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Opioids Tianeptine, is it any good?

Maybe the sulphate. The sodium fades away way too quickly.
7-oh-mitragynine is an enjoyable and plenty strong opioid (partial agonist) which I'm thinking would be a good pain pill. It's a bit pricey if you buy the pills and you would still get that jacked up Kratom tolerance. It does have better legs than Tianeptine.
I have a bad back and need pain pills on occasion. If you can get it prescribed, I think Tramadol is the best for moderate pain. You get an SNRI effect which does relieve pain some (and you can be productive for a bit), then that fades to a long lasting opioid effect.
We have some tramadol saved. My wife will not touch kratom. From 2005-2012 she had a jar she scooped spoons from all day long. 50 grs a day? She kicked CT and never wanted to look at it again. Never. But she has pain issues from a million surgeries. So we need a back up. But she won't touch kratom in any form. Pods yes. (Maybe I don't have to tell her 7-HO is from kratom? I have to think of the ethics and truth in marriage. lol hmmmm)

The corner store here in NJ where I am temporarily staying had neon lights that said KRATOM and he had all the goodies a shady corner store has. All kinds of THCA buds and 7-HO pills. Mushroom chocolates. Well he said he is taking down the kratom sign, gets too many complaints that the 7-HO works good and then doesn't (tolerance?) and says he sells way more of the THC-blah blah bud. But I bet 7-HO is great for a person that never really did kratom and needs a little safe relief. I love the idea of 7-HO. If I were not trying to stop plain powder I'd try it. I just wish a person had to work a little harder to get it instead of the corner quickie stop. More respect. I will ask a few questions on that thread.

So tianeptine is not a great choice for pain. I guess the only good use is the people that take the tiny amounts. Not sure. I suspect this is the opiate effect that relieves depression like they all do for me. Yeah I never really saw anyone post they used tianeptine for pain.
 
We have some tramadol saved. My wife will not touch kratom. From 2005-2012 she had a jar she scooped spoons from all day long. 50 grs a day? She kicked CT and never wanted to look at it again. Never. But she has pain issues from a million surgeries. So we need a back up. But she won't touch kratom in any form. Pods yes. (Maybe I don't have to tell her 7-HO is from kratom? I have to think of the ethics and truth in marriage. lol hmmmm)

The corner store here in NJ where I am temporarily staying had neon lights that said KRATOM and he had all the goodies a shady corner store has. All kinds of THCA buds and 7-HO pills. Mushroom chocolates. Well he said he is taking down the kratom sign, gets too many complaints that the 7-HO works good and then doesn't (tolerance?) and says he sells way more of the THC-blah blah bud. But I bet 7-HO is great for a person that never really did kratom and needs a little safe relief. I love the idea of 7-HO. If I were not trying to stop plain powder I'd try it. I just wish a person had to work a little harder to get it instead of the corner quickie stop. More respect. I will ask a few questions on that thread.

So tianeptine is not a great choice for pain. I guess the only good use is the people that take the tiny amounts. Not sure. I suspect this is the opiate effect that relieves depression like they all do for me. Yeah I never really saw anyone post they used tianeptine for pain.
If your wife has a past Kratom addiction, then I'm thinking that it's quite possible that the 7-oh might cause kindling. From what I've read, it can already have a steep curve of tolerance. Was it @negrogesic in the thread who bought the powder and was doing large doses in a few days?

I'm not a great person to answer questions on opioids. I have a pretty strict policy of only once a week tops and that includes Kratom. As I get older, I might get more lax on that, but so far so good.

I don't know where to get pods, but poppy seeds work well for me. I bought about 5 pounds from a company advertising unwashed seeds a few years ago. 4-5 heaping tablespoons washed 1/2 hour after a Hydroxyzine topped with 1/2 a Hydrocodone is my go to for back pain at the mo'. The other 1/2 Hydro a couple hours later. A Lyrica and a Gabapentin a few hours after that. Actually looking for a long, low level effect there, Cyclobenzaprine at bedtime. I've been called the synergy king by buds.
 
I forgot to mention that sulphate Is acting 4-5 hours longer than sodium. 7hrs of painkiller activity Is definitely better than 2-3 hours like in case of sodium version. I had lots of tianeptine sodium prescribed ( they don't use it anymore for depression since they discovered it Is low potency but pleasurable opioid with additional function of raising dopamine ( noticable increase ). I always think about tianeptine sodium as something like even shorter acting codeine without need for your liver to metabolize it into something, just advantage of not being prodrug but in my case it doesn't matter because my CYP2D6 liver enzyme is doing its job better than Is normal. When i take 200mg IR tramadol, 25 % Is rapidly converted into ODSM-T ( desmethyl tramadol has simmilar mor affinity as oxycodone and half-life twice as long + additional analgesia produced by monoamine release and reuptake inhibition, some NMDA antagonism. This means, for some people is 200mg tramadol like a mix of 50mg longer acting oxycodone with NRi activity which greatly improve analgesia and as a bonus potentiation by weak opioid but very fast acting SNRI, tramadol. Also other metabolites but the main psychoactive, analgesia inducing and instant antidepressant effects ( 1 hour instead of days to weeks unlike other SNRIs which need even 2 months for producing desired effects). This monoamine effects of tramadol always reminds me responsible dose of amphetamines - instant mood improvement, very good for pain that doesn't respond to typical opioids, acetaminophen or nsaids. And duration sometimes up to 9 hours Is another advantage of IR tramadol compared to other casual IR opiods because they ( most of them ) have half-life of 3 to 5 hours without ability to prolong it after chronic administration and this Is next unusual but great advantage of tramadol. Monoaminergic opioid which prolong Its duration after using more than just one dose Is not that common. Sometimes after few days of using tramadol, IR version produce analgesia, mood improvement, insomnia and eliminating of pain for even 12 hours.
Great medication if u are very fast CYP2D6 metabolizer who doesn't take big doses of SSRIs, SNRIs ( always avoid antidepressants that inhibit your CYP2D6 liver enzyme.
Be careful, don't get completely addicted to it because high amount produce nasty seizures, Muscle tremor, serotonine syndrome.
It's possible to take even 1500mg daily but with enough benzodiazepines and idealy with leveteracetam ( anticonvulsant ). This very high doses are better for my pain than any other opioid, much better analgesia than 200mg oxycodone but without anticonvulsant and benzos u can't take so big dose because u will vomit or experience very nasty seizure or other many times fatal health problems ( stroke, something like general body collaps - it will turn u off and wake up after 20-40 minutes if u are lucky and survive.
Start with 100mg as a single dose and if u will be ok after using 300-400mg in 24 hrs, maybe try dose of 200mg. Its effects are noticable much faster and u will probably feel some kind of opioid/stimulating antidepressant effects, like big increase in motivation, energy, music sounding better, increase in talking and probably desire for some kind of physical activity because of increased energy and very noticable decrease in all types of pain. No wonder it's favorite painkiller for profesional athletes, cyclists and swimmers or for people with ambition to run fast, don't feel fatigue....great for marathon runners.

And it's medication with best score in category of antidepressants, better than any other medication used or just tried to use as a treatment for depression.
Funny, not even one medication used to treat depression reached better score and better user recensions than medication used for pain or sometimes even for premature ejaculation.
I agree that Tramadol gives an instant antidepressant effect. It's shocking how well that works for me ( I use very seldomly, only 50 mg, and don't have any opiate tolerance to any of them). I like that quality a lot when I'm feeling it. But as soon as it wears off, I swing back to a much worse depression. I am noticeably more depressed than when I come down from other opiates. For me, it makes me want to avoid Tramadol for the most part. Ymmv
 
I've tried doses of up to 500mg of Tianeptine Sulfate & felt absolutely nothing other than a slight shift in my consciousness (hard to explain, it's like that feeling when the world around you sort of dims & you can tell you've taken some kind of drug, but can't really put your finger on what it's doing to you).

No euphoria, no stimulation, maybe a slight mood-lift, no itching, no nodding, nothing. And I bought it from a reputable nootropics vendor like back in 2018.
Wasted 70 bucks on that garbage.

Never tried the sodium.
 
I want to try every drug once to get my opinion on it. I only bought a g so not really enough to mess myself up with, got some phenibut too, I don't normally dabble in legal highs but I got curious. Also psychs and mdma aren't really good for my psyche I've noticed I go off the rails mentally a bit when I use them too much, good to take a break with something else

From some of your other posts, you've used way too many mgs and not taking responsible time in between. I've done short term ecstacy abuse in earlier years and was not fun, messed up cognitive function, I felt, along with making bad decisions but glad learned lessons

I'm not here to rain on your parade. You are on your own journey. If you want to get mad at me bc I'm wanting you to do things more logical and responsible, okay

This is a long term thing, better to wait and do empathogens 2-3 xs a year, same with psychedelic s, at normal doses, for you, dissociative can be used more than these former class of drugs. Cannabis as well. That said still important to take breaks, use them as needed

Last year was first time got into dissociatives. Psychedelic s started almost ten years ago, didn't do them every year, but 2-3 xs some years. Of course as get familiar, upping the dose or mixing but not as a beginner. Took kratom yesterday 3.5 grams, split up twice and that was felt good. Kratom for you needs a break
 
Holy fuck.. I just took like a heaping teaspoon of it, thought itd be a good amoouint, my eyes are shakin g super hard and I feel weirdly stimulated and dizzy like everything is spinning back and forth, I think I took way too much, breathing feels really hardl ike i have to inhale manually, the euphoria is super powerful im like dipping in and out of consciousnsess. Very very strong annd nice feeling but I think I overdid it. This stuff is no joke
 
I feel really hot too and a strange buzzing fee ling in my head. When I close myeyes I see complex hallucinations and plots. Very strong opioid, easily the strongest I've taken. It's very hard to describe what it feels like, it's a very clean and heavy feelings, like my head is a rock... be careful when using this stuff
 
I feel really hot too and a strange buzzing fee ling in my head. When I close myeyes I see complex hallucinations and plots. Very strong opioid, easily the strongest I've taken. It's very hard to describe what it feels like, it's a very clean and heavy feelings, like my head is a rock... be careful when using this stuff
Tianeptine and Phenibut are both serious drugs sold as supplements, please weigh your dose next time just for your own safety. How are you holding up now?
 
Holy fuck.. I just took like a heaping teaspoon of it, thought itd be a good amoouint, my eyes are shakin g super hard and I feel weirdly stimulated and dizzy like everything is spinning back and forth, I think I took way too much, breathing feels really hardl ike i have to inhale manually, the euphoria is super powerful im like dipping in and out of consciousnsess. Very very strong annd nice feeling but I think I overdid it. This stuff is no joke

Why would you take a heaping teaspoon of it? People like you are the reason these things get banned.

What made you think a heaping teaspoon would be a "good amount"?
 
Idk, felt pretty good, I'd probably do it again. Why do you judge people for things they do to themselves?
That's ignorant not knowing your dosing . You rolled three days ago, and empathogens and psychedelic s aren't good for your psyche, in your own words

. Sorry, you are extremely irresponsible and give legal supplements and or drugs like phenibut a bad name bc you simply are too lazy to research, have patience, look up the dose, then write how your heads spinning ,in and out of consciousness and how you would probably do it again?

You need to be banned. We don't need irresponsible people on this forum . Your crackhead behavior indicates you are going going to make bad decisions, then you ask people who speak up, why do you judge me? It's bc we care and don't want to see you go down a very sucky life based on ignorance on your part and crackhead drug abuse behavior. I'm sorry, people like yourself don't belong using this stuff . I justed prayed for you . Having said that, I don't want to see any of your posts anymore. I know with God you can do much, much better. Love you in spirit , and as a human it is ridiculous. Better yet, why don't we have a pay only members ?
 
That's ignorant not knowing your dosing . You rolled three days ago, and empathogens and psychedelic s aren't good for your psyche, in your own words

. Sorry, you are extremely irresponsible and give legal supplements and or drugs like phenibut a bad name bc you simply are too lazy to research, have patience, look up the dose, then write how your heads spinning ,in and out of consciousness and how you would probably do it again?

You need to be banned. We don't need irresponsible people on this forum . Your crackhead behavior indicates you are going going to make bad decisions, then you ask people who speak up, why do you judge me? It's bc we care and don't want to see you go down a very sucky life based on ignorance on your part and crackhead drug abuse behavior. I'm sorry, people like yourself don't belong using this stuff . I justed prayed for you . Having said that, I don't want to see any of your posts anymore. I know with God you can do much, much better. Love you in spirit , and as a human it is ridiculous. Better yet, why don't we have a pay only members ?
Wow, very judgemental people on this forum. I just want to take drugs and enjoy them and share my experiences with others. It seems gatekeeping drugs is the norm around here. I never once wished anything negative upon anyone here, but others only have vitriol to spit back to me. When you see someone doing something wrong to themselves, you don't bully them and ban them, you learn from their actions. I wish you all the best. I know what I'm doing is wrong but I have no desire to change it, and I have never once encouraged others to follow my path as you can see in many of my posts.
 
Holy fuck.. I just took like a heaping teaspoon of it, thought itd be a good amoouint, my eyes are shakin g super hard and I feel weirdly stimulated and dizzy like everything is spinning back and forth, I think I took way too much, breathing feels really hardl ike i have to inhale manually, the euphoria is super powerful im like dipping in and out of consciousnsess. Very very strong annd nice feeling but I think I overdid it. This stuff is no joke
This post here I felt worried for you when I read it. I can’t really speak for others but maybe others felt the same way? Anyways, I know you said you don’t want to stop doing what you’re doing … just be careful okay? I’m not saying that in any judgmental way whatsoever. I know I haven’t really (just happened) to talk to you much but still would never want to see anything bad happen to you amigo, you know what I mean.

Just remember to try to be a bit more careful is all I’ll ask of you okay, it’s better to go slow and take less than take too much. I’m not saying I’m an Angel (even though that’s my name lol) but for real … want to keep seeing you around and okay …. Okay 💜
 
I agree with Angel. I hope for your own sake you can learn to moderate your dosing. It's possible to be more careful and still have fun. I learned the hard way myself about not measuring when I took a spoonful out of a jar of morphine. It wasn't good or fun. We just don't want to see people dying or suffering. But in the end , it's your choice what you do, I'm fine with that.
 
You need to be banned. We don't need irresponsible people on this forum .

We don't ban people over stuff like that. The hope is that he'll listen to people's advice and take that into account.

But we also don't want people promoting this kind of reckless usage. At some point I'll probably edit this thread and remove all mentions of the word "teaspoon" just in case someone reads that and tries to follow suit.
 
Wow, very judgemental people on this forum. I just want to take drugs and enjoy them and share my experiences with others. It seems gatekeeping drugs is the norm around here. I never once wished anything negative upon anyone here, but others only have vitriol to spit back to me. When you see someone doing something wrong to themselves, you don't bully them and ban them, you learn from their actions. I wish you all the best. I know what I'm doing is wrong but I have no desire to change it, and I have never once encouraged others to follow my path as you can see in many of my posts.

I didn't judge you, I just asked what made you think a teaspoon was a good dose.

A heaping teason of tianeptine sodium would weigh 5 grams +. That is a giant dose of tianeptine.

Fortunately your tianeptine must be low quality/cut, because 5 grams of decent tianeptine would have someone projectile vomiting for hours, while slipping in and out of consciousnsess.

We advocate for cautious use of drugs, and coming onto a public space and saying "i had a heaping teaspoon of tianeptine and it was great" is a dangerous thing. Someone with a strong batch might read that and try it themselves and windup dead or in the ICU.

In a bit I'm going to remove the doses.
 
This post here I felt worried for you when I read it. I can’t really speak for others but maybe others felt the same way? Anyways, I know you said you don’t want to stop doing what you’re doing … just be careful okay? I’m not saying that in any judgmental way whatsoever. I know I haven’t really (just happened) to talk to you much but still would never want to see anything bad happen to you amigo, you know what I mean.

Just remember to try to be a bit more careful is all I’ll ask of you okay, it’s better to go slow and take less than take too much. I’m not saying I’m an Angel (even though that’s my name lol) but for real … want to keep seeing you around and okay …. Okay 💜
I definitely agree with you when you say that you found it rather concerning to read his original post, measuring drugs by the "spoonful" is goofy as hell. Buy a scale. If you're so used to something you can eyeball it, that's fine, I can eyeball cannabis in a bowl, hell there have been points in my life where I can eyeball ketamine relative to my own tolerance, but that's just between myself and ketamine, a subjective relationship. Eyeballs are are not scales, and they're bad at trying to act as such in my personal experiences. About 6 weeks ago my scale broke, and I was dead set on consuming an assblasting amount of allylescaline, 2C-B, LSD, and DOM that I had thankfully precapped to 5mg per cap. I poured the allylescaline in a large container of liquid, knowing I had somewhere between 300-500mg total. Took about a third of that liquid. I poured the 2C-B powder into a large container of liquid, and once homogenized I knew I had put ~500mg of 2C-B in there all together, so I took maybe 1/20th of the total liquid's contents. I added a few other things like THC, tianeptine, dropped some liquid acid in my eyes and dove into one of the most intense trips of my life. It was one of the most transformative things I've ever experienced, and it was done with reckless abandon of dosing, but could've been a well recorded tale of XXX.XXmg Allylescaline + XX.XXmg 2C-B + Whatever else, if I had taken better notes. I was confident that the material I was working with was in a similar dose range to what I'd been using weeks past, and I was repeating as such.

Doing stupid shit like this leaves you in situations like I was in, where a friend opened my fridge one day and saw an IBC cream soda with "LSD" scrawled on the lid, yet did not notice and had a wild day as a result. There is currently a 2 liter bottle of Starry containing enough etizolam to black out probably 350+ people right now, less than 5 feet away from me. It's known not to touch shit that's hidden around my desk, it's hidden around there for a reason. I have conditioned those in my life to know that if a drink is near me, don't touch it. My fiancee recently consumed something along the lines of 2-3.5 full grams of THC-O acetate orally without realizing it, because I'd forgotten to add lecithin to the gatorade (lecithin helps to emulsify the oiliness of the THC-O in the aqueous solution of gatorade) I intended to use as a cannabinoid taper over the next month. He knew it was dosed, I warned him. He figured it'd be a normal edible. It was not. Incidents like this can cause serious problems and it's important to do your best to avoid them wherever possible.
People like you are the reason these things get banned.
I understand people like negrogesic in cases like this, and I've been the type of person that he's talking about here obviously. What is important is that we treat our relationships to these substances as an exploration of the use of the exogenous to alter the endogenous and that we do our best to take notes in ways that can be replicated, where confounding factors are mentioned, where set and setting is described as adequately as possible, and where we all try to gain a better undrstanding of what we can do for ourselves with these things by sharing our subjective experiences with them in as useful of a manner as possible.

I used to be an absolutely meticulous, "weigh each bag that comes in, weigh the contents, calibrate the scale, weigh it again" type of person, until one day my fiancee (at the time boyfriend) blacked out on flualp and fucking annihilated a ton of things that were measured, and are now straight up mysteries. I now have no idea how many milligrams of miprocin are in the ~120 caps I precapped. Nor do I know how much etizolam is in this amber vial I've been tipping small swigs out of into 2 liters, but god, it sure is heady. It's important that when things like this exist, they're treated more like magical items in a Dungeons & Dragons campaigns, where they are kept stored away in dark corners and crevices, barely touched, labeled with an esoteric charm yet with clarity in the information known of the substance. There exist vape cartridges in the state of Maine that I've made that contain fucked up things like 25% THC-H, or 15% THC-P-O Acetate, and they used to be labeled as such, but last I saw the THC-H/THC-PO cart it was just labeled "The Yerkster" by this dumbass hippie I used to live with who kept it as a sort of magic wand, a dab pen where he would say "a single hit would send you to another realm".

I fear that perhaps the real solution is simply to keep everything low dosed and weak, and just work with it from there, as people seem oddly prone to making dosing mistakes, how can we try to shape a drug culture that works around that in the best way possible? Volumetric liquid dosing only goes so far when a reddit thread of a 15 year old cracking 20 old vape carts he heated with a Harbor Freight heat gun, onto a spoonful of peanut butter, saying "See you guys on the flip side", is what we're working with in some cases.
 
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