The worst opiate/opiod to withdraw from? [New poll options added 1-22-08]

[McFly]

So i've been clean of oxy for 6 days now. Tbh the first couple of days were bad but was expecting worse, i wasnt sick minor upset stomach etc but now i'm still sweating, constantly changing from hot to cold and a bit clamy.

Like last night i was sweating buckets my pjs were soaked thought i should be over it by now, i've been taking some cocodamol to try and keep cravings down would that explain it?

 

[masonyoung]

I have been using opiates for 4-5 years now, and have detoxed from oxy, fentanyl, heroin, methadone hydrocodone, and many others. Which drugs do you think have the worse withdrawls?



1/22/08

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Experience is what enables us to recognize a mistake when we make it again

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

i withdrawl everyday from hydrocodone and oxycodone... the worst is that im coming off of lexapro right now...these withdrawls IN WAYS are worse but def not as bad aas oppiates withdrawls...

 

[tokin']

'I see that alot of people say methadone w/d is hard and it lasts a long time, to the people that picked methadone i'm curious about if it was so bad because you went cold turkey off of methadone or were you weaned off ? Is the w/d still really bad at the end if your weaned off slowly ?'

I was on 120mg a day for 18 months and wanted out of the system (sick of going daily, blah blah blah) and started to kick it @ 5mg per week decrease. Once I got down to 20mg, I couldn't take it and started doing oxy 80's (one) a day and increased from there.

I'd definitely agree though that IV heroin is shitty - it just doesn't last as long.

 

[sunset117]

for me, oxy


but ive never had to WD from methadone

 

[sp0r]

worst isnt single SYNERGY

I havent found any one single drug the hardest to withdrawl from. But I have found two combinations. The first undisputable is methadone habbit with a benzodiazepine habbit. I was on 85mg of methadone a day at the clinic for over 2 years and on about 6 bars of xanax a day. After having so many dirty urines for benzos they kicked me off on a 7 day taper. Withdrawling from xanax and methadone at the same time is probably the worst thing any one person can go through. I remember being six for over 6 months thinking to myself that I would rather be dying of cancer than feel what i went through. Im talking excruciating torture that I wouldnt even use on osama bin laden. Hallucinations from the benzo withdrawl along with shakes and dt's. Horrible opiate withdrawl with the most intense cravings ever. It took about a week for the withdrawl to take affect. I cant explain the pain and psychological damage I went through. After I started getting sick it came on strong. I was unable at that point to get out of my bed to cop heroin to make myself better and I definately wasnt going hunting for benzos. I was forced by the severity of the withdrawl to lay in bed and sweat it out. I would sleep for no more than 10 minutes on and off a nite. And it wasnt really sleep. More like delusions and hallucinations. Sweating, kicking your legs, crying, fetal position, liquids shooting out of any orface possible. After 3 months of intense withdrawl I couldnt handle anymore. I think i almost died from seizures several times and enough was enough. I crawled down to the computer and started googling. I came across the dxm faq by william white on erowid. Somewhere in that ingenious faq I found that dissociatives like dxm can help alleviate withdrawl. That night I tripped off a 8 ounce bottle of robotussin max strength. I never felt so good in my life because I was in new territory yet having flash backs of being at raves. I could feel the changes going on in my brain. The next day after the trip I had the normal dxm affects but was able to get out of bed and about a week more of self medicating with dxm I was able to function and get my endorphines working again. This is the first terrible synergistic combo.
#2 a close second (not close enough tho) Is the heroin we get in pittsburgh which comes in "Stamp Bags". If you wanna see what a stamp bag looks like go google image "get high or die trying" . For an example. What stamps are is the kind of heroin we get in pittsburgh, philly, new york, and some other east coast major cities. Its not pure heroin. Its a mixture of fentanyl, heroin, and even sometimes barbituates. And this is not urban legend. I was caught by our good friends task force and my bags were sent to the lab for determination of what drug it was so they could prosecute accordingly. It read 25% #4 heroin, 25% fentanyl, 4% seconal, 10% diphenhydramine, 36% undetermined. These bags are so unbelievably addictive its disgusting. Much more so than regular heroin. If you can make it three days without robbing your loved ones congratulations. If you make it to night 4 without copping god bless your soul because here comes the vomiting of bile and stomach lining which looks like foamy orange juice. This is along with the writhing in bed like a snake on a hot plate and the feeling that your veins just wanna suck anything near by into them. I am starting to wonder what this undetermined substance is, and I am starting to believe that it was created by our government. You cant smuggle a plastic squirt gun over the border, all this addictive shit isnt geetting in on its own. In the 60s it was vietnam. Now its the american government. Population control, DEA salaries, Police payoffs, the ability to keep money in one area, and the most important the ability to control people. I would like to hear what u guys believe on this subject.
Good luck.

sp0r

 

[change-jug]

I've heard from quite a few people that tea is the worst. Are there any other akaloids besides morphine and codiene to really be worried about? I know there are others, but are they really "active" in the sense we go for? Could you get withdrawls from the alkloids you wouldn't normally get high on?

I`m not sure about the other chems but after using poppy tea for a week straight then stopping cold turkey(not sure if 5 days counts with"cold turkey") but my legs ached,my back was killing me and I felt like shit and was easily aggravated. And this was 3 years after I kicked a 5-6 year pill-leading into heroine addiction.To say that was shitty is an understatement.! I was down to about 1 and a half bags a day after 2 years of a 3-4 bags a day(here in upstate NY) habit. Then my Father died on Thanks Giving,rather unexpectedly and my plan to deal with the grief(He was 44 and I was 23 when he passed) was to use his life insurgence money to by all the dope I could handle. When I finally stopped,thanks mostly to my new girlfriend(who was really excepting of my secret), I was doing 10-20 bags of H a day and spending about $100 on crack a day just to spice things up. I got myself on the waiting list for suboxone,which at the time had a long waiting list due to Doc`s only being able to have 30 patients at a time( a obstacle I avoided by using my now dead father`s name,he was a junky as well and we have the same 1st and last names and he was one of the 30 allowed to have suboxones). I was perscibed 14 pills,2 subutex and 12 suboxones. I had 12 days to kick a 6 year habit.At the time it was horrible but now that I`m clean,have a family and have money that goes to things that are important like other kinds of drugs! I`ve been off H 3 years now but I still love,E,2-cb,2c-t-2,DMT,methylone, I just lay off the smack. But back to the point,I think H was the hardest,but I hear methadone is a bitch.

 

[captainballs]

I can't really vote because I've only done methadone a few times (fucking great drug) and I've never done heroin. However, I currently take a bunch of hydrocodone, which I know is stupid because of all the tylenol, and I recently lowered my dose drastically and was hit hard. Not only was there the usual non-stop 2 day vomit/shit party, migraine, heavy fever, but the pain from my kidneys actually strongly competed with the migraine on the pain factor. I guess you really realize what's happening to your body when you're not deadened to the pain. Still can't hold down anything without shitting it out immediately, not even water, after 2nd day. Been through it before with oxycontin, but at least with that it's only tortured bowel movements that would make Clint Eastwood break down and cry and pass out on the toilet and migraines for a while - not all this fever and kidney shit. Probably should have gone to the hospital. I also take 6 mg of xanax per day as prescribed currently, but that's the last thing I feel like withdrawing from right now in combination with this - I've done it before and it's nothing to play with by itself, let alone combined with what I'm going through at this moment.

 

[Bomboclat]

heroin fersureeeeeee

oxycotton next

 

[NODstradamus]

Methadone by far is the worst... Imagine hurtin' a month after weaning off the shit... I even tried to do the right thing and not use, but the w/d was so bad that I caved in and used.. after like 2 weeks of miserable w/d

 

[LiLc]

ughh why did i come to this thread... just looking at the options ... the names of the drugs... on the poll... ughhh... i've been doing heroin steady at LEAST 3-6 bags everyday for the past 12 days ( I have a naturally high heroin tolerance ), I feel like utter shit TODAY and I CAN go score if I want to....

 

[WatMyConditionIsIn]

hi im new to bluelight. i have never withdrawn from H (as the only time i ever used H consistently i was already on methadone at the time so i never experienced full WD. only other opes ive abused enough to get withdrawals from are oxy, morphine, poppies, hydromorphone, and codeine. I also withdrew from methadone when i quit the program. definately oxycontin and mscontin i found much worse than methadone. dont know why but for some reason methadone wasnt that bad for me and didnt last nearly as long as i had been told. i was done with the worst of it, which wasnt bad at all when compared to other opiates, in less than 2 weeks. the acute wd of oxy or mscontin was WAY uglier IMO

 

[FlowMotion]

Oxy was a bitch

 

[donkeyPUNCH]

I've only W/D'd from H and OC's. Oxys give me restless legs and thats my least favorite physical w/d symptom, so I picked that.

H just gives me hot/cold flashes, sweats, and overall shitty feelings/depression.

 

[phatass]

i'm slowly withdrawing from methadone... it kindof sucks gone from 90mg to 45mg, and getting mad cramps in my legs, and my doc wont prescribe me methocarbomol or carisprodol or meprobromate... i do have valium and clorazepate which are muscle relaxers and help a bit...

 

[candygram]

Methadone without a doubt.

Oxy's a bitch too.

 

[JerZfirE]

The only opiate Ive had W/Ds from is heroin. The last three days I was having W/Ds because I couldnt cop. I left work early yesterday and today and felt like COMPLETE fucking shit. Cold sweats, RLS, weakness, fatigue, not sleeping or eating etc etc..Not to mention fiending for the shit. I felt like I was dreaming all day at work today. I think Im gonna take vaction soon and just tough it out. Its only gonna get worse and I want to kick it ASAP, but its not possible when you have to go to work everyday.

 

[sayanything42]

hands down.. i'd say definantly METHADONE. And everyone knows that methadone withdrawl is worst than heroin withdrawl. Because a dosage of methadone keeps you "good" for 24-36 hrs .. and a fix of heroin keeps you "good" for only... we'll say 6-12 hours.. (that's how it is for me due to my tolerance). So it's common sense that something that holds you over for a longer period of time is going to be waaay harder to come down off of when you don't got it. Methadone is just really bad for you, having a lot of long-term effects on your body. I'd guess this is because it's taken in doses like that and has a certain maintenance program to go with it. Whereas heroin is a more temporary fix, you're always getting different amounts into your body with the different bags and all that shit. There's just so many different factors with heroin use that make it way different from being in a methadone clinic. Therefore making the withdrawls different.. methadone worse though. I hope I made sense.

 

[Khadijah]

ughh why did i come to this thread... just looking at the options ... the names of the drugs... on the poll... ughhh... i've been doing heroin steady at LEAST 3-6 bags everyday for the past 12 days ( I have a naturally high heroin tolerance ), I feel like utter shit TODAY and I CAN go score if I want to....

Please take a moment to stop and look at yourself, and be extremely thankful for the situation you have here. Why? Becuz That aint even 2 weeks of use. You think you got it bad, you are like a kid whose mom wouldnt let him borrow her car complaining about how bad his parents suck to the kid whose dad molests and beats him. Its bad to YOU, and thats mainly the important thing, cuz you are the one that has to go thru it, but I am just tryin to give you some perspective here. I aint tryin to minimize your struggle, but the way you been talking about this shit since I seen you try dope for the first time like a month ago, was :

LOLAWESOMEDOPEIMSOCOOL

to

LOLIMAEXPERIENCEDDOPEUSER

to

OMGLIFESUXADDICTION

in like a few weeks time. First of all, 3 to 6 bags is not a exorbitant amount to do over the course of a day and using that much dont necessarily mean you got a high natural tolerance. In the name of harm reduction I aint suggesting that somebody DO that much daily, especially a new user, dont get me wrong. I am just pointing out to you that it is a reasonably small dose for someone with decent experience, and even a person with moderate tolerance could do that much spaced out over a 24 hr period. I know people who shoot a brick a day, yes 50 bags. And it aint cool and it aint fun. The way you talk about this shit, it honestly seems like you are playing up your use for some reason. Like you are playing to the camera when you type. Lord only know why, but thats how it seems. I dont want to assume that you are doing that, and I am sayin this respectfully, but its impossible not to get that feeling from your posts and your tone. Im sorry if I am wrong but that is honestly how it seems.

You are maximizing the amount that you are doing by saying , i been doin AT LEAST this much, as if that is a large amount, and only a person with a 'high natural tolerance' would be using that much when that simply aint the case. You are now experiencing the mild withdrawals that come along with very short term, relatively small-time heroin use.

I suggest that you take a break from your lil honeymoon beginner phase with heroin before you learn wat a real addiction to dope is actually like. Be happy that you are in a place now where you could turn back. Ill tell you this much it gets a fuck of a lot harder once you been down that road 5+ years, so your 12 days is really not too far gone to cut your losses and fold.

I aint saying this to be condescending, or act like your pain aint legitimate becuz even a small run in with dope can really fuck your shit up and I kno that you are hurtin just as bad as anybody else out there, so i feel for you. some people start suckin dick for dope a month in, and have a horrible addiction that speeds out of control immediately, others maintain for years without much trouble, so I aint tryin to tell you that just becuz you only been using for a very short period of time that your opinion is invalid, or that you aint addicted or watever, becuz addiction takes some people down very fast and i respect that. but , my point is that from your point of view, you are in this terrible spot, but from the point of view of someone who is a little wiser to it (not me particularly but, anyone in general) they can see that you really aint too bad off . honestly, you have no experience with the full blown life of full on heroin addiction. it gets much, much worse. You are just starting out. You got very limited experience with it, and now you are feeling the very first bad effects as a user, and you are talkin about it like a old war veteran reporting back from the trenches instead of a newjack who put his hand on the stove and was suprised when he got burned. Thats just my advice, take it or leave it.

 

[NODstradamus]

^^ Yeah, heroin isnt something to fuck with.... if someone just started, I would suggest they try to kick asap... if not, u will b like some of us long time users that have lost a lot and looking back can say that its no joke... Ive been doing dope for over 10 yrs and its nothing to fuck with... Ive tried everything to kick but found out I just like to get high too much (among other things) Im lucky cuz I got the $$ to use, but its still not an excuse.... methadone maintenance is horrible... actually great while ur on it, but u better never try to get off it.... bc of the daily dose, and the long half life of the drug, ur body becomes accustomed to it... It penetrates areas of ur body that u would never expect... medically they say the w/d are not as bad as Heroin or other opiates, but its the length of the w/d that kills u.... experts say anywhere between 14 days and 6 weeks !! But anyways, heroin is a slippery slope, u start with oxys and say Id never use heroin... then say Id never shoot up.... then say Id never shoot in my neck... and it gets progessively worse... then u go to jail and realize how fucked u really are... some ppl in jail love it... say shit like I hope I get the same cell and shit like that... I dont know abt u, but I hate jail, will do anything to get out of there... I hate to preach, but Lacey is right, dont fuck with heroin if ur not willing to give up a lot of shit...