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too much 2c?

i read it for a bit, lots of great info there. small bump brought it back up the rolling serotonin feel is amazzzzing and the body loads gone. thanks for the benadryl tip it helped a lot. would taking another g or so of the cubensis bring it to a "next level" or is redosing a waste?
 
Depressicaa said:
I agree with what you're trying to do, making the OP appreciate 2CE by itself, I never hated the 'unpleasant bodyload' and look forward to it, but the OP sure doesn't like it.

I wouldn't rule all OTCs as bad, but hey watch me die from them later haha (You won't die from this OP, you're gonna be fine)!

Did you start reading MAPS?

Hallucinogens, heres a brief explanation of body load.
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I understand that and could have written it myself. The thing is, he just needs to realize it is the roll that is par with a large hit of MDMA which will cause exactly what he is experiencing. The twitches and small convulsions. They can occur on MDMA alone. It isn't the 2C-E, my friend, and you have nothing to worry about.
 
Cubensis? 2CE you mean? 30mg should be a very strong dose, I don't think its necessary. If you have mushrooms though, the work on different receptors, and should have little to no tolerance.
 
no i meant mushies, im saving the 10mg 2c i have left i was wondering if taking more mushies would work well since i already ate them earlier
 
That doesn't mean all the effects are completely diminished. 2C-E in itself is primary LSD based fractals and paterns but still has noticeable psilocybin and mescaline fractals here and there. Cross tolerance is not a hundred percent. I've mixed 2C-P with LSD and could see and feel both substances, visually and introspectively, with 2C-P being stronger of course. I've also mixed 2C-E and 6gs of hydroponic mushrooms and there was a definite noticeability in the psilocybin fractals with an extremely strong introspection and ego death. Definite sign on mushrooms playing into the 2C-E.

You won't necessarily be trippin' on shrooms or LSD primarily but there will be a noticeable difference between the combination verses taking a 2C alone.
 
Actually mushrooms and 2C-E both work on 5ht2a receptors, so they do have a substantial cross-tolerance, dosing some will intensity the trip but at this point since you've already taken 2C-E and mushies you're likely to have a fair bit of tolerance and you might be wasting it.

I'd avoid redosing after 1-2 hours into the trip, as a general rule when mixing psychedelics.

As for the mix, they'll combine well and you'll have a very interesting trip, but the second dose of mushrooms might not hit as hard as you'd expect it to due to the extreme short term tolerance.
 
Hallucinogens said:
It will create extreme inner discomfort and most likely an unwanted deliriant effect. I would just ride it and learn to cope. It will greatly broaden your horizons pertaining to psychedelics. Think happy thoughts and keep good vibes and you'll be fine.

Taking something with it is unnecessary. And you haven't complained about body load so I have no idea why he brought that up. 2C-E has little to no load.
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Whoa there is definitely a body load on 2ce. Maybe for you there is NO body load for you but at 20 mg I definitely get it and its nasty. Not to mention the liquid shits and nausea that also come along without the benadryl!!!!!!

Whats the point of sitting on my toilet shitting and feeling horrible with the stomach pains and liquid shooting out my ass like a rocket???????

Dont get me wrong I really like 2c-e but I dont know if I would want to take it without 25-50 mg of benadryl. It is a great chemical though.
 
alantis360 said:
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Whoa there is definitely a body load on 2ce. Maybe for you there is NO body load for you but at 20 mg I definitely get it and its nasty. Not to mention the liquid shits and nausea that also come along without the benadryl!!!!!!

Whats the point of sitting on my toilet shitting and feeling horrible with the stomach pains and liquid shooting out my ass like a rocket???????

Dont get me wrong I really like 2c-e but I dont know if I would want to take it without 25-50 mg of benadryl. It is a great chemical though.
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Everyone needs different doses in order to not have a body load with every different substance. What he experienced was a mild and cope-able body load if any at all.
 
Of course it was copable. But many situations are better if they aren't unpleasant at all.
He took a higher dosage than what I would start at, and of course has unpleasant shaking. Enjoying a substance by itself is wonderful, but its also bullshit for me to smoke weed without kpins when I do smoke, since paranoia is anything but pleasant.
 
Although all the typical psychedelics act via roughly the same mechanism (HT2A agonists), the cross-tolerance is not complete.

Tryptamines produce much more pronounced short-term tolerance. They are strongly cross-tolerant with eachother.
2Cs likewise are strongly cross-tolerant with eachother, but they tend to produce less tolerance than the tryptamines.
There is cross-tolerance between the two classes of psychedelics, though it is not as complete as it is between psychedelics of the same class.
 
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