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Tramadol, Demerol or codeine for W/D

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DOCperc

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Hey guys new here but ive got a question. Ive been on perc 10's for about a year following my spinal fusion and the development of chronic regional pain syndrome. Like most I started out taking them as prescribed but ive now ramped my intake up to sometimes 10+ a day and my doc is lowering the amount I get. Anyway to get to the point, I'm now out and 4 days from a refill. I have demerol pills tramadol pills and cough syrup containing codeine. My question is which one will help me the most in dealing with the W/D from the percocets? Thanks in advance.
 
Codeine.

Demerol is not meant for chronic usage and can cause some wild toxicity if you abuse it.
Tramadol also has action on serotonin/norepinephrine so it will get you dependent on another drug if you start using it for too long.
 
Thanks for the info. I don't plan to use any of those for longer than 4 days as my refill will be here by then.
 
Codeine in good amounts (200mgs to 400mgs) will hold off withdrawal. Tramadol is okay for pain but isnt as efficient as Codeine for withdrawals. I never had Demerol so I cant speak of it.
 
Well the problem with the codeine is its in a cough syrup and mixed with gaba. Only 10mg codeine per 5ml and 120ml total. So 240 mg's codeine which won't last long. If I can just get something to ease back the W/D's at night ant the restless legs ill be fine. I did snort...yea snort lol 100mg's of demerol it burned a lil but it pretty much knocked out the withdrawal symptoms.
 
I've always snorted oxycodone and hydro, when I run out of those I have the need to snort something. I dunno how to explain it but if I'm not snorting a pill then I'm not happy. I guess I'm not only just addicted to pain pills but also addicted to snorting things lol. Sad I know..
 
^ are you talking about snorting hydrocodone? If you're talking about hydrocodone, that's a HUGE waste... even the strongest pills are less than 5% hydrocodone so you're caking your nose with acetaminophen and inactive binders and fillers and even when the hydrocodone makes it to the mucus membranes to be absorbed, you gain nothing because it has a very high oral bioavailability and it'd probably be less efficient even if the pills were pure hydrocodone.

If you meant hydromorphone, ignore the above and carry on ;)
 
I'm talking about hydrocodone/apap I know its a huge waste but when I was first introduced to hydro/oxy I snorted em. I just have a straight up addiction to snorting things so even though oral is much better, for me I feel like I wasted it if I eat it. Strange I know
 
DOCperc said:
I'm talking about hydrocodone/apap I know its a huge waste but when I was first introduced to hydro/oxy I snorted em. I just have a straight up addiction to snorting things so even though oral is much better, for me I feel like I wasted it if I eat it. Strange I know
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My girlfriend was exactly like you........she would only snort pills when we first hooked up. I got her to read & learn about the dangers of apap & that she shouldnt be snorting any pill with apap in it. She finally stopped after 3 months of me knowing her & would only snort the pills w/o apap in them, you should do the same even tho you are addicted to the method of snorting, its your health we are talking about.
 
Im trying to kick the snorting habit, been trying to snort less and less and eat em. I just get such wild cravings to snort my pills. Alright to get sorta back on track here I have been without my percs and have been using Demerol and have experienced 0 withdrawal at all. Not sure this would work for those who take more than I do but its working wonders for me as far as W/D goes. Ive been taking 100mg of Demerol in the morning when I get up and 50mg once or twice thru the day and usually another 50mg or 100mg before bed. So roughly 250-300mg a day. Ive heard this is not a dangerous level to take in a 24hour period and I feel I will be ok since I plan to stop the Demerol on Friday when I get my Perc's filled. Not sure if its just me or what but does Demerol give anyone else a serious case of dry mouth? I havent had dry mouth this bad since I had my spinal fusion and they gave me some medicine to keep me from producing saliva during the operation. My mouth was so dry from that experience that I tried to get a dip of scoal and ended up never having to spit it just sat in there dry as a bone lol.
 
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Pethidine (Demerol) is a fucking horrible substance. The risks of using it are nasty and plentiful - I'll mention a few:
Serotonin Syndrome
Seizures
Delirium
Dysphoria
Tremors

This is because, when metabolised, one metabolite - Norpethidine - is extremely toxic and if you use Pethidine regularly it will build up in the bloodstream which increases the risk of the forementioned side effects :\
It has shit analgesic action, it's got a very short mode-of-action timewindow and is horrible for the body.
I would get rid of those or only use the odd tablet every now and again and refrain from any daily consuption (I really do mean very little).

Tramadol will be useful, but again - Don't use it too often and never exceed 400mg a day. It works best if you take one tablet in a staggered manner, that way it's metabolite that has the most potent µ-agonist action, O-Desmethyltramadol, is allowed to build up.
So if you have 50mg tablets, take one every hour until you reach the maximum of 400mg.

Codeine is definitely your best bet. It's the safest of the lot and being in syrup form you won't be able to snort it ;)
You shouldn't snort any of these substances as there are many potentially lethal reactions that could occur.

I would suggest that you divide your Codeine into 4, take that amount a day and take the odd Tramadol if it doesn't do the job well enough.
Just don't go overboard on the Tramadol as it can be like becoming addicted to both an Opiate and an Antidepressant with SNRI properties.
 
monstanoodle said:
Pethidine (Demerol) is a fucking horrible substance. The risks of using it are nasty and plentiful - I'll mention a few:
Serotonin Syndrome
Seizures
Delirium
Dysphoria
Tremors

This is because, when metabolised, one metabolite - Norpethidine - is extremely toxic and if you use Pethidine regularly it will build up in the bloodstream which increases the risk of the forementioned side effects :\
It has shit analgesic action, it's got a very short mode-of-action timewindow and is horrible for the body.
I would get rid of those or only use the odd tablet every now and again and refrain from any daily consuption (I really do mean very little).

Tramadol will be useful, but again - Don't use it too often and never exceed 400mg a day. It works best if you take one tablet in a staggered manner, that way it's metabolite that has the most potent µ-agonist action, O-Desmethyltramadol, is allowed to build up.
So if you have 50mg tablets, take one every hour until you reach the maximum of 400mg.

Codeine is definitely your best bet. It's the safest of the lot and being in syrup form you won't be able to snort it ;)
You shouldn't snort any of these substances as there are many potentially lethal reactions that could occur.

I would suggest that you divide your Codeine into 4, take that amount a day and take the odd Tramadol if it doesn't do the job well enough.
Just don't go overboard on the Tramadol as it can be like becoming addicted to both an Opiate and an Antidepressant with SNRI properties.
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I didnt know you can become addicted to anti-depressants..........
 
DOCperc said:
Im trying to kick the snorting habit, been trying to snort less and less and eat em. I just get such wild cravings to snort my pills. Alright to get sorta back on track here I have been without my percs and have been using Demerol and have experienced 0 withdrawal at all. Not sure this would work for those who take more than I do but its working wonders for me as far as W/D goes. Ive been taking 100mg of Demerol in the morning when I get up and 50mg once or twice thru the day and usually another 50mg or 100mg before bed. So roughly 250-300mg a day. Ive heard this is not a dangerous level to take in a 24hour period and I feel I will be ok since I plan to stop the Demerol on Friday when I get my Perc's filled. Not sure if its just me or what but does Demerol give anyone else a serious case of dry mouth? I havent had dry mouth this bad since I had my spinal fusion and they gave me some medicine to keep me from producing saliva during the operation. My mouth was so dry from that experience that I tried to get a dip of scoal and ended up never having to spit it just sat in there dry as a bone lol.
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Dont mean to get off the subject but was your spine fusion a success? Just asking because I might need one & from what ive read & heard, its a bit better than 50% success.
 
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TheLostBoys said:
I didnt know you can become addicted to anti-depressants..........
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They call Withdrawals from Antideps "Discontinuation Syndrome" to make it seem more acceptable.
And needing to be on it for a long time is because it's "for your own good".

It's no different from the current definition of addiction.
 
^ it's substantially different - what you're referring to is physical dependence. Proper medication usage falls drastically short of accepted definitions of addiction because the use doesn't eat up all your time, interfere with your life, inhibit you socially, academically, professionally, etc.
 
TheLostBoys said:
Dont mean to get off the subject but was your spine fusion a success? Just asking because I might need one & from what ive read & heard, its a bit better than 50% success.
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My fusion surgery went very well, I had a 4 or 5 day recovery in the hospital while on morphine then I was sent home with a walker and scripts for dilaudid, perc 10's and valium. I was back up and mobile way faster than I thought I would be. But, about a month later I started having intense pains down my leg and into my foot turns out I developed complex regional pain syndrome. However, from what ive been told and researched its fairly rare to develop this after spinal fusion. Pretty sure the reason for me developing it was the fact that my vertebra was fractured for roughly 2 years(according to my doc, judging from the scar tissue) and my disk was completely shot so my nerves took a good beating. Fusion helped my back immensely though, I was just very unlucky and developed CRPS.
 
DOCperc said:
My fusion surgery went very well, I had a 4 or 5 day recovery in the hospital while on morphine then I was sent home with a walker and scripts for dilaudid, perc 10's and valium. I was back up and mobile way faster than I thought I would be. But, about a month later I started having intense pains down my leg and into my foot turns out I developed complex regional pain syndrome. However, from what ive been told and researched its fairly rare to develop this after spinal fusion. Pretty sure the reason for me developing it was the fact that my vertebra was fractured for roughly 2 years(according to my doc, judging from the scar tissue) and my disk was completely shot so my nerves took a good beating. Fusion helped my back immensely though, I was just very unlucky and developed CRPS.
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Thanks for the information & sorry to hear about your problems after the surgery. I get paranoid when my doctor talks about possible surgery, I really dont wanna have one & dont wanna go threw the severe pain. I rather go to pain management for the rest of my life but thats just me.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
^ it's substantially different - what you're referring to is physical dependence. Proper medication usage falls drastically short of accepted definitions of addiction because the use doesn't eat up all your time, interfere with your life, inhibit you socially, academically, professionally, etc.
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thank u..anyone who has been addicted knows you dont get "addicted" to anti depressants, thats bs..
 
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