In reasonable and small doses it can be "subtle" (<1.5g), but it can be quite the potent drug and has delusional sobriety situations for sure. I have blacked out for many hours and driven my car not remembering anything on phenibut. I've fallen asleep in inappropriate places. I have overdosed on phenibut a few times which can be scary, I was conscious and able to talk but could not communicate or remember basic things, where I was or what day it was. High doses of phenibut taken a few days in a row begins to put me into psychosis, I will start having visual hallucinations. Taking high doses (2g+) of phenibut has concerning and negative side effects like brain zaps, dizziness, all sorts of things. It also has a very long duration (24-30hr +) so if you overdose you're going to be in a bad way for a very long time.
I am not overly familiar with tianeptine pharmacology, but I would be very careful doing this. I'm unsure on this one.
Tianeptine has a furiously strong blocking power for other opioids. I am currently on both sodium and sulfate and I feel no effects from any other opioid. Others have reported this effect can last days after last usage. Honestly, this substance snuck up on me so fast. Tolerance builds rapidly, effects diminish quick, and the withdrawal syndrome is no joke. Worse than H for me. Phenibut is just as sneaky and tolerance builds insanely quick. Also a hellish WD syndrome.
It works pretty well with kratom, both extract and powder. I recommend taking the kratom about an hour or 30 minutes before or thirty minutes after you start to feel effects from the tianeptine.
They are sulfate. The onset of effects with zaza says it all. Tia sodium hits in like 15 minutes while sulfate can take an hour but also lasts alot longer. Tia is my DOC and besides the Free Acid form I am very familiar with it. Zaza is def sulfate. Another way to tell is by tasting the powder in the capsule. If it was sodium it would taste like battery acid but it does not.
Interesting! However, they changed the formula (I think) after the court deal. I mean obviously I'm speculating but the battery acid taste isnt there and it def has a longer onset of action, for me anyway. One thing I would argue is that sodium is NOT cheaper than sulfate. They are the same. Some vendors just charge more for sodium as it is in higher demand.
They're supposed to have either 50 or 75 mg per capsule if they're the ZaZa red.
Yes I agree 120% on what you are saying. They have to had changed their formula, although I’m old school when I do the tia sodium I will literally eat it off the palm of my hand. Now the old formula would burn sometimes your throat like you literally just swallowed battery acid and then smoke a menthol cigarette…….ahhhh bliss.