Thoughts on PCT?

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perthboy

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I was planning on a dbol/test e cycle and running hcg on cycle. my pct was gonna use clomid/nolva/aromasin, however seeing some of the side effects from the pct drugs, i was wondering what other options there are?

I know of toremifene which is used, and other more "natural" test boosters/estrogen blockers like d aspartic acid and Resveratrol.

Has anyone got any experience in alternative pct? And is using c/n/a overkill? I see some people use clomid or nolva, not both
 
Use the hcg until you start PCT, so that would be two weeks after your last test e shot. I would take torem 120/90/60/60. If you want to stick with clomid and nolva, I would drop the aromasin.
 
Fuck the HCG, you don't need it unless your testes shrinking on cycle makes you feel uneasy. You testicle size returns after the cycle and HCG can cause Leydig cell sensitivity to decrease over time.

Use Anastrozole at a low dose on cycle to control bloat and prevent gyno. Use Clomid and Nolvadex as PCT. I have an entire thread dedicated to starter cycle with all the details you need.
 
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>Use Anastrozole at a low dose on cycle to control bloat and prevent gyno. Use Clomid and Nolvadex as PCT. I have an entire thread dedicated to starter cycle with all the details you need.
Yeah, basically this. Simple and cheap pct protocol that works for and is used by most people. There are others, but for most people running normal cycles this is going to be just fine.
 
PCT is the biggest scam ever made. STAY ON IF YOU WANT TO GO ANYWHERE WITH YOU PHYSIQUE. after your "cycle" go down to 200mg per week "cruise" of test only. this is still above average what the normal male testes produce so you will feel good, better than usual and keep your gains.
 
Cenzi8 said:
PCT is the biggest scam ever made. STAY ON IF YOU WANT TO GO ANYWHERE WITH YOU PHYSIQUE. after your "cycle" go down to 200mg per week "cruise" of test only. this is still above average what the normal male testes produce so you will feel good, better than usual and keep your gains.
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Stupidest motherfucking advice I've ever see on this sub-forum. Yeah op, you can blast and cruise if you want... If you want to be on testosterone replacement therapy for the rest of your life...
Blasting and cruising is best left for pros, those who are on HRT or retards.

Pct is needed to restart your testosterone production and also to stop estrogen related side effects post cycle.
 
nolys said:
Stupidest motherfucking advice I've ever see on this sub-forum. Yeah op, you can blast and cruise if you want... If you want to be on testosterone replacement therapy for the rest of your life...
Blasting and cruising is best left for pros, those who are on HRT or retards.

Pct is needed to restart your testosterone production and also to stop estrogen related side effects post cycle.
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oh how uniformed you are,, please talk to Guido, he will be glad to tell you if you want to stay ABOVE your natural limit you will blast and cruise. if you want to be average cycle on and off.
 
Cenzi8 said:
PCT is the biggest scam ever made. STAY ON IF YOU WANT TO GO ANYWHERE WITH YOU PHYSIQUE. after your "cycle" go down to 200mg per week "cruise" of test only. this is still above average what the normal male testes produce so you will feel good, better than usual and keep your gains.
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If you want to be a pro bodybuilder you need to blast and cruise but a majority of people have no interest in staying on forever or lack the finances. If you need or want to come off, PCT is the way to go. But if you want to become a bodybuilder or fitness model you need to blast and cruise.

PCT is for people looking to improve there physique a bit by jumping on gear a few times a year. Blasting and cruising is for people who live and breathe bodybuilding. I blast and cruise because I'm financial stable, sober, I live and breathe bodybuilding, and I have a reliable and trustworthy UGL that I do business with. Shit, I have had 500mg of Test in my bloodstream for over a year and a half now. I'm not to open about discussing blasting and cruising here because there are too many young guys who runa cycle and make shit gains and conclude they need to blast and cruise to get anywhere when it's there diet, training, drug use, and lack of foundation that is inhibiting their progress. I opted to blast and cruise mainly because 7 years of opiate abuse fucked my testosterone levels. If I ever run into a jam where I can't get gear, I can always get Testosterone from the doctor to tide me over.

There is a point though where you eventually have to blast and cruise if you wish to maintain your gains, otherwise the will vanish slowly over time. I'm talking super high body weight with ridiculously low body fat.
 
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Cenzi8 said:
oh how uniformed you are,, please talk to Guido, he will be glad to tell you if you want to stay ABOVE your natural limit you will blast and cruise. if you want to be average cycle on and off.
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Blasting + cruising is NOT for the average person. People cannot afford to stay on for their entire life, nor is it healthy to shut down your bodys natural production.
What if you want to have children at some point? Good luck to you because testosterone replacement can be used as a contraceptive.
I understand why people who's lives are solely based around their gym would blast and cruise, but for the average juice user, its a definate no go. Once your training years are over and you start to get old, you will be on trt for good, there won't be any turning back after fucking with your natural production for 10+ years.
 
Indeed. Blasting and cruising is not for the average person. It's not for the guy looking to have a family or the young guy trying to get "shredded" for rave where he will take copious amounts of drugs.
 
Basically what the others have said. Depends on your goals. If you want a shot at becoming a pro bb/pl/ol/strongman you need to blast and cruise. Just want to look better than the average guy on the beach? No way bro, not worth it.

Also if you decide to do it be sure to get regular check ups with your doctor because there are potential dangers associated with it (problems with cholesterol, liver (if you love orals), too high rbc, high bp, possible infertility (you may be able to conceive a child but your chances are reduced), ...). Really not a decision to be taken lightly. And if you ever change your mind (or are forced to by becoming poor or something) it's likely it'll take you a long time if ever to recover normal testicular function.
 
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