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This is where the Los Angeles Rave Scene is going.

It's crazy, because a close friend of mind was a EDC full VIP access and never saw anything...no one od'ing, never heard about it. He took like 300 pictures for us since we couldn't go. I do agree, trying to get rid of all E at raves is like trying to teach abstinence as the only form of birth control. People are still going to do it, they need to be educated on how to do it safely.
 
i feel sorry for you poor americans not having a real scene like the UK/Europe .. London Berlin Glasgow Leeds are the places to be!!
 
Man I'd love to go over to the UK or Germany and check out the scene. It'd be a trip to hear everyone talking in those cool accents.
 
socalthizzn said:
The girl from edc and the guy from love fest were id bet less than 150 lbs, much less, someone 130-150 lbs ahould not be double dropping, if i cant handle it with my tolerance at 145 lbs n00bs def cant. Peolple arnt superman, we need to relax as a scene.
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Wait, someone died at Love Fest last weekend?? Why weren't any deaths reported in the media? The articles I've read stated that there were only 16 reported "minor injuries".

You'd think that after EDC, any more deaths at these things would be publicized like crazy to get them shut down for good. Not saying I don't necessarily believe you, but are you sure the guy died? Maybe he got taken to a hospital and survived?
 
The problem with Cali is that there are WAY TO MANY RAVES. .. eventually the death rate goes up. ..

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE OVER DOSES AT EVENTS.


Always!
The massive in my city is once a year, and when it comes around its really MASSIVE with 100,000+ ppl. And it is AMAZING.

And word around the city was this year there were around 10 deaths. , 12 years going and nothing has ever leaked into the media. . But in the city I live in I guess its expected .
 
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eon_blue said:
Wait, someone died at Love Fest last weekend?? Why weren't any deaths reported in the media? The articles I've read stated that there were only 16 reported "minor injuries".

You'd think that after EDC, any more deaths at these things would be publicized like crazy to get them shut down for good. Not saying I don't necessarily believe you, but are you sure the guy died? Maybe he got taken to a hospital and survived?
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Sounds like rumor to me. IF someone died the media would be ALLLLLL over it, especially after the girl at EDC.
 
socalthizzn said:
The girl from edc and the guy from love fest were id bet less than 150 lbs, much less, someone 130-150 lbs ahould not be double dropping, if i cant handle it with my tolerance at 145 lbs n00bs def cant. Peolple arnt superman, we need to relax as a scene.
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I weigh 130 and double drop every time... but my body has a naturally high tolerance to most drugs including MDMA. My friend who weighs like 170 takes two and rolls so fucking hard for like three hours, it's pretty ridiculous.
 
Umm if you take so much MDMA that you sweat out all your fluids and die that's an overdose, just like if you take a shot of heroin and choke on your own vomit and die... It's ignorant to say you can't (or it's ridiculously hard to) overdose on e, if the effects of the drug cause you to die (dehydration) then it's an overdose. And I know you can say that if a person drank the right amount of water they would be fine, yea they'd also be fine if they didn't take a handful of pills, which one do you think contributed more to that persons death? If jimi Hendrix was rolled onto his side he wouldn't have choked on his vomit and overdosed, but he damn sure didn't die from an upset stomach

Lethal dosage (ld50) is the dose it takes to kill 50% of test subjects in a controled enviroment, meaning that about half of the test subjects died from less than that amount.
 
burn2shine said:
Umm if you take so much MDMA that you sweat out all your fluids and die that's an overdose, just like if you take a shot of heroin and choke on your own vomit and die... It's ignorant to say you can't (or it's ridiculously hard to) overdose on e, if the effects of the drug cause you to die (dehydration) then it's an overdose. And I know you can say that if a person drank the right amount of water they would be fine, yea they'd also be fine if they didn't take a handful of pills, which one do you think contributed more to that persons death? If jimi Hendrix was rolled onto his side he wouldn't have choked on his vomit and overdosed, but he damn sure didn't die from an upset stomach

Lethal dosage (ld50) is the dose it takes to kill 50% of test subjects in a controled enviroment, meaning that about half of the test subjects died from less than that amount.
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It's not ignorant to say it's hard to die from consuming MDMA. That's because it IS hard to OD from MDMA. The LD50 for most people, even lightweights is at least (and exceeding) a gram. Double dropping is next to harmless, if anyone tells you otherwise they're a buffoon.
 
It's kinda counter productive to harm reduction to call something harmless when it clearly isn't. Ld50 (which is tested in rats in a lab by the way) is calculating when it makes your body shut down, you can overdose and die because the x made you dehydrated and be under the ld50, did you even read my post or just the last part?


And how you use the term ld50 shows you clearly don't have a good understanding on what it means.

And don't get me wrong, I know it's not as harmful as the media makes it out to be, but it's really bad that everytime a person is reported to have died from taking ecstasy people come to the drugs defense and say what the person "actually died from.". Yea it was dehydration/electrolyte imbalance whatever, but the fact is that if this girl at edc (or any othe od) hadn't taken too much of the drug they'd still be alive, regardless of whether or not their peak plasma levels were at the ld50 or not, the drug caused the death. People defending ecstasy so blindly like that is why so many little kids think they're invincible and end up dying.

There's a lot of misinformation on both sides, while the anti drug side striaght up lies, the ecstasy community just believes any falacy that supports thier argument without really giving it much thought, which can be just as harmful. I do use ecstasy and it can be used safely, I just think it's important that people know what can happen to them if they're not smart about it.
 
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And don't get me wrong, I know it's not as harmful as the media makes it out to be, but it's really bad that everytime a person is reported to have died from taking ecstasy people come to the drugs defense and say what the person "actually died from.". Yea it was dehydration/electrolyte imbalance whatever, but the fact is that if this girl at edc (or any othe od) hadn't taken too much of the drug they'd still be alive, regardless of whether or not their peak plasma levels were at the ld50 or not, the drug caused the death. People defending ecstasy so blindly like that is why so many little kids think they're invincible and end up dying.
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I agree with you in principle, but assuming that the girl died of hyponatremia (which I've heard is what happened from a few sources), she died because she was overly "cautious" and drank way too much water. She really, actually died from drinking too much water, which could have happened if she was sober. You could argue that nothing would have happened if she hadn't taken Ecstasy in the first place, but this is analogous to arguing that someone who got in an accident driving drunk wouldn't have gotten in an accident if they hadn't been drinking. Of course, but the problem was the driving, not the drinking.

Anyway, I do agree with you that people don't exercise proper caution when they take E. Regardless, overstating the hazards can be as harmful as understating them (as in this case where the girl was terrified of dehydrating, because she undoubtedly heard that that's what happens when you use MDMA), unless the person simply decides not to use at all. Honestly, I think that would be best for people who aren't willing or able to take responsibility for their safety, but to each their own. :\

Back on topic, I'm not particularly surprised that that news report was so negative toward the rave scene; moral outrage is always in vogue. :! Hopefully this will all blow over soon and we can get back to business as usual...
 
I see where you're coming from, and to be honest I just like debating shit like that.

You should have seen all the news coverage right after edc, they were acting like it was the first time someone has ever died at one of these things, not that it should be taken lightly but they went overboard with coverage because it's such a big event. My mom was horrified that I went to that.
 
Which is why it's REALLY REALLY weird that they're not reporting on the guy dying at Love Fest, if he did. So either socialthizzen was seeing things OR...

*puts on tin foil hat*

I wouldn't put it past the media to forgo reporting on a death at Love Fest after they made a big stink about how they were ramping up security, how no drugs would be getting in and how they're working to improve these kinds of events so people don't die. Well, then someone goes and dies and makes this whole increase in bullshit look like it did nothing (which of course it's not going to do anything, drugs and those who will use them irresponsibly will be present at any rave.) Now the media looks like fools... IF they choose to report on it. Or they could not report on it and now this increase in precautions looks like a success to the trusting public.
 
burn2shine said:
It's kinda counter productive to harm reduction to call something harmless when it clearly isn't. Ld50 (which is tested in rats in a lab by the way) is calculating when it makes your body shut down, you can overdose and die because the x made you dehydrated and be under the ld50, did you even read my post or just the last part?


And how you use the term ld50 shows you clearly don't have a good understanding on what it means.

And don't get me wrong, I know it's not as harmful as the media makes it out to be, but it's really bad that everytime a person is reported to have died from taking ecstasy people come to the drugs defense and say what the person "actually died from.". Yea it was dehydration/electrolyte imbalance whatever, but the fact is that if this girl at edc (or any othe od) hadn't taken too much of the drug they'd still be alive, regardless of whether or not their peak plasma levels were at the ld50 or not, the drug caused the death. People defending ecstasy so blindly like that is why so many little kids think they're invincible and end up dying.

There's a lot of misinformation on both sides, while the anti drug side striaght up lies, the ecstasy community just believes any falacy that supports thier argument without really giving it much thought, which can be just as harmful. I do use ecstasy and it can be used safely, I just think it's important that people know what can happen to them if they're not smart about it.
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Oh, I have a firm grasp on what LD50 means. Since you like to write paragraphs that don't really say anything, I'm sure you'd love to explain how I'm wrong. Convince me MDMA is as dangerous as you say it is, convince me that I didn't use LD50 correctly. Not only is it test on rats, it's tested on other animals like monkeys (could be chimps, I forget).
 
fanofyou said:
i feel sorry for you poor americans not having a real scene like the UK/Europe .. London Berlin Glasgow Leeds are the places to be!!
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Hahaha u cudnt get mdxx in the uk if u traded a thumb. Hahahahhaha LA still runs the rave world. We keep popping. Ill never attend another event within the citu of los angeles tho, thank god we got san bern. Poor people need money, raves make money. Lapd told me raves will continue in la forever, it makes them rich.
 
I've been over massives for years now, too crowded and too many fucking idots there that don't know how to take drugs and party. Plus have you seen the prices for a ticket now? Fucking shameful. Small raves or with friends, that's how i roll.
 
However you feel about the scene, I can't stop going because of all the talent that comes through! I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd be seeing some of these people DJ. I got into Electronic and fell into the rabbit's hole, and became obsessed with the music. Then I put an ear to the ground and realized a majority of them come through the LA area for massives and whatnot. I could almost not care about the ticket prices, I have to see these artists; they are Gods in my mind.
 
TearItDown said:
It's not ignorant to say it's hard to die from consuming MDMA. That's because it IS hard to OD from MDMA. The LD50 for most people, even lightweights is at least (and exceeding) a gram. Double dropping is next to harmless, if anyone tells you otherwise they're a buffoon.
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I cant handle double droping good beans, id be to fucked up , everyone is different and everyone's body reacts differently,

And the fools who usually overdose are the ones that push the limit. .. or soft rookies... a drugs a drug , and all substance foreign to our body can hurt us. But hey we all take the risk. And some can handle drugs better then others..

I don't think many can survive a fear and loathing weekend
 
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