Top DEA agent won't admit heroin more harmful than marijuana

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

When I said I got along fine on benzos before, I wasn't very specific. They did greatly impair me on all cognitive measures but it wasn't enough to prevent me from keeping my job or keep up with general necessities. I also used to abuse alcohol as a means to obliterate my depression and general anxiety however temporarily. It was recreational to me by itself and I think other people share that experience. Alcohol was nowhere near adequate enough to overcome my social anxiety and that's why I used it alone. I felt physically drained during that time period and like i was being poisoned but the temporary escape was hard to resist. I got super high on benzos at home where I had no responsibilities and i used alcohol at home where I had no responsibilities. Eventually either one of them is bound to expand to the rest of your life especially with tolerance and dependence.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6284787
http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/32394/InTech-_beta_endorphin_and_alcoholism.pdf

I think endorphins play a larger role in alcohol abuse than you think. Suboxone completely negates the pleasurable effects of alcohol for me probably due to a similar mechanism as to opiates by blocking endorphin effects. Yes, opiate users use less alcohol, that's not a bad thing. A long acting opiate might just be the best possible thing for an alcoholic by replacing a less efficient endorphin system modulator. The main thing I that I would critique your posts on is that you downplay alcohol's negative effects as much as possible. I'm not trying to be a dick here but I would like to you to recognize that alcohol is a very bad thing for some people and that maybe in some cases opiates are better for them as is my case. My hypothesis may be a hypothesis but if opiates were set to destroy society that would've happened long ago before they were illegal. The opium poppy has been around for a long time.

I'm not saying its a bad thing.

I honestly don't know how you came to that conclusion. I know alcohol can make a very negative impact on some and that it can have a serious withdrawal syndrome. My goal in this discussion isn't to relate alcohol's danger, but if you want me to I can.

It has been around for a while, but the world we live in today is a lot more complicated and connected than even a couple hundred years ago, which I argue would increase consumption. Actually, in that less-complicated world, the Chinese state was almost overrun because of legal opium. Check it out:

http://www.victorianweb.org/history/empire/opiumwars/opiumwars1.html
"If we continue to allow this trade to flourish, in a few dozen years we will find ourselves not only with no soldiers to resist the enemy, but also with no money to equip the army"

 

[Serotonin101]

Yeah britain pretty much overran china back in the day. But just think, if EVERYONE were high on opiates/opioids, no one would be able to fight (a joke). I personally vote we go the portugal route with our drug policy. Thats my vote and im sticking to it. Btw thanks for sourcing the O2 decrease while nodding thing. Good info.

 

[ro4eva]

"If we continue to allow this trade to flourish, in a few dozen years we will find ourselves not only with no soldiers to resist the enemy, but also with no money to equip the army"

Opium in general was used by the Chinese for centuries by a flourishing economy rich in silk and tea trade before the start of the 19th century (which is around the time the Qing Empire began to attempt to ban importing it into the country). Eventually the first opium war erupted due to capitalist/imperialist British greed trying to force more and more Indian opium upon the Chinese through official means at Canton and also by way of national smugglers and middle-men in other ports. At the same time, they were setting the price for opium (in silver) so high that it left China with a potential economic crisis: addicts and a cascading loss in revenue. That would be a good reason why they would find themselves not only with no soldiers to resist the enemy, but also with no money to equip the army.

 

[sweetstufflover]

I didn't read anything, because it's pointless.

I saw this "interview". All I can say is: "Drugs" (opioids, cannabinoids, amphetamines...) will NEVER be legalized or de-criminalized AS LONG AS THE SYSTEM REIGNS. It's 5 to 12 on the clock, and we're getting close to a global fascist state. Prohibiting "drugs" is extremely useful for the system. And if you think that things like "medical marijuana" or the "non-criminalized use of marijuana in Holland/Netherlands" are "a step into the right direction"... I gotta tell you this: They still keep the marijuana illegal, so they can do whatever they want to do with it. BUT: They tax it and make a crap ton of money. But still, they can arrest you, if you have too much of it, or whatever. They can do whatever they want.

And god beware someone uses opioids for something else than physical pain, or for a combination of physical pain + whatever. Opioids are the most useful "drugs", that's why they're prohibited the most.

I won't go into detail, but you know I'm right. Just look at the world, look at the media, look at "medicine" and "pharmacy" (I think you call it medicinal chemistry)... they're PATHETIC! They sold themselves to huge corporations and do whatever they say. They're trained and teached total shit (concerning drugs and so forth), and most doctors will prescribe you 1000 pills of some f*cking neuroleptic drug, but not 1 pill of a normal opioids such as morphine or oxycodone.

God do I hope that mankind rises and claims its right to be free... even some food is restricted now. And it will go on and on and on, if we don't do something about it.

Call me nuts, call me whatever you want, but be honest with yourself. Just because YOU wouldn't do something, doesn't mean someone else wouldn't do it. You can make a petition that's signed by 100 million people - it doesn't matter. They will NEVER release all those precious and valuable substances to mankind.