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A Life of Static

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Hello all,

I had a bad experience with MDMA about 12 years ago, in my second year of college. I had taken it maybe 10 times before, over the course of a couple of years. This time, however, my friends told me that I "did not look so good". I wasn't able to control my lower jaw, which continually spasmed, and I was apparently incoherent, none of which I can remember. When I woke up the next morning, I knew something was wrong. I felt like I could barely put a thought together, but most obvious to me was the extreme static vision and moving shadows and textures on the walls of my room. I was scared. But, I calmed myself with the belief that I would return to normal function over time. I decided to change my life: stop experimenting with drugs, work harder in school, socialize, figure out a career, etc, and just see where that would take me.

12 years on, my vision is 90% as bad it was when I woke up that morning. After about 3 years I became horribly depressed when it started to become real to me that this would never change. I have learned to deal with it a little better by now, but the worst part about the vision is that reading is difficult; it takes a lot of energy and focus and I cannot do it very quickly. The second worst part is the lack of recognition of the subtlety in people's faces and facial expressions. Everything appears to move around a bit and I have to stare at people's faces a bit longer than what might be considered normal in order to be certain as to what expression is there. Although I have gotten used to it, it still makes my daily experience feel a little bit less than real.

Although my general cognition has improved substantially since the "incident", I am positive that it is not what it was before the incident. In high school I used to be able to absorb reading material and remember pretty much anything I needed to without much effort; now I struggle to remember even the main points of material I have read a few days ago. I am absolutely horrendous at remembering names. The worst symptom of my cognition is how slowly I do everything now; I can put thoughts together and find the right vocabulary eventually but the time it takes is significantly longer than most others (it took me about 45 minutes to write this far).

Far worse than anything else has been the effect of a decade of depression caused by this. I have struggled with the change in my daily experience, mixed with a lack of understanding of exactly what has happened to me, and the tremendous guilt that comes with knowing that I did this to myself. I have discussed it with almost no one, save a few psychologists along the way, who had no valuable answers. I could not deal with all of this and spent most of my twenties completely engrossed in video games, escaping reality. I have maintained a few friends over the years but still struggle socially. Worst of all is the loss of confidence, creativity, and the chronic feeling of failure and loss.

After losing my job in November, I decided to again try to develop a fulfilled life, connected with the world around me. I quit playing video games entirely and went back to school (I had dropped out the semester following the incident). I was able to pass my first semester with C's, but it was quite a struggle. I am at this point where I am beyond feeling guilty about what I did to myself...I have paid my dues. Now I just want to understand it, and do whatever it takes to recover from this seemingly permanent condition.

I am writing here for advice. I am considering getting a CT scan to try to figure out if there are any "holes" in my brain. From most of what I have read it seems like the problem is most likely due to a chemical imbalance, but I just want to be certain. I exercise almost daily, including weight training three times a week, consistently. I eat reasonably healthy, and read often (despite how long it takes). Basically I treat my body and brain well and live like a normal, healthy person, but doing so has not improved my condition in 12 years (except for some mild improvement in the very beginning). The only real gains I have had have related to my ability to "get used to" the condition, but there is a limit to how much that helps my situation.

Any thoughts or advice as to what is going on in my brain, and what actions I should take next, would be very dearly appreciated.

Kindest thanks

"Static"
 
Hello Static.

So how Often was you using MDMA ?
Did you ever use Test kits to ensure it was always MDMA that you got?


What kind of Doses of MDMA was you using?
How many times did you redose ?
 
Hello Static.

So how Often was you using MDMA ?
Did you ever use Test kits to ensure it was always MDMA that you got?


What kind of Doses of MDMA was you using?
How many times did you redose ?

Hello Sam,

I used MDMA about 20 times total over the course of 2 years, never less than a week between the sessions, usually much longer. I did not know of or use test kits, although others took pills from what seemed to be the same batch and did not have any problems. My experience in the earlier part of that evening seemed identical to previous times I had taken MDMA.

That night I took two pills, within an hour of each other, possibly a third later, I cannot recall. Usually I would take 1-2 pills in an evening. This was the last time that I ever took MDMA, or anything harder than marijuana.

During those two years preceding the incident, along with the MDMA, I took LSD maybe 15 times, mushrooms a handful of times, tried "whippits" and coke once, binge drank on the weekends, and smoked marijuana almost daily.

I continued smoking marijuana for about 2 years after the incident, but aside from maybe 3 beers per week, I have been completely drug-free for about 10 years.

Thanks for responding.
 
What Country are you from?

Did you know that you are meant to wait around 30 days (minimum) and 60 days (reasonable wait) and 90 days (ideal wait)
This is to allow your brains receptors to heal and rewire, as well as for you to produce more serotonin.

You could have been sold a non-mdma substance.
We cant know what you took that night though,
HOWEVER

If you was using once a week sometimes, and high doses its highly likely what you are experiencing is from MDMA use only.

Have you ever been prescribed antidepressants or seen a Doctor about this before? are you suffering from severe depression?

If you want to PM me feel free to btw
 
woah. first off, your cognition is worse, you're 12 years older. second off, why the hell didn't you go straight to a doctor 12 years ago?! go find an opthalmologist!
 
I'm sorry but this op sounds like the spokesperson for the DARE. program. Don't ever do drugs kids ur brain will get holes in it and u will turn into a carrot! I'm sorry if I sound a lil cold but its been 12 years ago and this is the ops first post on bl. Has anybody ever thought this is the new way to deter drug use coming onto sites such as bluelight talking bout these horrific stories of doom and gloom from drug use?

Sorry darksidesam if this is inappropriate but I'm a lil skeptical of posts like these. Delete if u deem necessary. But like I said this sounds exactly like a DARE ad!
 
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What Country are you from?

Did you know that you are meant to wait around 30 days (minimum) and 60 days (reasonable wait) and 90 days (ideal wait)
This is to allow your brains receptors to heal and rewire, as well as for you to produce more serotonin.

You could have been sold a non-mdma substance.
We cant know what you took that night though,
HOWEVER

If you was using once a week sometimes, and high doses its highly likely what you are experiencing is from MDMA use only.

Have you ever been prescribed antidepressants or seen a Doctor about this before? are you suffering from severe depression?

If you want to PM me feel free to btw

I'm from the USA.

I did not research anything before taking MDMA, I had a group of friends that were doing it all the time, I was a 19 year old kid and thought I was invincible.

I tried several antidepressants over the years, have told psychologists/psychiatrists about it but they had no answers for me besides traditional antidepressants, which never helped. They tried stimulants as well which made the static even worse. I haven't told my parents or family outside of my wife because they would not understand, perhaps even see justice in the fact that I am suffering.

I did suffer from severe depression over many of those years; I coped with it by losing myself in video games several hours a day. I have been functional in terms of getting up and going to work every day for this whole time, and have tried very hard to appear normal to the outside world, but privately I have come close to suicide countless times over the years, and my behavior has been hard on my wife.

I was going to try to keep these posts in the open on the chance that more people might respond, I sincerely appreciate the offer however
 
Sorry darksidesam if this is inappropriate but I'm a lil skeptical of posts like these. Delete if u deem necessary. But like I said this sounds exactly like a DARE ad!



Regardless of all of this, you must remember than when you use the internet, your identity and personality is very obscured and hidden and for all we know this is a person in distress, using the internet.

So education and help/assistance should still be posted, not only for the benefit of this particular person in distress but of anyone using the search engine say. I think that freedom of speech is important as well. It gives people the opportunity to look at things from all angles.

I was going to try to keep these posts in the open on the chance that more people might respond, I sincerely appreciate the offer however
I meant additionally pm'ing me as well as keeping this open to offer you support

You need to see a therapist, or you need to get some medical attention perhaps a neurologist.
Do you drink much alcohol ? ,
 
Does sound a lot like HPPD to me. It's supposedly common for people suffering from HPPD to have depression, anxiety and depersonalisation too.
 
I just find it strange that a person with these kinda issues would come to a drug forum and ask basically a bunch of druggies for advice lol I mean that kinda is what we r right? And since drugs git him into this situation in the first place I don't understand why ask us instead of a professional. But u make a valid point and that's why ur the mod and I'm not lol. I see what ur saying.

Good luck to u op I hope things get better for u.
 
Could be a combination of MDMA and LSD use causing HPPD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder

Does that sound like what you have? Or do you already know about HPPD?

Yes, I have read about HPPD and I most definitely have HPPD...for life, it seems. While I did have similar (albeit more intense) visual distortions when taking LSD, I did not take LSD the night that this happened. It was MDMA only. Before that night, my vision was completely normal, outside of the times when I was actually tripping.

I also have persistent memory and cognitive issues which have recovered far better than my vision, but still affect my daily life.
 
I just find it strange that a person with these kinda issues would come to a drug forum and ask basically a bunch of druggies for advice lol I mean that kinda is what we r right? And since drugs git him into this situation in the first place I don't understand why ask us instead of a professional. But u make a valid point and that's why ur the mod and I'm not lol. I see what ur saying.

Good luck to u op I hope things get better for u.

How is this strange at all? People ask similar questions all the time on drug forums (and this one in particular). Who knows better than people who have used similar drugs and from some who have also have suffered depression, HPPD, anxiety, etc from their drug use.
The label druggie has a negative connotation to it. I would not call many of the users here druggies. In my book, safe, responsible users who space out their drug use are not druggies.

The OP is asking for any thoughts or advice, and I think he is in the right place if the right users step up with replies.
 
so it's not actual physical eye damage? that is what i was thinking.

It sounds like HPPD. I suffer from it as well. I went through a two year period where I smoked everyday for maybe 6 months of that time, did e maybe 25 times, acid 6-7 times, and shrooms maybe 5-6 times.
One day I got so fucked up on spice that i was hallucinating my ass off, and it was not fun (shit like my hands fell apart into little blocks and broke apart, my arms flew away, my friend turned into like 10 different people and was dancing around me...) and ever since I have had HPPD.
I have static everyday, all day long. Some days it's way worse than others, but it is always there. It gets worse if I drink heavily for days in a row, or if I drink a lot of caffeine. I've had it for 2 years. It got slowly worse for the first year. Things in my peripherals would constantly move around. Walls breathe when i concentrate on them. I can see patterns on walls, sometimes they move around too. I would see smiley faces in everything i looked at, whether it was grass, carpet, bushes, the sky, etc. I don't see the smilies anymore, and I'm so used to the moving in my peripherals that it isn't that bad anymore. Things started shifting in my actual line of sight over the last year though. It's worse if I unfocus my eyes, though. The static has gotten worse though over the last year (went through a 6 month period where I drank HEAVILY probably 3 days a week) that I think added to the static. I still drink heavily on days I drink, but not as bad as it was, or as often.
Smoking weed makes it ALOT worse. Even days or weeks after I have smoked. So i have stopped smoking completely.
For the last year and a half I have weight lifted 3-4 days a week, eat super healthy, take vitamins and fish oils, etc. I hope that it will not last a life time, but only time will tell. Maybe one day when i slow down my alcohol consumption i might see results.
 
How is this strange at all? People ask similar questions all the time on drug forums (and this one in particular). Who knows better than people who have used similar drugs and from some who have also have suffered depression, HPPD, anxiety, etc from their drug use.
The label druggie has a negative connotation to it. I would not call many of the users here druggies. In my book, safe, responsible users who space out their drug use are not druggies.

The OP is asking for any thoughts or advice, and I think he is in the right place if the right users step up with replies.

Thanks
 
It sounds like HPPD. I suffer from it as well. I went through a two year period where I smoked everyday for maybe 6 months of that time, did e maybe 25 times, acid 6-7 times, and shrooms maybe 5-6 times.
One day I got so fucked up on spice that i was hallucinating my ass off, and it was not fun (shit like my hands fell apart into little blocks and broke apart, my arms flew away, my friend turned into like 10 different people and was dancing around me...) and ever since I have had HPPD.
I have static everyday, all day long. Some days it's way worse than others, but it is always there. It gets worse if I drink heavily for days in a row, or if I drink a lot of caffeine. I've had it for 2 years. It got slowly worse for the first year. Things in my peripherals would constantly move around. Walls breathe when i concentrate on them. I can see patterns on walls, sometimes they move around too. I would see smiley faces in everything i looked at, whether it was grass, carpet, bushes, the sky, etc. I don't see the smilies anymore, and I'm so used to the moving in my peripherals that it isn't that bad anymore. Things started shifting in my actual line of sight over the last year though. It's worse if I unfocus my eyes, though. The static has gotten worse though over the last year (went through a 6 month period where I drank HEAVILY probably 3 days a week) that I think added to the static. I still drink heavily on days I drink, but not as bad as it was, or as often.
Smoking weed makes it ALOT worse. Even days or weeks after I have smoked. So i have stopped smoking completely.
For the last year and a half I have weight lifted 3-4 days a week, eat super healthy, take vitamins and fish oils, etc. I hope that it will not last a life time, but only time will tell. Maybe one day when i slow down my alcohol consumption i might see results.

I consumed about as much of everything you described there before I developed HPPD. Mine also gets worse if I drink too much caffeine, or if I don't get enough sleep. Smoking weed made it worse for me as well and that is why I stopped. But like I said, it's been 10 years since I even smoked weed and my vision is not any better. I have basically all the symptoms that you described, but things move around directly in front of me, not just peripherals. It's as if there is a coating on everything that shimmers and flows around. Maybe twice a month I will have a bright flash somewhere in my vision which is concurrent with the feeling of getting hit by something at a high speed. Not painful, but startling. Together with persistent afterimages, it takes a lot of focus to read. I get by because I am very familiar with it, but it is not fun. It's hard for me to remember what it was like to see clearly.

I wish I had better news for you, but after 2 years I still had confidence that I would return to normal as well, and quit smoking weed because I figured that the weed was prolonging the problem. Unfortunately this was not the case. I wish you luck.

Thanks for sharing. I will keep you posted on my progress, if any occurs.
 
I feel like it could be a mental blockage of some sort, along with the HPPD. Have you tried hypnosis? I honestly think that may be one of your better bets. Even if you're a sceptic, you should at least give it a shot.

I have not tried hypnosis, but a mental blockage would be a best-case scenario. I have wondered for a while if my memory and focus issues have been psychologically rather than neurologically based, but don't have an easy way of knowing for sure. Psychologists/psychiatrists have not helped...what do you know about hypnosis, and why do you think it would be helpful? Have you tried it?
 
I'll put it as simply as i can man. First off, it's never too late for recovery, you just have to commit to making the right moves. From all this it sound like your issues could be psychologically based, which would honestly probably be better. But, if it this is a neurological issue there are two things you NEED to do. Exercise, 5 days a week, I know it fucking sucks man trust me but it'll help. It will release a growth hormone which will begin to repair any existing damage done to serotonin axons and nerve cells. It should become very clear after a couple days of working out that it is and will continue to make a difference. Also eat healthy, get your protein and a lot of it(I know this is beginning to sound like body building but trust me these things are probably even better for your mind than they are your body). Eat fruits and vegetables everyday, preferably raw to get the maximum nutrients. You don't have to go crazy with the dieting but if you can manage to get in a couple fruits, a serving of vegetables and some lean meat every day you will be making a slow but sure difference. Hope that helps you man I wish you the best.
 
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