Benzos Tolerance so high I don't get why people enjoy benzos at all

[mentholmigraine]

I have been taking benzos for a long time (years atp) every single day as prescribed, and only started getting into the habit of abusing it slightly over the past year or so. Never did I find it recreational at all, so if you do enjoy benzos, why? How so? And what is your usual dose?

I find them a bit dull and boring, so I'm leading with the assumption that most people are not abusing actual prescription benzos but pills cut with something else. Even sublingual is a bit boring!

 

[aokorn]

I would like to point out the actual reason for the existence and development of benzodiazepines. They are essentially medications. Many people suffer from problems such as anxiety, stress, depression... Benzodiazepines were developed to treat these conditions (instantly).

Of course, they can also be abused, which is what most people here on BL do. Naturally, this leads to undesirable conditions (such as tolerance, dependence, side effects...).

In my opinion, benzodiazepines are medications and, as such, are not primarily intended to be used to “get high.” They only develop their true potential when used to treat specific and given psychosomatic illnesses.

Other substances are better suited for getting high.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Daily as prescribed, that is called abuse here. 3 weeks top medical guidelines say. No wonder they do little at that point then keeping symptoms of discontinuation away. Never felt much recreational purpose in them. Even Clonazolam which is considered great or Flunitrazepam [the -lam version was even shittier] just good way s to get to sleep when insomnia setted in.

Pagoclone didn t do it for me 10/ 30 mg bunk RC ? But was touted as the Alcohol substitute. So that trail didn t lead to anywhere good Pyenazolam is that the correct name ? Sounded better but never tried it. Only exception for me Temazepam. That was a bit like the Alcohol or GHB version of Benzo s. It actually gave a nice high while awake, it was considered one of the better alternatives by dr s here. Seems way to short and pleasurable for sleep.

Imo till today the only euphoric one, Etizolam still was the best under the sun for general use. Not recreational for me but best in allround effect s.

 

[WellTram]

I am prescribed benzos for almost 15 years.
Right now I take diazepam but they are all almost simmilar. One is slightly better for anxiety, another is better for muscle relaxation etc.
But for me they are not even considered as sleep medication or sedative. They just help me with muscle stifness and to be more comfortable doing casual activities where are other people included like, it makes me more comfortable to go for a walk with my dog and enjoy being outdoors than doing the same but without taking any benzos before doing it.
Other than being more social and comfortable outside, they only helps with my pain.
For sedation and to actually feel some kind of downers high I have to take a lot of opioids and on top of them at least 50mg of promethazine.
Non-addictive promethazine produces more mentaly noticable effects for me than benzodiazepines.
But benadryl or hydroxizine are useless for me. It has to be promethazine. I don't know why but it is somehow capable of being potent on its own and when taken on top of my pain meds, it is really making them stronger and i feel actual sedation of the promethazine.

But if we travel back in time, benzos were definitely enjoyable without any tolerance. They were like instant body+mind relaxants.
Now I have to take them because of dependency and only medical benefit ( or medical and recreational ) is muscle relaxstion and hightened comfort during social interactions.

 

[Chaurus]

I have been taking benzos for a long time (years atp) every single day as prescribed, and only started getting into the habit of abusing it slightly over the past year or so. Never did I find it recreational at all, so if you do enjoy benzos, why? How so? And what is your usual dose?

I find them a bit dull and boring, so I'm leading with the assumption that most people are not abusing actual prescription benzos but pills cut with something else. Even sublingual is a bit boring!

It would depend on the dosage and the kind of benzo. Etizolam I never quite injoyed and would make me fall to sleep too soon.

Bromazolam wasn't recreational, but as a sleeping aid after stims it was excellent.

Xanax I also used for sleep.

Pyrazolam was mainly anxiolytic, which was wonderful against stimulant and/or disso induced paranoia. I actually dared to be around my mother and watch tv in the comedown from NEP.

 

[placebonaut]

benzodiazepines are medications and, as such, are not primarily intended to be used to “get high.” They only develop their true potential when used to treat specific and given psychosomatic illnesses.

 

[vision conquest]

I am prescribed benzos for almost 15 years.
Right now I take diazepam but they are all almost simmilar. One is slightly better for anxiety, another is better for muscle relaxation etc.
But for me they are not even considered as sleep medication or sedative. They just help me with muscle stifness and to be more comfortable doing casual activities where are other people included like, it makes me more comfortable to go for a walk with my dog and enjoy being outdoors than doing the same but without taking any benzos before doing it.
Other than being more social and comfortable outside, they only helps with my pain.
For sedation and to actually feel some kind of downers high I have to take a lot of opioids and on top of them at least 50mg of promethazine.
Non-addictive promethazine produces more mentaly noticable effects for me than benzodiazepines.
But benadryl or hydroxizine are useless for me. It has to be promethazine. I don't know why but it is somehow capable of being potent on its own and when taken on top of my pain meds, it is really making them stronger and i feel actual sedation of the promethazine.

But if we travel back in time, benzos were definitely enjoyable without any tolerance. They were like instant body+mind relaxants.
Now I have to take them because of dependency and only medical benefit ( or medical and recreational ) is muscle relaxstion and hightened comfort during social interactions.

You have hit the nail on the head when you said they were enjoyable before tolerance developed.

I think most substances are subjective and different peoples biology yields different results but benzos seem to be more subjective than most substances.
A poster above said temazepam was the best one he tried...for me it literally does nothing, doesn't even really work as a sedative.

Personally I am on methadone, have been for a long time and the right benzo when taken on top of my dose can be very enjoyable.

As you said instant mind and body relaxation.

However if I take them to often they quickly lose their appeal.

I never really liked stims, always liked my downers and benzos fit the bill nicely for me combined with my methadone.

 

[WellTram]

You have hit the nail on the head when you said they were enjoyable before tolerance developed.

I think most substances are subjective and different peoples biology yields different results but benzos seem to be more subjective than most substances.
A poster above said temazepam was the best one he tried...for me it literally does nothing, doesn't even really work as a sedative.

Personally I am on methadone, have been for a long time and the right benzo when taken on top of my dose can be very enjoyable.

As you said instant mind and body relaxation.

However if I take them to often they quickly lose their appeal.

I never really liked stims, always liked my downers and benzos fit the bill nicely for me combined with my methadone.

I like stimulants once in a while but they really do big harm to our nerves, brain, muscles etc.
My drugs of choice are my pain meds - mostly dihydrocodeine, it makes me feel ok. No pain, no paranoid delusions, no insomnia.
If I want more stimmy opioid i am very good at metabolizing tramadol so than i choose tramadol. They make my mind high and my body relieved from every discomfort. And if I need deeper sedation, i add promethazine.
When I want just relaxation, general relaxation of mind and body - diazepam is perfect choice. Sometimes tizanidine ( muscle relaxant ) is my pain medication when my pain is related to muscles.
And my previously deep and serious depression is now after many failed attempts to cure its symptoms by many antidepressants cured by atypical ones - vortioxetine ( no sexual disfunction, actual cognitive boost, no too much serotonine ) and sometimes i add mirtazapine for sleep ( 15mg ) or for noticably raised noradrenaline 45mg. But I try to avoid mirtazapine cause it makes u gain weight even if u don't eat more than usually.

So, vortioxetine for serotonine, noradrenaline, dopamine. Pain meds like dihydrocodeine for body comfort and slight mental high ( sometimes other opioid ) , promethazine for potentiation and for sedation, diazepam for relaxation. I don't smoke weed anymore, i quit smoking cigarettes too. I try to use less substances.
And i forgot, sometimes I enjoy dextrometorfan. DXM has huge potention as a painkiller, antidepressant and in getting rid of addictions. And its not only about its NMDA antagonism. I used memantine which is much more potent nmda antagonist and also keramike but dextrometorfan and its metabolite provide unique effects and experience.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I like the stress relief they provide, also the sleep.

recreation wise you kind of need alot of em and a tolerance high enough to ENJOY alot of them -- IME; which is anectdotal. like always take "lams over pams" -- temazepam exception - temazolam exist?

IMO some benzos are euphoric and some are not -- outside of the euphoria of stress relief and sleep when truly needed; and even those you gotta go aways to squeeze a euphoric buzz out of

*Edit* Without weed I have noticed alot less subjective effects with benzo's - prolly just me though honestly. Without weed nothing hits the same lol

 

[Dextro .45]

You’re prescribed Clonazepam (Klonopin) daily? ..prominent anticonvulsant effects, anxiolytic, etc

Some benzodiazepine are more pleasurable…..people do speak highly of Clonazepam as I’ve have plenty of 0.5mg peach tablets and are a gold standard of the Big 4 (Valium, Xanax, Ativan, K-Pins)

Alprazolam (Xanax) 2mg bars are probably the most sought after due to Alprazolams rapid onset and significant increase in dopamine as compared to other Benzo’s …..Alprazolam has antidepressant/mood-boosting properties due to its Triazolo ring, in part by a moderate increase in dopamine

Diazepam (Valium) is also very enjoyable as the Gold Standard benzodiazepine with its prominent muscle relaxant properties & potent anxiolytic

Valium 10’s and Xanax 2mg bars are the ultimate euphoric Benzo combo id say……..beautiful combo

Nowhere near as pleasurable than euphoria king Oxycodone and Ritalin (Methylphenidate) combo (Opioid ecstasy + euphoric dopaminergic stimulant) oral Speedball…..but I personally add Valium & Xanax too my oral Speedball making it a hybrid Brompton Cocktail …the most pleasurable combination originally designed for terminally ill patients to ease their physical and mental discomfort/pain/anxiety, while making them mentally alert and engaged, even euphoric, talkative , significant mood-boosting antidepressant effects .

Benzodiazepines have their place and an excellent safety profile as compared with the dangerous Barbituates of the early 1900’s …..a patient with serious anxiety, PTSD, severe mental trauma etc…..a 2mg Xanax Bar and several Valium 10mg tablets would be a GodSend as the horrid crippling anxiety and mental anguish rapidly melts away into a pleasurable state of loose, relaxed muscles, and mentally similar to going from stressed out CIA interrogation waterboarding torture into just having sexual climax with an angel then peacefully enjoying a premium cigarette with a strong delicious drink on the beach listening to the peaceful tides flowing back and forth as the warm sun caresses your face lol….Ohhhhh Yaaaa….

Relax….and enjoy a Brompton Cocktail

Know your limits, and play within.

 

[CfZrx]

I have been taking benzos for a long time (years atp) every single day as prescribed, and only started getting into the habit of abusing it slightly over the past year or so. Never did I find it recreational at all, so if you do enjoy benzos, why? How so? And what is your usual dose?

They seemed to only lead to blackouts and relapses on alcohol for me. EXCEPT... I never managed to find a benzo connection when I was using illicit opiates, but the times I found some I noticed that the opiates were 10 times as euphoric.
Harm reduction: mixing the 2 is also the easiest way to overdose and die.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

yea thinking back without weed -- and usually an opi of some kind on board they did less euphorically forsure. I think more symbiosis/cumulative effect than potentiation but who knows
Dont combine CNS depressants!

Almost nobody overdoses on a benzo alone -- most of them you cant, nitrazepam aside; and I do not know why they don't switch that out for a diff benzo in those countries. (Cost of production?)

Direct quote from a nurse "How many of these klonopins would I have to take before worrying about an overdose" --- Kind of chuckles, "well how many would it take you to choke on em?" --- I wouldnt take like 300 to press that but the LD50 is alot more than 300mgs. -- Some oral LD50 values documented are >4000 mg/kg for the mouse mode' -- of course that is mice dont roll the dice. You dont gotta be too shy either though if you have a clean system otherwise.

Now add a drink, some ghb, an opiate, a barb, maybe even a antihistamine or BP medication -- may be the last thing you do

 

[PtahTek]

BP medication

funny you should mention this:
i had to stop taking clonidine (which is prescribed to me for anxiety and insomnia) for a few days cause i was eating too much weed, dosing bnz as norm (just enough to leep any major wd symptoms at bay), i think I ended up double dosing - by accident - my nightly gabap, took nightly statin (which also lowers bp) and took the clonidine. everything normal cept the eating weed excessively.
woke gasping for air several times over two nights. third night i stayed awake. stopped the clonidine and statin for a couple nights while reining in my bud munching frenzy and now back to normal.
i learned that this bnz and high thc consumption does in fact lead to dangerous levels of respiratory depression in me.
this also happened at two other points in yhe last few years so i kinda feel fairly sure its mostly this bnz.

 

[PtahTek]

ot

yep
bnz is one option for relieving specific symptoms.
relieving crippling symptoms gives a little hope back.
if ya dont need bnz dont do em ya will absolutely find them "boring".

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Rubber Nipple kid Morphine preparation YEAH

Great delivery system aimed at kids is very questionable or were there several grown up versions. Lot of you probably would gladly volunteer to test it. Combined with the tooth ache drops find the sweet spot.

 

[fuckabout89]

I have been taking benzos for a long time (years atp) every single day as prescribed, and only started getting into the habit of abusing it slightly over the past year or so. Never did I find it recreational at all, so if you do enjoy benzos, why? How so? And what is your usual dose?

I find them a bit dull and boring, so I'm leading with the assumption that most people are not abusing actual prescription benzos but pills cut with something else. Even sublingual is a bit boring!

You're not taking the right ones, try and abuse Halcion youll enjoy that