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I have a good friend of mine that was hospitalized last week for kidney and lower back pains. My friend had been abusing ecstasy regularly for years, but recently, in the last few months, almost everyday, up until the point he was hospitalized. I warned him about frequent ecstasy abuse, but you can't force anyone to do anything. Upon going to the hospital, blood tests showed a very high amount of calcium and protein. More tests were run, and he just got diagnosed with acute leukemia. He's only 30. He has no family history of cancer or leukemia, doesn't smoke cigarettes, only marijuana. He drinks alcohol occasionally, but he's not an alcoholic. He eats pretty healthy; he's not overweight. What caused this? Unknown. I want everyone on here to heed this as a warning of what could possibly happen with frequent abuse. I'm not saying that MDMA causes cancer or leukemia, but the subject has very little if any research on this kind of thing, due to it's illegal status. I personally love MDMA, so if there's any bias here it's definately in favor of it, but we must realize that there is unknown long term risks when taking, especially abusing, illegal drugs that have not been studied very well.
 
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MDMA has been used for nearly 50 years and has been pretty thoroughly researched (although more research would be very welcome, of course). Ecstasy/MDMA has been heavily used and abused by tens (probably hundreds) of thousands of people in the UK on a weekly basis since the late 80s with no long-term health issues as a result that I am aware of. I seriously doubt cancer would be caused by MDMA use. I am sorry to hear of your friends situation though and wish him all the best <3

PS: I'm not suggesting MDMA abuse is risk-free, of course. Abusing any drug can have serious issues.
 
Wow....while I was abusesing ecstasy my doctor thought I actually had lukemia because of my low white blood cells ,which where over taking my red blood cells, at the time I was 16 which was really rare for lukemia at that age but i revealed my drug usage and I with vitamins Im getting better, ecstasy does play a big role in fuckingup ur body
 
I got an update from my friend. His doctor explained that while he was using so much ecstasy his calcium levels boosted enough to begin mutating his bone marrow, and combined with a weakened immune system severe longterm lack of sleep which allowed the mutations to progress quickly(turn into stage 3 cancer). He would take about 6-15 pills/day, depending on situations each day, for about 6 months, occasionally skipping a day. His doctor basically told him that his ecstasy abuse indirectly caused his cancer by increasing his calcium levels over time.

Do not heavily abuse this wonderful magical drugs guys. Please!
 
Thanks for this severley.

I like the way you handled it, not making any silly claims, just providing a warning that maybe its possible.

As pointed out, there really isnt enough long term studies done and particularly in siotuations where its being abused as that seems to happen rarely.

Thanks again.
 
If you believe the media and frequent 'research reports', then simply stepping outside of your front door increases your chance of cancer.

I'm absolutely sure the doctor was correct in his conjecture, but the 'chances' of this happening I'd imagine are extremely slim. Akin to the chances of being struck by a bus; or even less I would have thought...
 
severely etarded said:
I got an update from my friend. His doctor explained that while he was using so much ecstasy his calcium levels boosted enough to begin mutating his bone marrow, and combined with a weakened immune system severe longterm lack of sleep which allowed the mutations to progress quickly(turn into stage 3 cancer). He would take about 6-15 pills/day, depending on situations each day, for about 6 months, occasionally skipping a day. His doctor basically told him that his ecstasy abuse indirectly caused his cancer by increasing his calcium levels over time.

Do not heavily abuse this wonderful magical drugs guys. Please!
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Holy shit, 6-15 pills a day? That's a ridiculously high amount of mdma to be taking. I assume taking any drug at this rate would cause some form of mutation to the body.
 
Holy shit, every day? Whatever for? MDMA quickly looses its ability to get you high anyway with that kind of abuse. Hed be better off with speed. I hope he will get better, and learn something from this!
 
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Holy shit, every day? Whatever for? MDMA quickly looses its ability to get you high anyway with that kind of abuse. Hed be better off with speed. I hope he will get better, and learn something from this!
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I know a few people who do MDMA every single day, yet they continue to get high like it's their first time. Oddly enough, they've been doing it for over 2 years, so it's not a tolerance issue. Some people can just get high off it all the time I guess. I could probably do MDMA everyday and get high since I only do it every three or so months, but I don't get how people can put up with the constant MDMA hangovers and low serotonin levels. I'd feel like a crackhead if I did MDMA that much.
 
I know a few people who do MDMA every single day, yet they continue to get high like it's their first time.
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Its odd that, because the serotonin would get used up pretty quickly, and it doesnt replenish itself very quickly. 1-2 weeks as i remember. But of course there are always variations. Normally you could expect just a speedy buzz if you abused it every day. And of course then you would be much wiser to use amph. If wise and daily substance abuse can be used in the same sentance...
 
Not disputing the OP's warning, but...

Most people don't seem to realize that one of the big, BIG causes of cancer today is all the poisons we put in virtually all our foods and bombard our bodies with every day, for practically our whole lives. This has been going on for the last, what forty years? Even more, depending on what you define as "poison".

On the other hand, my best friend has binged on X as you describe for months at a time, and suffered no ill long-term effects.

So stop abusing people, whether it's X or food! It's extremely hard not to these days; basically anything you don't grow yourself is tainted in some way. Sorry, didn't mean to derail, just pointing this out.
 
Moderation

LIke most of lifes vices e is best enjoyed in moderation. Overindulging in anything is inevitably going to cause problems. I can't believe your friend could physically and financially sustain that kind of abuse for so long. I only roll about once every 2 months and sometimes i'm tempted to do it more but it just takes a little self control.
 
Oh my, O_O 6-15pills a DAY, correct me if im wrong but, and first of all I'm very sorry for your friend and I hope and pray he gets better, so it wasnt the mdma that directly caused the cancer, but a combination of poor nutrition, neurotoxicity that weakened his immune system, and raised calcium levels caused by mdma? And just another question how does mdma raise calcium levels? I always thought they lowered them, causing lower bone density.
 
Interesting.

Although there's no way to truly be sure what caused his specific cancer, I do agree that chronic drug abuse (including MDMA) could definitely increase the risk of cancer (as well as a lot of other problems.) Any chronic strain on your system can reduce your body's ability to cope with problems, and your healthy immune system is the main line of defense against cancer. (That's why people with AIDS tend to get unusual cancers.)

how does mdma raise calcium levels?
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Calcium is used by nerves and muscles to send signals, so drugs (including MDMA) can alter calcium levels in the spaces around those cells. HOWEVER, I'm not aware of any research suggesting a systemic (through the whole body) increase in calcium levels from MDMA, as suggested by his doctor.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your friend. But...we can't really draw any conclusions from one case - lots of people take MDMA. Lots of people get leukemia. Logically, we would expect some of the people who take MDMA to also get leukemia. Unless we start seeing a lot of such cases, it seems more like a coincidence. I had a quick look on PubMed and only found a handful of articles that even mentioned MDMA and cancer, and none of them seemed to imply that MDMA could cause cancer....

That said, obviously taking that many pills is a bad idea, anyway...
 
I believe the carcinogenic effects of mdma derive from the fact it's made from safrol - Safrol was banned in the USA years ago (it was one of the main ingredients in 'real' rootbeer) - It was banned because of tests done on rodents - (not human beings) and they suggested it was carcinogenic. - As far as I can tell (from reading around) it has never been a proven fact that IS carcinogenic for humans.

I do wonder if the reason it was banned might be to do with some skullduggery between the soft drinks manufacturers at the time (the other two being pepsi and coke) - I wonder...
 
montel said:
I believe the carcinogenic effects of mdma derive from the fact it's made from safrol - Safrol was banned in the USA years ago (it was one of the main ingredients in 'real' rootbeer) - It was banned because of tests done on rodents - (not human beings) and they suggested it was carcinogenic. - As far as I can tell (from reading around) it has never been a proven fact that IS carcinogenic for humans.

I do wonder if the reason it was banned might be to do with some skullduggery between the soft drinks manufacturers at the time (the other two being pepsi and coke) - I wonder...
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Safrole is a rodent hepatocarcinogen, but they haven't done serious testing on it, for obvious reasons. It was found it might be harmful to humans (or it was conclusively found, read up on it a while ago). I don't think MDMA has proved to cause any physical ailments. Anyone remember if that guy that ate 30,000 rolls had physical trauma in addition to the irreversible mental trauma?
 
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