to your comment about MTF transgendered persons not resembling females, I've seen plenty that don't, and plenty that do. Regardless, your comments are borderline inflammatory, and off topic. If you have something to say that fits in with our atmosphere of tolerance and open discussion, feel free. Should that not be the case, please abstain from posting in this thread.

Transgendered persons deserve basic human respect and they do not deserve to be subjected to discrimination.

Thanks, everyone, in advance for not making a controversial subject into an inflammatory debate when we are here to communicate in more effective manners with one another.

 

[grapeape]

People fear what they don't understand, as I said before.I think once people are educated more on the subject, things will begin to change.Just like the gay community is becoming more and more accepted these days.(though it's not perfect, things seem to be changing for them)

This is such a perfect comment. I think that people should be able to be whatever they want, whether it be female, male, gay, lesbain...whatever makes them happy. It is sad that people regres to violence because they do not understand, and I *do* also agree that in a way TSs have it much harder than gays or lesbians. Wanting to change your body into something else is a very difficult concept to grasp for one who does not feel it as well, but I think I could accept a friend who told me they felt this way. If they were not happy, I would just want them to *be* happy.

I think that the day will come where people are just more compasionate in general for different types of people whether it be race,gender, sexual orientation or whatever. Hell, look how far we've gotten in just the last 50 years!!

Hang in there, if this is what you truly want, then I hope that your loved ones can and will understand and be accepting...and I hope you gain the courage to comeout and be at peace with yourself. Good Luck honey

 

[Strawberry_lovemuffin]

I wonder if after "changing" they think they even look remotely attractive to anyone? most of the time, they still look like ugly men.

You're missing the point completely . It's not about "looking attractive to people". It's about gender identity. Transexuals change their gender because they feel they ARE that other gender, but their outside appearance doesn't correlate.

I'm sure they don't give a stuff if they look odd or not (or it's a secondary concern), because they're not doing it for anyone else. Once they have the right genitals - or in the meantime, an attempt at the right 'outward appearance' - they feel better inside.

I think given what they have to work with (male characteristics) most transgengered M-to-F do an admirable job on their appearance. They also don't have the benefit, as women do, of years of growing up with cosmetic advice and knowlege of how to dress and walk.

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

There's lots of Asian (India, Thailand) TS because their civilization has a long history of men dressing as women. Native Americans also had their TS. In Bangkok there was an area with several TS bars.

Most of the TS I saw at the Bangkok hospital clinic I was in (a first class hospital) and around Tucson look like average women. One, from the Phillipines was an exotic dancer.

Agreed, San Francisco has a lot of homeless TS. Probably all of them have NOT had the surgery. I was shocked at some of them! Many of the "ugly" ones are living on the dole because they can't find work. Also, I think SF pays for sex changes for residents?

When you first start out -- especially before surgery -- you feel ackward, like you're masquerading. And when you take the hormones before surgery you feel very disoriented, anguish, like there's a war going on inside your body. It took me two years, post-surgery to feel natural, confident.

From what I've read, like 97 percent of those who have had surgery don't regret it.

 

[SvnLyrBrto]

Also, I think SF pays for sex changes for residents?

You're somewhat confused there. If you WORK for the City of San Francisco, and you're legitimately diagnosed by a psychologist as needing it; the health plan that The City offers its employees covers the SRS.

But as a standard-issue resident of San Francisco, I couldn't just walk into a clinic and get a free sex change.


cya,
john

 

[@lterEgo]

[edit: drunk post, sorry... carry on]

 

[Infinite Jest]

^
Sexual Reassignment Surgery, maybe?

I'm always amazed at the tendency of people to spout off about how other people should live their lives, when really it has absolutely fuck all to do with them. It doesn't affect you, doesn't hurt you - why bother getting so upset? It seems very unhealthy.

 

[Fallen1]

Sim0n: because transsexuals often pick up people for varying levels of sexual activity without declaring their background. A girl tried to pick me up in a club when I was seriously off my face. She invited me back to her house for a shower. My friends stopped me. She ended up going home with an acquaintence of mine, and blowing him, while masquerading as a woman. We later found out 'she' was a man. That, to me is despicable. Not the fact that two guys had sex, but that the cheap, filthy skank tricked someone into transgressing their boundaries. I consider this behaviour dishonest, disgusting, and downright vile.

This is where it gets complex. Now, obviously it is counterintuitive to suggest transsexuals should have to declare their background, since this presumably runs opposite to the ideas behind the sex change. However, is it ethically OK for them to selfishly circumvent the desires of others by trickery? I, personally, don't think so. This ambiguity and deceit is why I have problems with transsexuality in all its forms.

Long story short, if you are honest with prospective partners, good for you, I have nothing against you, I'll just laugh when you say things like "As a woman...". If you don't entrust potential partners with your alternative gender history, I hope you die a slow, painful death being stung to death by scorpions before having your corpse mutilated and stuck on streetlights outside my house to warn other trannies away.

 

[paradoxcycle]

Originally posted by greenfalcon
Why I consider it stupid also... if you are a man wanting to become female..... you're never going to be completely female no matter how much surgery you undertake and how much you pay. You'll always be an inferior version. You'll always be stuck between sexes, which, IN MY OPINION, is worse than having to deal with the massively inconvenient problem of living in the body you were born with.

It has nothing to do with CONVENIENCE. Let me explain it to you again. There are people born into this world that believe they should have been born a different gender. This means there are people who are born biologically female who believe they should be male and those who were born biologically male who believe they should be female. These are people who were assigned a gender at birth based on their genitals, but who feel that this is a false or incomplete description of themselves. It is a fundamental right that each individual should be allowed to assume gender roles congruent with one's self-perceived identity; regardless of physical sex, genetic sex, or sex role.

Given that everyone has the right to assume gender roles, it then follows that everyone should have the right to freely express those roles in any manner that does not infringe on the freedom of another individual.