Tolerance from poppy seed tea.

[malfunkshun]

Anyway, I have a few questions for you malfunkshun, or anyone else knowledgeble. I've been worrying about side effects of PST. The tea made from those seeds is full of other compounds. From opiate alkaloids to plant and oil matter to dust and possibly pesticides. As much as I love drinking that brownish yellow liquid, I hate to think about what else is in the tea. Do you have any insight or information? I worry about toxins that could be damaging to the kidneys or liver. Just ingesting that much dust which must coat the seeds while they sit before being packaged or while they are being shipped seems like it could be bad. I don't know, I may just be paranoid, but I was wondering if anyone else had thought of this.

Also, have any of you noticed a lot of vendors washing their seeds so they are no good? I've heard it happening a lot, and I've noticed it as well. Seeds are no longer dark blue/black, but are instead a light blue/grey and no matter how many you use, they are worthless.

i've never even thought about possible toxins in the seeds. like some other peeps have said, i've assumed that since its for human consumption that toxins would be at a minimum. its not something i'm going to start worrying about, especially now, since it seems that every seed source is now bunk. i haven't had a good dose of pst in several weeks.

i don't know if vendors are washing their seeds. i do know that seeds straight from the pod have no residue on them. so thats probably why some seeds are bunk... when pods are processed for the opium, it gets on the seeds is what i think.

 

[Heyoka]

I've been playing with PST for the past few weeks. I recently found a source for cheap and potent seeds. Oddly enough last time I was there there were a few containers full that were obviously quite a bit darker than the others and I thought "Ooh, more potent seeds" but they really weren't any more potent (course I didn't make any real measurements). The dark color might actually be from being toasted , I don't know. Either way, PST gets me high as fuck, nod and everything. These seeds actually have little bits of pod in the mix and are only 2.19 a pound. Fortunately, it's about a 40 minute drive from the house to get'em. The tea that comes from them ends up yellowish and I don't find the taste (cold water shake in a water jug) disagreeable at all. I do get some stomach pain that lasts about 20 minutes though.

I've also found that the white seeds sold for Indian cooking (sauce thickening agent) also work but those I've had aren't too potent.

Now, how long does it take to develope real dependence on average? I've no desire to be addicted to these. Also, I drink grapefruit juice prior to drinking the tea is tagamet better or does it do the same thing ?

 

[malfunkshun]

It depends on whether or not you've done a lot of opiates in the past. You'll get hooked pretty quickly if you are an experienced opiate user.

 

[blase deviant]

You can rewash like 3-4 time in one day and not gain a tolerance if you rewash right in a row.

 

[garuda]

You can rewash like 3-4 time in one day and not gain a tolerance if you rewash right in a row.

What?

 

[smokester]

You can rewash like 3-4 time in one day and not gain a tolerance if you rewash right in a row.

What?

I think his post is self-contradicting. Redosing 3-4 times with no tolerance...? You already gained a big one.

 

[Heyoka]

Malfunkshun, time for some mailbox cleanup.

Yeah, as nice as they are I think I'm playing with fire with the poppy seed tea. I've not reordered kratom because I can be a bit prone to bad habits. I've done my share of prescription painkillers but I've always counted on running out to avoid addiction with those. In other words the only drug dealer I used was my pharmacist.

 

[Heyoka]

I think he means as long as you don't come down completely you can extend the buzz with pre tolerance quantities.

 

[noone1]

I don't want to dick-size but i've been using seed tea off-and-on for over 5 years now. My longest stint has been the past two years using poppy seed tea pretty much every single day at 6-8 pounds of seeds. Going through a bit of withdrawal right now actually and it's not so bad.

The problem with seed tea is that the opiate content can change dramatically even from using the same vendor for years. It's totally random how much you get. Sometimes a particular batch will have absolutely no effect on me no matter how much I use and then I decide to wait a few days for the old seeds to be replaced out of the bulk bin, the new batch might (or might not!) get me high as a kite with only 3 or 4 pounds worth.

Withdrawal has never been much of a problem for me, it feels like a really bad flu, the worst is the mental pains. I've come close a few times to seriously considering suicide. Really it can be a pain that the opiate content changes so drastically, but if you're careful it can be a way to cut your tolerance even if it is non-consentual.

Good luck, it's possible to be a recreational user for years without much happening. It's not like you need the will-power of say controlling an oxy or heroin addiction but the dangers are still there.

 

[garuda]

I think he means as long as you don't come down completely you can extend the buzz with pre tolerance quantities.

Well thats true to an extent, but the downside is in a day or two your tolerance is going to be even worse then if you dosed once.

 

[garuda]

My longest stint has been the past two years using poppy seed tea pretty much every single day at 6-8 pounds of seeds.

Holy fracking shit batman, are you serious dude 8 pounds?

I get tired of washing 1/4 to 1/2 pound daily, granted I'm using strong seeds.

I'm not looking down on you I'm just kinda shocked, what do you do with all the washed seeds lol?

To anyone worried its not so bad being physically addicted to PST, I mean you can stock up when you find a good batch fairly cheaply. And if you need some you can just pop over to the grocery and buy more.
Its probably the cheapest and safest opiate habit you could have, granted its still a habit.

 

[blase deviant]

Well thats true to an extent, but the downside is in a day or two your tolerance is going to be even worse then if you dosed once.

I followed the 3-day rule and never gained a tolerance this way.

Maybe it's just a personal thing though.

 

[noone1]

Holy fracking shit batman, are you serious dude 8 pounds?

I get tired of washing 1/4 to 1/2 pound daily, granted I'm using strong seeds.

I'm not looking down on you I'm just kinda shocked, what do you do with all the washed seeds lol?

I throw them in my garden or in compost, it's not that hard to get rid of organic matter. Yes it's a lot but I have my rituals all worked out, the right sort of pans and pots and collanders so I can get it all done in about 20 minutes.

To anyone worried its not so bad being physically addicted to PST, I mean you can stock up when you find a good batch fairly cheaply. And if you need some you can just pop over to the grocery and buy more.
Its probably the cheapest and safest opiate habit you could have, granted its still a habit.

True, but like I said if you only have one source and it goes bad you can be fucked for quite a while.

As for rewashing... I recommend doing what I do, do all the rewashings at once and just mix all the liquid together. It's just as potent if not more and you get a shit load of poppy tea out of the deal.

 

[malfunkshun]

Holy fracking shit batman, are you serious dude 8 pounds?

once you have a tolerance even really potent seeds take a lot to get you high. at one point, what used to get me high at .5 pounds took 3 pounds. so 8 pounds isn't really surprising considering he's been using every day for 2 years, i did the same thing. at one point it was taking 6 pounds to get me high... granted these seeds weren't the best in the world but as far as i'm concerned, any seeds that have alkaloids are good seeds... some don't have ANY and NO amount will get you high

 

[yellodolphin]

ya i remember seeing some tests done with addicts in the 1900's on morphine and heroin, they could easily take 100 times thier original dose after building tolerance.

 

[garuda]

once you have a tolerance even really potent seeds take a lot to get you high.

Yea I understand that, I really didn't mean to come off like I did. I just was surprised at the amount, and the pain in the butt it would be to prepare daily and to acquire. Also I'd be worried at that level of use of running into the inevitable bunk batch as withdrawals would be horrendous. I wasn't judging anyone and didn't mean to come off so harsh.

Funny thing with PST is I've been able to comfortably stay at my current use without tolerance escalating too bad, using once every 24 hours I still get good effects(less then when I began naturally but still good). Taking a break of a few days every so often does improve the effects somwhat, in this way PST seems different then pharmaceuticals where tolerance is stubborn.

But I enjoy a functional high, if I wanted a nod I would have to double my dose.

 

[malfunkshun]

I didn't think you came off harsh at all.

And it IS a pain in the butt to acquire and prepare daily when it takes that much to get high. It also becomes a problem when disposing of the seeds. I have clogged up my commode on a few occassions after flushing used seeds. Also, my sink disposal upchucked some seeds that apparently hadn't gone all the way down on a couple of occassions when I was running the dishwasher.

Lately I've just been tossing them into the yard, spreading them around. Not surprisingly, I have a patch of ground with hundreds, maybe thousands of tiny little sprounts. I'm not expecting them to grow to maturity as I'm not doing anything to them at all, but they've been there for about 3 weeks now and haven't died yet.

 

[garuda]

Lately I've just been tossing them into the yard, spreading them around. Not surprisingly, I have a patch of ground with hundreds, maybe thousands of tiny little sprounts. I'm not expecting them to grow to maturity as I'm not doing anything to them at all, but they've been there for about 3 weeks now and haven't died yet.

Yea do like I do and play johnny poppy seed, I spread them anywhere there is a empty field that doesn't get mowed or at the edges of wooded lots wherever I think there is a hope they could grow. Climate here isn't good right now though, too hot probably more of a chance they could grow during my very mild autumn.

I've seen a plant get to six inches high before apparently the bugs got to it

You could also spread them in your yard for the birds, they go crazy for them.

 

[change-jug]

I would have to say that in my opinion PST sucks compared to using poppy pod tea. 5 to 7 pods and I am more fucked than i could want. And i don`t have to deal with a shit ton of little seeds. I have a high op tolerance and pod tea is a nice gap filler when nothing else is doing. In my opinion. To each their own.