Tooth Maintenance

[Busty St Clare]

The point I was making with regards to life expectancy is that you would expect to see a direct correlation between areas with or without fluoride across the country, particularly comparing capital cities like Melbourne and Brisbane. The fact you don't see any difference must surely debunk the " fluoride is bad for your health" argument. In an ideal world the government wouldn't have to hold most people's hand to brush their teeth but the cost effectiveness of fluoridation compared to funding hundreds of public dental clinics kind of makes it a no brainer. Threasury > Health minister.

If you think fluoride is bad, as of last week I am qualified to administer Botulinum Toxin A (Botox). Just wait until the conspiracy theorists have to wrap their brain embedded micro chips around that

 

[hustlababy09]

I don't think it matters but I always brush first and then use mouthwash. Make sure you floss too. Flossing is HUGE, a lot of people don't do it, and they end up with cavities even though they brush their teeth religiously.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Busty: That qualification will come in handy when my chain smoking ruins my face eventually.

Too much Xanax damn it, now I see what your point was Busty and I understand it. Maybe when I browse BL chilled out like this I should think twice before I post...

That sounds like a pretty shitty argument against public health measures, no offence. I'm all for personal freedom and liberties, but I think sometimes, if it's backed up by scientific/medical evidence, paternalistic-type approaches like this are appropriate. Given the choice, how many people do you really think would go to the effort? You just need to look at areas where there are public health measures that can't be completely enforced (i.e. most of them) - people still drive under the influence, drive without seatbelts, spend hours in the sun unprotected, eat the most horrendous diets and don't exercise, and so on... Since all of these problems, like poor dental health, are associated with enormous costs to society and burden on the health system (along with the obvious personal impacts) I think the government is justified in doing it's bit to help.

There is a difference between putting fluoride in the water supply that the whole population has to use (or otherwise find other, more expensive alternatives) and enforcing laws that either put both the violator and others at risk (e.g. driving under the influence) or encouraging people to think about their safety (e.g. sunscreen, seatbelts, etc...). Now I've lost my train of thought... wait now it's back again. Like I said, I am 50/50 on the subject. I do appreciate that it is helping the population's dental health, but on the other hand I cannot stand big Government and the fact that they can enforce this on the population means that in the future we may have more questionable public health measures enforced on us. I am somewhat paranoid, yes.

Busty, I do understand that you are a better authority on this subject then me due to your experience.

 

[Divine Moments]

There is a difference between putting fluoride in the water supply that the whole population has to use (or otherwise find other, more expensive alternatives) and enforcing laws that either put both the violator and others at risk (e.g. driving under the influence) or encouraging people to think about their safety (e.g. sunscreen, seatbelts, etc...)

Uh yeah... my point was that there is a difference between them?

 

[Christ!]

I'm not saying it isn't poisonous, but there are many substances more poisonous. A line like "Flouride is one of the most poisonous substances on the earth" is just empty hyperbole that a lot of people are too impressionable and lazy to disbelieve or disprove.

Some are lazy, others enjoy the whole conspiracy thing and the feeling of being in on a secret that the majority don't know or are brainwashed to believe.

It's honestly a bit like religion...I see many similarities in the hardcore conspiracy theorists and the strongly religious.

I guess people will believe what they want to believe. If they aren't hurting anyone let them have their fun It's time wasted trying to speak reason.

I'm half and half on the fluoridation thing. I don't know why people are bringing up life expectancy because the point of adding it in isn't too extend our lives but rather put our teeth in better health. On the one hand, there is evidence showing that public water fluoridation does a lot for helping dental health. On the other hand, I believe people need to make their own decisions (and get their own lives in order) and take care of themselves. The Government's job shouldn't extend to this level of trying to take care of all of us like a nanny (I hate using that term now). They are here to run the country so that people have freedom to make their own choices and decisions. Of course this isn't how it works in real life.

Totally get what you're saying and don't disagree. How far does it extend though, should it be zero government involvement in this kind of thing?...apart from fluoride there's been other things that have been regulated to make them safer (can't think of it now but pretty sure it's a food or drink where they add something or do something - vague I know ) If something simple can be done to make something safer, that'll save lives - should the government do it? Maybe if they didn't overpopulation wouldn't be such a problem, and the more 'stupid' traits/genes would be eventually diminished. Obviously population growth isn't such a big issue here but elsewhere I mean.

Don't think I've explained myself very well...too late to be coherent. I've been finding my more stronger beliefs and ideas have been fading lately, I still feel strongly about some things but with almost everything I start questioning it, and then doubt creeps in and before long you're not really sure about anything.

 

[Divine Moments]

This thread is going way off topic lol

Some are lazy, others enjoy the whole conspiracy thing and the feeling of being in on a secret that the majority don't know or are brainwashed to believe.

It's honestly a bit like religion...I see many similarities in the hardcore conspiracy theorists and the strongly religious.

I guess people will believe what they want to believe. If they aren't hurting anyone let them have their fun It's time wasted trying to speak reason.

Fair point

Totally get what you're saying and don't disagree. How far does it extend though, should it be zero government involvement in this kind of thing?...apart from fluoride there's been other things that have been regulated to make them safer (can't think of it now but pretty sure it's a food or drink where they add something or do something - vague I know ) If something simple can be done to make something safer, that'll save lives - should the government do it? Maybe if they didn't overpopulation wouldn't be such a problem, and the more 'stupid' traits/genes would be eventually diminished. Obviously population growth isn't such a big issue here but elsewhere I mean.

Don't think I've explained myself very well...too late to be coherent. I've been finding my more stronger beliefs and ideas have been fading lately, I still feel strongly about some things but with almost everything I start questioning it, and then doubt creeps in and before long you're not really sure about anything.

Yeah there are other things that are added/regulated. For example, in Australia (and elsewhere) there's mandatory vitamin D fortification of edible oil based spreads and voluntary fortification of other dairy products. Kind of funny that we need that in such a sunny country, but vitamin D deficiency is surprisingly common these days, even in young people.

 

[AyahuascaSeeker13]

Sorry Mods, but I am going to post a link here as it REALLY works. I know people who use coke and louie on a daily basis (on their gums), they use this after every time and their teeth look better than mine hahaha

DIO Toothfoam

Check it out. It may be beneficial.

Again, sorry for the link guys.

 

[grugz]

Fk comapring two cities, just look at one, I think average death age is in the mid 80 atm, and theres ppl who live to 100.
Even put things closer in perspectives, look at your pets, they have shorter life spans than humans, they actually have higher life expectancy in captavity drinking flurided water than in the wild.

hey I bet fluride is in most drugs, the water they use to grow bud, the water theyy use to cook your drugs, the alcohol you drink. The only way to avoid it is to grow your own food, cook, brush, clean, etc not with tap water