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da_sense

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Thumbs up for St. John Wort - (not really)

First of all Happy New Year! :)

Second, I have finally concluded that St. John Wort is the best thing to take when heading home from a party (at least for me). I take ecstasy once every 4-5 months and when i do i take only 1-2 pills around 11pm so I can dance it out till I go home around 5-6am. But still when I get back home I have problems sleeping, I feel so tired and want to sleep but my mind simply won't sleep till the next night, which is pretty bad since i feel like zombie. I have tried melatonin but it didn't help. But few times I have taken SJW as soon as I get back home, and in 1-2 hours I would fall asleep and wake after 4-5 hours pretty normal and refreshed. It still isn't the normal sleep I usually have, but compared to no sleep at all without SJW, it's great.
I have tried taking SJW regulary each day, but found I'm sleepy all day and no matter how much I sleep I still feel sleepy. Maybe it doesn't have this sedative effect on others so it won't help them with sleep after taking ecstasy, but i think it's worth a try.

Ps
I take 3-4 300mg SJW capsules as soon as I get home, sometimes i feel weird in my stomach so i also take 1-2 antacids.

stay happy and safe :)
 
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Sounds great!
However, anyone taking birth control pills should aviod St. John's Wort because it can reduce the effectivness of the pills.
 
Be careful doing that. SJW may have MAOI properties and so should not be combined with ecstasy.

It's fairly ineffectual anyway. Try taking some 5-HTP, and you should be able to sleep fine
 
One more thing I forgot to say, altough melatonin itself didn't work for me, I always took 2 mg together with SJW so it could also have some added effects since i never tried SJW alone yet.

As for SJW I actually took it since I read that many use it after rolling to protect their brain. I didn't really read much about it since I had it and I tought it couldn't hurt, but for me it's really helpfull for sleep. I always take 100 mg 5-HTP after (together with melatonin) but without SJW no good sleep.

Today after new years eve, i had about total of 4 hours of sleep and I feel good as having 8h of it.
 
Combining 5-HTP, SJW and MDMA is potentially risky. You might like to go read up about serotonin syndrome, which is a possible result of combining multiple serotonergic drugs... it's not pleasant.
 
Yeah, SJW and MDMA ain't fun. I had to find out the hard way:(
 
Hm strange, I used SJW because I read that using prozac (which I can't get) or SJW after rolling could additionaly protect your brain.

don't know if it makes any difference, but i took SJW about 10 hours after taking MDMA, also i only take 1-2 pills spaced max 1 hour apart, plus tons of vit c and other antioxidants, and i roll not more than once every 4-5 months

Anyway I guess I'll have to get back and read more on SJW+MDMA topic :) thanks for advice
 
da_sense said:
I read that using prozac (which I can't get)
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do you use prozac recreationally? omg that shits terrible even to use prescribed.


it may have also been MDA which makes me so i cant sleep for at least 4 hours after i am completely done rolling even after I've taken 200mg 5-HTP.
 
Invalid Usename: can't really remember where (maybe http://www.ecstasy.org/qanda/q46.html ) , i write it in my notebook and forget where did i read about it, but i know that many recommend prozac after rolling, and i did read somewhere that if you don't have prozac you could use SJW since both are antidepressants

anyway i've done some reading about serotonin syndrome, and guess i'll stick to melatonin after rolling :)


chemicalwasteland: no access to prozac at all, maybe i could get some similar stuff, but really not into it at all
well i really have sleep problems after coming back from club, even when not taking e, but e definetly seems to make it worse, that's why last pill i take is at midnight
 
Yes, there are lots of places that reccomend prozac after rolling, but around here, you won't find that reccomendation too often. The idea is based on mis-interpretation of an experiment. Although prozac (and other SSRIs) do protect against MDMA-induced neurotoxicity in animal models, even when given after the MDMA dose, this still doesn't mean you should do it.

For one, there is limited evidence that humans even get neurotoxicity as defined by animal models.
Two, when the SSRI was given 6 hours after MDMA, the protection was only JUST statistically detectable, the big protection was only noted if the SSRI was given in the couple of hours after the MDMA.
Three, it's generally not a good idea to go eating pharmaceutical drugs if you don't need to.


Finally, although SJW is only a very weak MAO inhibitor, it's still not a good idea to mix it, because some people have bad reactions.
 
thanks for clarification, many brains saved now since i was about to give some of SJW pills to my friends since i have many of it....but not now :)
 
SJW is ok to take AFTER you roll... Just dont take buttloads of it before... That was my unterstanding at least.
 
It seems like a reasonable assertion. Seeing as during the roll you have a massive excess of monoamines (e.g. serotonin, dopamine and noradrenaline), and hence taking an MAOI could be fatal, while after your roll (T+12 hours) monoamine levels are relatively normal.

P.S. I'm awear that it's unlikely that normal doses of SJW probably aren't MAO-inhibiting. But you still don't want to risk it

P.P.S. Women on the pill should be awear that SJW can cause a normal dose of the contraceptive pill to become ineffective, and there are several pregnancies attributed to this effect.
 
if you're looking for a natural and readily available way to get to sleep after pills, why not try varalian? it's sold as a natural sleep-aid, works a lot like magnesium, helps your body relax...
 
Yeah, SJW and MDMA ain't fun. I had to find out the hard way.
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Same here. Taking some SJW when you are fully down from the MDMA probably won't hurt, though. I personally find it ineffective however.

I have taken both prozac as prescribed and post MDMA; I find it helpful -- and will do everything to reduce any potential neurotoxicity. Certainly the potential pros outweigh any cons.
 
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