Tiesto opinions

Let's be honest here. Anyone who thinks Tiesto is great simply doesn't understand what good music is.

I used to like him, and then I started to invest time in listening to proper music (which I did not like at forst - I thought it was boring), and realised how blind I had been. If you are the type of person who likes instantly appealing tunes, then you are not educated in music enough to enjoy the good stuff. The sacrafice you pay is that these tunes get worse with each play.

For those of us who have really got into music, and appreciate the finer side of what it has to offer, we benefit from our tunes getting better and better :)

I would like to point out that there is nothing wrong with people liking Tiesto, it is just a fact of life that some people do not get so deeply involved with some things in life as others. These type of people probably are much more in touch with some other areas of life, and would consider my limited tastes in that field to be appalling.
 
yellodolphin said:
I enjoy trance music and lots of other people do, if you dont that is fine no one is telling you to like it.

the problem is that everyone is telling me to like it. unless you happen to live in one of two or three cities in my country, the chances of finding a dance club that plays anything other than trance are slim. that is my main gripe with trance, it's everywhere and shouldn't be, much like rnb, but we're trashing trance for the time being. trance's non-confrontational watered down style is approachable even by those who hate "that techno shit", something bogans, wiggas, and mariah carey sluts are often overheard saying elsewhere. it makes it hard for a promoter to put on, rather, risk any other type of night because the masses hear trance everywhere they go and thus, much like mtv "educates" and encourages the moronic masses to listen to shit, anything other than trance becomes frowned upon.

unlike many other genres and artists, i think there is still a place for trance. it's still far more credible than 90% of what is heard on the radio, it's just that it's not dance music, it's drug music, and to me it doesn't deserve the amount of play it receives in clubs.

oh, one more thing. be careful when playing the popular angle because "achy breaky heart" was a number one record.
 
I've been listening to Tiesto for the past four years. I really enjoy a lot of his mixes. I have not been listening to nearly as much trance/electronica at all recently, but the stuff that put him on the charts was good. I have seen him live though, and it's not the same as being at a rave with frankie bones or some DJ Irene shit. It's good live, but you have to be in the mood to really appreciate it. Eating pills can help too.
 
silvia saint said:
the problem is that everyone is telling me to like it.

this statement while true to your environment does not translate internationally. trance is not that popular in north america. it does not get played on the radio. most nightclubs in my city are either hip hop, rnb, or dnb/jungle. hip hop and rnb is the mainstream music now unfortunately. nobody i know even listens to trance. The only time i can hear trance in a club is when trance dj's come to town which isnt all the time. The only way it can be considered popular here is if you relate it to the EDM scene and even then it isnt the most popular in that genre. I found out about trance on my own because i am open to new music. and its not like i dont listen to anything else i like all music actually and am open to anything. i just happen to like to listen to trance sometimes when i am in a good mood or when i want to dance.
 
silvia saint said:
i'm sorry if it's case of "i've moved on and thus have better taste etc", but it's a fact... trance and the djs that play it are the best thing since sliced you know what, until the drug honeymoon is over and one becomes more acquainted with dance music. then, one soon realizes, unless they have no clue, no taste nor ability to compare, that a) mixing trance is so formulaic a monkey could do it, b) superstar trance djs are technically no more superior than your local trance dj, and c) trance really is the britney spears of dance music. instantly gratifying, monotonous cheese on toast, by the numbers, fucking shithouse.

^^^

you said it.

saying trance is good music is like saying BET/MTV rap is music, anyway you look at it, it no longer holds any value.



skjalff
 
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skyalf said:
^^^

you said it.

saying trance is good music is like saying BET/MTV rap is music, anyway you look at it, it no longer holds any value.



skjalff


..... =D
 
dj doboy in trance, infected mushrom and astral projection re also excellent in goa psy trance..i listen them on online internet radio.u can find all kinda music there! www.di.fm all druggers! u will absolutely love it;)
 
I like some of his track like:

Suburban train, Forbideen paradise, etc... not all his tracks are amazing...

I perfer to listen to astral projection when I am tripping, defently beats tiesto:)
 
To suggest that trance, as a genre, is categorically bad, demonstrates a general lack of exposure to begin with.

To suggest that this is somehow knowledge that comes only with "musical education" is not only ignorant, but snobbery as well.

The fact is that there is a lot of bad trance simply because bad trance still sells. I agree wholeheartedly that strict, formulaic paint by numbers trance is about as boring as music gets, but I also believe -- strike that -- know that there is such a thing as excellent trance music.

Most people who abhor trance as a genre do so because of the flatline nature and lack of musical dynamics of most commonly played trance. This results in a sonic phenomenon that is not only predictable, but overwhelmingly monotonous and annoying.

That being said, genuinely good trance music achieves something that most other genres of EDM cannot as effectively achieve, and that is, specifically, putting the listener into a trance.

While personal tastes vary widely, there are some trance tunes that were, and still are, examples of good dance music despite having 'dated' or even boring sound patches. Even people who dislike trance on the grounds that it is trance cannot make a case against such pieces like the better mixes of "Gamemaster" or PVD's excellent Vorsprung remix of "Binary Finary".

Granted, these two examples are examples of formulaic, predictable music...but then again, Pachebel's classical example of formulaic composition is still one of the most loved pieces of music on Earth.

I have had the pleasure of 'educating' my househead friends by exposing them to good trance for five years now. Don't get me wrong. I am an absolutely avid, drooling follower of twisted, funky tech house, e.g. Zabiela, Ty Tek, Harry Romero, etc...I believe great house music is as good as anything.

But to those who think that house or techno is better simply by virtue of the fact it isn't trance, well...

...it is you who needs educating.

I would strongly suggest digging a bit deeper into some of the current good trance producer's achievements before closing yourself off completely to the genre. The reason isn't to prove anything to you. Quite the contrary. The reason is because you are missing some very enjoyable musical experiences.

As a dedicated music producer, performer, DJ and dancer, I can tell you that there is nothing as fun as rediscovering that first appreciation of EDM, whatever it was, and finding that it never gets old. It's simply a matter of motivation and perserverance. Finding great trance seems to be more difficult than finding great house or techno.

And that is because composing great trance is actually more difficult than composing great house music, rather than less difficult, as some have suggested. Indeed, the paint by numbers commercial trance isn't really trance at all in my book. It is simply a facsimile that on the surface seems fine, but does not hold up to any scrutiny. It is noise with form, but devoid of content or purpose.

This is what has led so many of us to get frustrated with the genre...the fact that one can simply sequence arpeggios with the first patch and arrange simple pads and simple beats, or rather pulses, to accompany and then call it trance.

It's like Yngwie Malmsteen's garishly arrogant mistake of calling his music classical. It isn't.

I would reecommend to anyone who is looking for that really good trance, or even looking for an example of what great trance might actually sound like, to do some motivated searching among artists like Markhus Schultz, Noel Sanger, Memnon, etc. From there you will find a path to techno via some masters of crossover music like Sander van Doorn, or even DJ Preach...depending on where you want your mix to wind up.

For more melodic, 'supersaw' type trance there is still Solarcoaster, John O'Callahan, even Paul van Dyk and yes, Tiesto.

While no artist puts out only excellent, high quality trance, these are examples of trance producers who have some great pieces under their belt. That's not even getting into some of the incredible psy-trance that is coming out now.

Truly, to those who genuinely believe that you are now too educated or musically refined to enjoy trance...may I suggest that you find the maturity (and in some cases, some much needed humility) to rethink your position and examine the issue with a fresh ear and mindset...

...you might find you actually enjoy it.
 
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^ Tip top post, bro.

Didn't Oakenfold remix 'Gamemaster' in 'Tranceport'? Seems to me that he did, and i believe it was a rather awesome remix!
 
Tiesto - If I saw him playing a Eurovision song contest i wouldnt be surprised at all, nuff said.

Do yourself a favour and check out some psytrance.
 
Drosera said:
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he says here "waar kompt die kutmuziek toch vandaan " = "where does that stupid music come from" :D
 
tiesto is good, teisto tracks accompanies me specially when am rolling.
 
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Tiesto is one of the many reasons people hear the word "Trance" and cower in fear.
 
ttmen said:
hi people.i wanna know who likes or doesnt like Dj tiesto as a Dj.

How have I missed this thread for so long...?

Tiesto's set stuctures are dire and hs mixing is abysmal. He's a shite DJ and a crap "producer". Sorry.


dr seuss said:
really?

i know people produce with others - like sasha & charlie may - but have never heard of such outright thievery.

Apparently, Ronald van Gelderen (aka Kid Vicious) did a lot of Tiesto's older production work.
 
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