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The worst opiate/opiod to withdraw from? [New poll options added 1-22-08]

The worst opiate/opiod to withdraw from? (New Poll Options)

  • Methadone

    Votes: 325 27.1%
  • Heroin

    Votes: 278 23.2%
  • Oxycodone

    Votes: 198 16.5%
  • Hydrocodone

    Votes: 54 4.5%
  • Fentanyl

    Votes: 83 6.9%
  • Buprenorphine

    Votes: 43 3.6%
  • Morphine

    Votes: 51 4.3%
  • Others - If so please specify

    Votes: 85 7.1%
  • Hydromorphone

    Votes: 21 1.8%
  • Poppy Pods

    Votes: 47 3.9%
  • Oxymorphone

    Votes: 14 1.2%

  • Total voters
    1,198
yeah lacey definantly summed it all up haha i was actually LOL reading that reply. and u definantly pay a price for this shit. i wish i would of stopped right away im not proud of myself to say how many bags i do a day or what it takes to get me offf. i hate who i am and so does everyone that used to care. oh it happens to everybody .. just continue using and there are only 3 endings: jails, institutions and death, oh my.. im not in jail yet because they didnt catch me, YET. ive been in several placements being on juvenile probation for a few years. and when i turned 18 i just started sending myself to placements, or institutions u could say. we find ourselves in and out of rehabs, and alot of us steal and sell.. anything. and ya know people stop trusting u n dont want anything to do with u disown u.. what not! and then you're finally like "oh i gotta stop using my drug use is outta control" so u go to rehab and then u hear the worst part: drug use isnt our problem.. we are! then people say stuff like "10% of the problem is picking up and 90% of the problem is underlying issues w/ ourselves" i really couldve saved myself the stress by making a one little different move!
 
Please take a moment to stop and look at yourself, and be extremely thankful for the situation you have here. Why? Becuz That aint even 2 weeks of use. You think you got it bad, you are like a kid whose mom wouldnt let him borrow her car complaining about how bad his parents suck to the kid whose dad molests and beats him. Its bad to YOU, and thats mainly the important thing, cuz you are the one that has to go thru it, but I am just tryin to give you some perspective here. I aint tryin to minimize your struggle, but the way you been talking about this shit since I seen you try dope for the first time like a month ago, was :

LOLAWESOMEDOPEIMSOCOOL

to

LOLIMAEXPERIENCEDDOPEUSER

to

OMGLIFESUXADDICTION

in like a few weeks time. First of all, 3 to 6 bags is not a exorbitant amount to do over the course of a day and using that much dont necessarily mean you got a high natural tolerance. In the name of harm reduction I aint suggesting that somebody DO that much daily, especially a new user, dont get me wrong. I am just pointing out to you that it is a reasonably small dose for someone with decent experience, and even a person with moderate tolerance could do that much spaced out over a 24 hr period. I know people who shoot a brick a day, yes 50 bags. And it aint cool and it aint fun. The way you talk about this shit, it honestly seems like you are playing up your use for some reason. Like you are playing to the camera when you type. Lord only know why, but thats how it seems. I dont want to assume that you are doing that, and I am sayin this respectfully, but its impossible not to get that feeling from your posts and your tone. Im sorry if I am wrong but that is honestly how it seems.

You are maximizing the amount that you are doing by saying , i been doin AT LEAST this much, as if that is a large amount, and only a person with a 'high natural tolerance' would be using that much when that simply aint the case. You are now experiencing the mild withdrawals that come along with very short term, relatively small-time heroin use.

I suggest that you take a break from your lil honeymoon beginner phase with heroin before you learn wat a real addiction to dope is actually like. Be happy that you are in a place now where you could turn back. Ill tell you this much it gets a fuck of a lot harder once you been down that road 5+ years, so your 12 days is really not too far gone to cut your losses and fold.

I aint saying this to be condescending, or act like your pain aint legitimate becuz even a small run in with dope can really fuck your shit up and I kno that you are hurtin just as bad as anybody else out there, so i feel for you. some people start suckin dick for dope a month in, and have a horrible addiction that speeds out of control immediately, others maintain for years without much trouble, so I aint tryin to tell you that just becuz you only been using for a very short period of time that your opinion is invalid, or that you aint addicted or watever, becuz addiction takes some people down very fast and i respect that. but , my point is that from your point of view, you are in this terrible spot, but from the point of view of someone who is a little wiser to it (not me particularly but, anyone in general) they can see that you really aint too bad off . honestly, you have no experience with the full blown life of full on heroin addiction. it gets much, much worse. You are just starting out. You got very limited experience with it, and now you are feeling the very first bad effects as a user, and you are talkin about it like a old war veteran reporting back from the trenches instead of a newjack who put his hand on the stove and was suprised when he got burned. Thats just my advice, take it or leave it.

I agree with this post wholeheartedly. It seems to me thats he's doing what so many people tend to do (typically younger kids) when they first start out with dope, or any harder drug for that matter: they glamorize.

Everything from the high itself to the withdrawals suddenly becomes something to aspire to because once you've "seen and felt it all", it's as if you're suddenly a member of some kind of self-righteous, prestigous, elite club. I won't deny I felt that way when I first got into dope, hell that's half the reason I went straight to the needle and didn't bother with smoking/snorting first.

Anyway it's best to put all those fancy thoughts about the supposed 'glamour' of heroin sub-culture out of your head because there isn't any such thing; it's bullshit. I've been fortunate enough to not have had to experience the extreme lows some other addicts have, but I've gained enough common sense over time to realize that in short, heroin is literally a dead-end trail. Nothing to be had or gained, everything to be lost.

There's some perspective.
 
I haven't really had a physical addiction to any opiates, but hydrocodone always screams out for more attention. I haven't had much of a tolerance problem with other opiates, but vicodin always pushes that "one more" button.
 
fentanyl for me has been far worse than others, and ive had w/d from oxycodone/hydrcodone, morphine and hydromorphone.
 
oxy and somas

i thought my oxy withdraw was bad, but it didnt compare to my w/d from carisoprodol/soma. i havent done methadone and dont really want to. like to try heroin though.
 
I've been addicted to oxycodone, suboxone (which I'm still on), and poppies. I've done heroin, hydrocodone, codeine and other opiates many many times, but I was never hooked on those opiates in particular. I never IV'd

I remember when I started out with my daily habit I would get chills, watery eyes, runny noses, soreness and discomfort but the first time I finally understood what being truly sick was like was with poppies. I couldn't get off the toilet, painful diarrhea, throwing up and everything. I wasn't sure if I came down with something or if this was what dope sickness is really about. I felt like an idiot and a pussy for not just going through withdrawal when it was (comparatively) easy.

Anyways, I could hardly go through an hour of it and I immediately obtained some oxy's. I found it strange how as soon as I popped them, before they even could have kicked in, I immediately felt a million times better. For the next month I made sure to never run out and did a pretty good job of it, avoiding letting myself get to that place again until I ran low on funds and got on suboxone. I'm just lucky that my family is steeped in such a fine tradition of drug addiction.

Anyways, so poppies are the worst. Sorry for rambling, just reflecting on a horrible year of my life.
 
my picks and the painless method

Use the info herein with care.

It seems to me that the w/d i get is directly related to the last opiate i've done. I do h and oxy for months and then do methadone twice and run out completely, i get methadone withrawal... Which is the WORST. It is unmanagable, i couldn't do it. I didn't even want to begin to even kind of try. Pods are the second worst for me. The easiest, by far, is a few uses of suboxone as the last opiates i've done. Ideally, a month or so in suboxone to taper

Now here is the potentially dangerous info. It doesn't seem to be known around anywhere these days, but GHB completely blocks nearly all opiate withdrawals if taken every 4 hours around the clock for a week. It is not an opitae so after the week, you have already gone through the bulk of your w/ds. GBL is what is used most often in the past 5 years. Ghb/gbl carries it's own dangers and has often lead people to pass out in public unresponsive only to wake up in the hospital with a huge bill and tons of explaining to do. IF used very carefully, respecting and observing time and dosage (2ml gbl - different for ghb - every 4 hours) it can make a nightmare-ish hell of w/d become anywhere from barely uncomfortable to high and talkative. Don't wake up in the hospital, and dont go this route with doing your homework.

What also seems to help me greatly and IS LEGAL is Phenibut. It helps with mood, sweats, HELPS ALOT with SLEEP, aches and pains, and all around aid. It helps with coming off gbl, opiates, and ALOT with coke w/d. When a clonodine, a valium, and a little dxm is added to the phenibut, you are doing about as well as you can without g. This is from experience in this camp at least.

Best of luck.
 
Methadone is horrible. Same symptoms as Heroin but with a much longer half life. The worst symptoms can last upwards of two months if not tapered properly...
 
been on mmp for 5yrs at 120mgs its taken me 2 fucking years to get down to 2mgs then swithched over to oxy 10s. but by far the worst kick was H in jail no food no sleep no rest nothing but sheer hell. never ever ever again!
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Please take a moment to stop and look at yourself, and be extremely thankful for the situation you have here. Why? Becuz That aint even 2 weeks of use. You think you got it bad, you are like a kid whose mom wouldnt let him borrow her car complaining about how bad his parents suck to the kid whose dad molests and beats him. Its bad to YOU, and thats mainly the important thing, cuz you are the one that has to go thru it, but I am just tryin to give you some perspective here. I aint tryin to minimize your struggle, but the way you been talking about this shit since I seen you try dope for the first time like a month ago, was :

LOLAWESOMEDOPEIMSOCOOL

to

LOLIMAEXPERIENCEDDOPEUSER

to

OMGLIFESUXADDICTION

in like a few weeks time. First of all, 3 to 6 bags is not a exorbitant amount to do over the course of a day and using that much dont necessarily mean you got a high natural tolerance. In the name of harm reduction I aint suggesting that somebody DO that much daily, especially a new user, dont get me wrong. I am just pointing out to you that it is a reasonably small dose for someone with decent experience, and even a person with moderate tolerance could do that much spaced out over a 24 hr period. I know people who shoot a brick a day, yes 50 bags. And it aint cool and it aint fun. The way you talk about this shit, it honestly seems like you are playing up your use for some reason. Like you are playing to the camera when you type. Lord only know why, but thats how it seems. I dont want to assume that you are doing that, and I am sayin this respectfully, but its impossible not to get that feeling from your posts and your tone. Im sorry if I am wrong but that is honestly how it seems.

You are maximizing the amount that you are doing by saying , i been doin AT LEAST this much, as if that is a large amount, and only a person with a 'high natural tolerance' would be using that much when that simply aint the case. You are now experiencing the mild withdrawals that come along with very short term, relatively small-time heroin use.

I suggest that you take a break from your lil honeymoon beginner phase with heroin before you learn wat a real addiction to dope is actually like. Be happy that you are in a place now where you could turn back. Ill tell you this much it gets a fuck of a lot harder once you been down that road 5+ years, so your 12 days is really not too far gone to cut your losses and fold.

I aint saying this to be condescending, or act like your pain aint legitimate becuz even a small run in with dope can really fuck your shit up and I kno that you are hurtin just as bad as anybody else out there, so i feel for you. some people start suckin dick for dope a month in, and have a horrible addiction that speeds out of control immediately, others maintain for years without much trouble, so I aint tryin to tell you that just becuz you only been using for a very short period of time that your opinion is invalid, or that you aint addicted or watever, becuz addiction takes some people down very fast and i respect that. but , my point is that from your point of view, you are in this terrible spot, but from the point of view of someone who is a little wiser to it (not me particularly but, anyone in general) they can see that you really aint too bad off . honestly, you have no experience with the full blown life of full on heroin addiction. it gets much, much worse. You are just starting out. You got very limited experience with it, and now you are feeling the very first bad effects as a user, and you are talkin about it like a old war veteran reporting back from the trenches instead of a newjack who put his hand on the stove and was suprised when he got burned. Thats just my advice, take it or leave it.


Thats how i was with oxy the first go around. I was like bah addiction to 30mg a day sucks.

Cut that shit out when i learned when 80-100mg a day for 4 good months felt like when i stopped
 
I used methadone recreationally for a year or so, a while back. I could not function without it. I find it harder to stop than morphine, so I don't use it anymore.
 
This might not be the right thread for this, but I'm going to ask anyway. I have been taking Roxy/Oxy/Hydro for the past 3+ years. My current tolerance level of oxy (roxy or oxycontin) is about 300 mgs a day. I can get by on most days with about 150-240 mgs and not get sick (and usually catch a decent buzz, although very short lived). When I run out of oxy/roxy/morphine.... I'll usually substitue with Methadone, or suboxone. Suboxone doesn't always hold me, but methadone definentely does. My question is, with such a high tolerance to oxy, I can be held (not sick, but no buzz at all) with as little as 15-20 mgs of methadone per day. I've taken as high as 60-70mgs a day (in a few different smaller doses), and with little added benifits over 20-30 mgs. If I can take 300-330+ mgs a day of roxy (usually in 5 smaller doses, all taken orally throughout the day) how can such a small (and very inexpensive) dose of methadone (10mg Mally tablets) hold me for the whole day with little discomfort? I've gone 3-5 days or even more (about a week or so) while continually LOWERING my methadone dose over the few days and I hardly notice any negative effects. A typic 5 day methadone use would consist of for example; day 1: 25mgs, day 2: 20mgs, day 3: 15mgs....ect. Sorry if this sounded kind of confusing or long, but does anyone else know what I'm talking about as far as methadone being a LOT stronger than oxy? Any imput would be appreciated.. Thanks again!
 
Methadone worst withdrawal. Will never forget pain.

does anyone else know what I'm talking about as far as methadone being a LOT stronger than oxy? Any imput would be appreciated.. Thanks again!

Yes. Methadone has longer half life. Plasma levels of drug build up overtime.
 
I voted Methadone. It was worse than my heroin habit(which was pretty excessive) Horrible experience.

I have to think that all the people who voted oxycodone have never WDed from Heroin or Methadone. Just my personal opinion though...
 
Thanks for the quick reply Rorschach.. But does anyone else have an actual first hand expierence of that big of a difference.. Over 300mgs of oxy every day, and then switching right to methadone (as a substitute, so I don't get sick) with such a small dose. 15-25mgs a day will hold me and that only costs me about $5. I thought I heard that methadone is about twice a strong as oxy (not exactly perportionate though) not 10 times as strong??!!!
 
This is obviously very subjective as the answer depends on many factors instead of a mere blanket statment...things such as tolerance, how the drug effects each person, how long it lasts for each, the quality of the illegal shit they get...all in all, I'd actually say dilaudid...I know all about methadone, but when I made the suboxone switch a few years ago, I only had really bad wd's for one day (I didn't even stop the methadone, just jumped right onto the suboxone), and for 5 days after, just a little hot and cold...I've had worse withdrawals on pods.

There's also the difference in severity of withdrawls vs. the time-length of withdrawls...example: dilaudid vs. methadone...even if methadone MAY not feel as severe a WD to a particular person, the part of being in pure opiate withdrawal hell for up to weeks on end is enough to clearly go insaine.

The final factor that I will attempt to think of and contribute towards this is the length/experience any one individual has with narcotics. The longer they've used, the more they are used to withdrawals imo...although, yeah, the more one uses, the worse the withdrawals...go figure
 
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