transsexuals

[SmC]

I really, really, really can't stand the whole idea of transexualism. I don't like nor understand transexuals. Thinking about it actually gets me quite angry. Make the msot of what you've been given, stop making yourelf even uglier and more deformed

People fear what they don't understand.You're just a classic case of that really.

Why do you get angry?And you're making abit too much of a general point there about them being ugly, considering you don't actually know any that's a bit of an odd statement to make isn't it?

Next time you decide to go into a thread and debate something, be a bit more open minded to other lifestyles.Would you appreciate it if someone came on here and started talking shit about your lifestyle with drugs?

 

[paradoxcycle]

Originally posted by greenfalcon
Bottom line is, men that want to be women and vice-versa have a mental illness, there's nothing physically wrong with them. Nothing a little counselling and discipline won't help.

What a joke. So do you consider homosexuality a mental illness as well?

 

[SmC]

To be honest, greenfalcon seems like the one with the mental illness, I mean, getting angry over something like this is ridiculous...

 

[glitterbizkit]

To be honest the idea of transsexualism is a bit disturbing to me- but I don't expect to ever understand what it feels like to be born in the wrong body, so who am I to judge?

I have great respect for people who have the tenacity to look past all the potential ridicule and hardship to become something they truly want to be. Good for them.

Agreed.

 

[Beatlebot]

To be honest, greenfalcon seems like the one with the mental illness, I mean, getting angry over something like this is ridiculous...

Please back off with the personal attacks. The original poster asked people what they thought of transsexuals and greenfalcon answered honestly. You can debate his points but please don't attack him personally.

At least, not until he opens that door himself.

 

[paradoxcycle]

^He's already "opened the door" with:

Originally posted by greenfalcon
Make the msot of what you've been given, stop making yourelf even uglier and more deformed

and

Originally posted by greenfalcon
Bottom line is, men that want to be women and vice-versa have a mental illness, there's nothing physically wrong with them. Nothing a little counselling and discipline won't help.

So what if he's being honest? That makes it ok? Inappropriate, IMO.

 

[Beatlebot]

Then perhaps you'd like to go into detail about why his comments are inappropriate and rebut them.

Then we could have a discussion, on this here discussion board, instead of just personal attacks and insults.

Certainly the way greenfalcon worded his posts is slightly offensive but I don't think it's aimed at one particular person. I believe he is just answering the question from his point of view.

As for transsexuals being ugly, well to tell the truth, an outwardly attractive transsexual seems to be a rarity. I don't think transsexuals do what they do for looks though.

How do we know that transsexuals aren't mentally ill? It seems to me that their desire to be the opposite sex causes them alot of grief and drives them to spend alot of money to have major operations. Doesn't sound like the healthiest place to be. There have been cases of people who have had the operation and then changed their mind. How do we know it's not some form of body dysmorphic disorder?

 

[paradoxcycle]

Originally posted by Beatlebot
How do we know that transsexuals aren't mentally ill? It seems to me that their desire to be the opposite sex causes them alot of grief and drives them to spend alot of money to have major operations. Doesn't sound like the healthiest place to be.

No one - gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, etc. should have to accept being pathologized as mentally ill when they are indeed not. There is no evidence at all that gender dysphoria is a mental illness, anymore than homosexuality was years ago. The real harm in calling it a mental illness is that doing so condones stigmatization of those with gender identity dysphoria as mentally ill and perpetuates discrimination.

Originally posted by Beatlebot
As for transsexuals being ugly, well to tell the truth, an outwardly attractive transsexual seems to be a rarity.

Wow. I don't even know how to respond to this.

 

[Mysticalis]

As for transsexuals being ugly, well to tell the truth, an outwardly attractive transsexual seems to be a rarity. I don't think transsexuals do what they do for looks though.

The ones I've come to know have either been hooking and doing porn to rake up money for cosmetic surgery in addition to gender corrective surgery, or they began hormone therapy as soon as legally possible to soften their masculine features and fool the eye.

 

[s l h(one)y w]

I think a lot of transsexuals come across as over the top and fake cause they just want to be accepted so much. Like I read an article once, or an interview rather, with a transsexual performer and the interviewer commented that she wondered whether the ts girl she was interviewing was so uberfemme in order to convince herself or others of her femininity... It's just so confusing, I totally relate with glitterbizkit and even the lovely dude who thinks transsexuals are an abomination to gods kingdom. Like I don't know why I feel the way I feel and I even hate the way I feel sometimes....

 

[Mysticalis]

Like I don't know why I feel the way I feel and I even hate the way I feel sometimes....

The way I see it, you shouldn't hate how you feel about yourself. If you honestly feel like you belonged in the opposite body, then don't feel ashamed about it. There may not be that many people out there who will accept you for who you are, but we are out there.

Just be yourself. The way I see it, if walks and quacks like a duck... well, you know the rest.

 

[s l h(one)y w]

Yeah but the thing is I don't think I was born in the wrong body perse, but rather I feel like my actions since I was born have been overly restricted. Like if a child feels better being raised as a girl/or boy I think that child should have the choice to do so. Regardless of whether it was born with a certain chromosone. But growing up when I would think of that, starting when I was maybe four or five, I would understand how everybody in my family would feel about my feelings so I would repress them and try to make the best of what I was given. But instead of things getting better they just got continually worse. Now when I try to think of myself as a boy and feel good about it I get terrible migraine headaches. Anyway I still feel guilty about the way I feel because I know none of the people I love want me to be this way. Anyway sorry for bringing my drama to bluelight seriously... 'I find it hard, it's hard to find.... oh well, whatever, nevermind.....'

 

[Mysticalis]

Can you clarify for me one thing? You were born female and identify as a male, or is it the other way around?

Transsexualism as it relates to an anonymous poster is the only confusion I seem to get flustered with. The rest of the issue I find intriguing and worth trying to understand.

 

[s l h(one)y w]

the other way around

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

As for transsexuals being ugly, well to tell the truth, an outwardly attractive transsexual seems to be a rarity. I don't think transsexuals do what they do for looks though.

How do we know that transsexuals aren't mentally ill? It seems to me that their desire to be the opposite sex causes them alot of grief and drives them to spend alot of money to have major operations. Doesn't sound like the healthiest place to be. There have been cases of people who have had the operation and then changed their mind. How do we know it's not some form of body dysmorphic disorder?

I agree TS is a mental illness but the only way to cure it is through surgery. I'm much better off now mentally than before. Never felt better* or had so much fun!

As for the pretty TS, they blend in and you'd never know it. They don't go on TV shows to talk about it.

The poor ones don't have the money to buy nice clothes and get their hair and nails done at the salon.

* Edit: Felt best in love (with a woman) but it only lasted two weeks when the reality of babies shattered the bliss. Then suffered one CRAZY summer including three weeks in a mental institution in New Jersey. The cops gave me a choice on a bogus charge of jail or the nut house. I refused "treatment" and left the snake pit when I realized they could not legally hold me there. Several times, even though I had a beard at the time, people called me a "bitch" or thought I was female! Before I left the nuthouse, I cut off my beard and people said I was gorgeous. With the beard a few people called me "Jesus."

 

[Beatlebot]

Yeah but the thing is I don't think I was born in the wrong body perse, but rather I feel like my actions since I was born have been overly restricted. Like if a child feels better being raised as a girl/or boy I think that child should have the choice to do so.

Could you please explain how you think it would have been different to be raised as a girl? What would being raised as a girl have meant to you? Exactly how would you like to have been treated differently?

Did your parents put alot of unfair expectations on you because you were male? Do you feel that being female would free you from these expectations?

 

[@lterEgo]

As for the pretty TS, they blend in and you'd never know it. They don't go on TV shows to talk about it.

this is a good point. i've always considered "coming out" a rather pointless and selfish act, but in the case of transgendered people i think it might do a great deal in the effort to dispel myths. i can understand why people might not automatically think of transexuals as attractive in a traditional sense. we're working with a very narrow body of information. i live in a very sexually liberal city (san francisco) and even so i pretty much only see trash trannies walking the streets.

i guess there aren't any well-known "icons" in the trans community that are presented as just your average person for the population to digest. i don't know of anyone that sets an example of that, you know? there are tons of gay and lesbian people in the public eye who lead "normal" (i'm using the term loosely here) lives, raise families, have the same struggles straight people have, etc... so who provides that frame of reference for the transgender group?

maybe nobody does. and maybe nobody does because as paradoxcycle suggested, it is too dangerous. that's the real rub here i think - nobody knows how to wrap their views around transsexuals because nobody knows much of anything about them. yet it seems that nobody knows anything because the environment we've created for sharing information is too hostile for anyone to come forward and explain things.

this brings me back to my earlier "coming out" statement. in this case, where understanding is so limited, maybe coming out does serve a more noble purpose. until people do it, all most of us have to work with as we form opinions are club sluts and jerry springer episodes. is it any wonder that people have a warped perception of what transsexuals are about?

 

[Beatlebot]

In Australia we have Carlotta who is pretty convincing. She's a bit older than that now but I had no idea she was transsexual until I heard her talking about her operations.

http://www.health.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=63584

I have to admit that I was playing devil's advocate before. I just don't think you are going to open peoples minds to this issue by calling them mentally ill over their natural assumptions.

 

[Morrison's Lament]

I have to admit that I was playing devil's advocate before. I just don't think you are going to open peoples minds to this issue by calling them mentally ill over their natural assumptions.

How is it any worse to call a single bigot (who is here, btw, and we have been able to talk to) mentally ill in a thread he has invaded with hatespeech than it is for that same bigot to accuse large swathes of the population (whom he obviously has little or no experience with encountering) of being mentally ill?

If anything there is far more evidence in this thread to suggest this one and particular individual has problems than he has been able to provide for his stigmatizing of millions of people whom he has never encountered. If he called the original poster nuts, and someone called him nuts, fair. Even, Steven.

But "they're all a bunch of nuts" and "you, sir, are a nut" are NOT the same thing.

--- G.

 

[Beatlebot]

"You're mentally ill!"

"No you're mentally ill!"

"Fuk u cumwad! You're mentally ill"

"No you're mentally ill you idiot"

-Someone gets warned or edited-

"The moderators of this forum are dumb dirty sluts! All they do is censor free speech like stupid fucking cuntwhore feminazis they are!"

Really, I was trying to nip it the bud before the thread turned into something like the above^

Back on topic? Pretty please?