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The vitamins and supplements MEGA THREAD.
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tabsandcaps
Bluelighter
Those are complete guesses, I haven't measured my height in so long, and the weight is a guess, I was 140 when i was only using MDMA once a month and working out/working as a roofer over the summer. Since then ive become alot skinnier, so im not sure exactly.
laugh
Ex-Bluelighter
eat healthy mate there are no short cuts. the money you are looking to spend on pills and potions would be much better spent on food. if your a shit cook find a decent restaurant and i dont mean kfc. if you are strapped for time their are places you can get home cooked meals packaged so you can just arrange a pick up time or whatever and take it home.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
no, it's the same (maybe even worse..)
/will be happy when that myth finally dies.
and yes the children vits are plenty fine, just don't eat them like candy lol.
keep an eye on usage- you can def push things further in a weekend than the weekdays can recover ya from, and if you're doing that then none of this advice will help you.
Somberlain
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Could anyone give me some info about the different forms of magnesium regarding the issue of absorption? I have a magnesium/potassium combo that contains magnesium oxide and i'm not sure if i should invest money in the citrate form. Some people say the oxide is garbage and that other forms like the citrate get absorbed much better, but my pharmacist says that this is only speculation and that there are other studies that come to the conclusion that the difference is not that huge.
pharmakos
Bluelighter
saw a post by a moderator over in Advanced Drug Discussion that said that the best way to absorb magnesium is actually to take a bath in epsom salt. beyond that IDK.
Ashley
Bluelight Crew
Hey bmxxx, could you elaborate further on that a bit man? I always thought 6-7 smaller meals throughout the day was the preferred option for both cutting and bulking.
A.
Somberlain
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To (kind of) answer my own question about magnesium supplementation: I bought the citrate and it is a huge difference. Oxide really seems to be crap, at least for me. I only need 1/3 of the amount with the citrate and it helps way better with cramps and muscle tension, where the oxide wasn't reliable at all - sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. The stuff i have now is a mixture of "Magnesiumcitrat" and "Magnesiumbis(hydrogen-L-glutamat)" and is taken in small dosages several times a day because you apparently can absorb it better this way.
Magnesium chelate is really hard to get in germany (at least if you don't want to pay for shipping), so for now i'm happy with this stuff.
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red22
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Really looking forward to trying out a phenylalanine regimen. Waiting on the postal service.
Phenylalanine
DL-phenylalanine (DLPA)
D-phenylalanine
L-phenylalanine
Phenylalanine helps create the neurotransmitters — chiefly norepinephrine, epinephrine or adrenalin, and dopamine — that produce mental arousal, alertness, and a better emotional state. It is often used by those attending raves.
Food sources: Almonds, aspartame (NutraSweet), beef, black beans, chicken, cottage cheese, dairy products, eggs, fish, lima beans, milk, nuts, peanuts, pumpkin and sesame seeds, soybeans, sunflower seeds, watercress. Plants contain mostly the "D" form, while animal products contain mostly the "L" form.
Effects: Phenylalanine may contribute to a more positive mental state, alertness, more motivation and ambition, more energy, an increase in learning ability, better memory, and an increased ability to focus and pay attention. (Leon Chaitow, N.D., D.O., claims on the "D" form produces these beneficial results, while Mark Mayell claims that the "L" form stimulates the nervous system and libido, enhances mood and cognition, and suppresses the appetite, whereas the "D" form elevates mood and enhances memory, and DLPA combines the effects of both.) It may help counter jet lag when taken first thing in the morning or right after a long flight, as it helps regulate the body's biological clock. It is believed that DLPA activates the morphine-like endorphins in the body, hormones which act as painkillers.
One study has shown that a significant percentage of individuals suffering from depression exhibited rapid improvements in mood when given 500 mg/day of L-phenylalanine (which was gradually increased to 3 to 4 g/day), along with 100 to 200 mg a day of vitamin B-6 to facilitate the effects of the amino acid. Another study showed significant improvements in those with depression when 250 mg of L-phenylalanine was combined with 5 to 10 mg of Eldepryl. In combination with B-6, it produces the compound phenylethyalmine (PEA), which may elevate mood based on its action as a neurotransmitter. There is some evidence that, in combination with other substances, phenylalanine can help suppress addictive behavior and cravings, but there is no evidence that is suppresses appetite or enhances libido.
A deficiency can result in mood swings, weight gain, and problems with blood circulation.
Precautions: It should not be taken by those with pigmented malignant melanoma cancer, phenylketonuria (or PKU, a genetic metabolic disorder), psychosis, or Wilson's disease (otherwise known as hepatolenticular degeneration, a rare hereditary disease chiefly characterized by a toxic buildup of copper in the organs and tissues of the body). Likewise, those taking MAO-inhibitor drugs should avoid phenylalanine, as should pregnant or lactating women. Early studies seem to indicate that phenylalanine and tyrosine encourages growth of melanomas (skin cancers — one of the most deadliest forms of cancer), and doctors usually have patients restrict their intake of these amino acids. Those with high blood pressue should only take it under the guidance of a health professional.
Some warn that the daily dosage should not exceed 2.4 grams a day. Too much phenylalanine can result in over-stimulation, nervousness, heart palpitations, high blood pressure, and irritability; if taken later in the day, it may cause insomnia. Mayell says these symptoms only occur with the "L" form, and can be avoided by reducing the dosage, switching to DLPA, or taking it only in the morning. Other symptoms include headaches and nausea.
Dosage: The RDA has not been established. It is recommended that both "D" and "L" forms be used, especially in the treatment of depression or for increased energy. A dose for 1000 to 1500 mg of DLPA may be taken in the morning without food; a second dose may be taken later in the day, this time with 100 mg of B-6, 500 mg of vitamin C, and some fruit or fruit juice to help convert the amino acid to norepinephrine. Hendler, M.D., Ph.D., recommends no more than 1.5 g/day, with 20 to 30 mg/day of vitamin B-6 (not to exceed more than 50 mg/day). Mayell advocates a more modest dose of 375 to 500 mg of the "L" form or 750 to 1000 mg of DLPA, first thing in the morning at least 30 minutes before breakfast.
Chaitow, Leon, ND, DO. The Healing Power of Amino Acids. Wellingborough, England: Thorsons Publishing Group, 1989.
Mayell, Mark. Natural Energy. New York: Three Rivers Press, 1998.
Hendler, Sheldon Saul, MD, PhD. The Doctor's Vitamin and Mineral Encyclopedia. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1990.
Encyclopedia of Mind Enhancing Foods, Drugs and Nutritional Substances (David W. Group, 2000), Minor edits made by me (continuity).
http://freakshare.com/files/d1ku57r...nal-Substances---David-W.-Group-2000.pdf.html
Depression-Free, Naturally (Joan Mathews-Larson, 1999)
http://books.google.com/books?id=VRZVAiyWfIIC&pg=PA185
The above book points out a few pages prior that symptoms indicating low norepinephrine include: lethargy, fatigue, sleeping too much, and feelings of immobility. (http://books.google.com/books?id=VRZVAiyWfIIC&pg=PA180)
Additionally, Ester C may be poor. Another form of vitamin C should be used. http://vitamincfoundation.org/esterc.htm
Phenylalanine
DL-phenylalanine (DLPA)
D-phenylalanine
L-phenylalanine
Phenylalanine helps create the neurotransmitters — chiefly norepinephrine, epinephrine or adrenalin, and dopamine — that produce mental arousal, alertness, and a better emotional state. It is often used by those attending raves.
Food sources: Almonds, aspartame (NutraSweet), beef, black beans, chicken, cottage cheese, dairy products, eggs, fish, lima beans, milk, nuts, peanuts, pumpkin and sesame seeds, soybeans, sunflower seeds, watercress. Plants contain mostly the "D" form, while animal products contain mostly the "L" form.
Effects: Phenylalanine may contribute to a more positive mental state, alertness, more motivation and ambition, more energy, an increase in learning ability, better memory, and an increased ability to focus and pay attention. (Leon Chaitow, N.D., D.O., claims on the "D" form produces these beneficial results, while Mark Mayell claims that the "L" form stimulates the nervous system and libido, enhances mood and cognition, and suppresses the appetite, whereas the "D" form elevates mood and enhances memory, and DLPA combines the effects of both.) It may help counter jet lag when taken first thing in the morning or right after a long flight, as it helps regulate the body's biological clock. It is believed that DLPA activates the morphine-like endorphins in the body, hormones which act as painkillers.
One study has shown that a significant percentage of individuals suffering from depression exhibited rapid improvements in mood when given 500 mg/day of L-phenylalanine (which was gradually increased to 3 to 4 g/day), along with 100 to 200 mg a day of vitamin B-6 to facilitate the effects of the amino acid. Another study showed significant improvements in those with depression when 250 mg of L-phenylalanine was combined with 5 to 10 mg of Eldepryl. In combination with B-6, it produces the compound phenylethyalmine (PEA), which may elevate mood based on its action as a neurotransmitter. There is some evidence that, in combination with other substances, phenylalanine can help suppress addictive behavior and cravings, but there is no evidence that is suppresses appetite or enhances libido.
A deficiency can result in mood swings, weight gain, and problems with blood circulation.
Precautions: It should not be taken by those with pigmented malignant melanoma cancer, phenylketonuria (or PKU, a genetic metabolic disorder), psychosis, or Wilson's disease (otherwise known as hepatolenticular degeneration, a rare hereditary disease chiefly characterized by a toxic buildup of copper in the organs and tissues of the body). Likewise, those taking MAO-inhibitor drugs should avoid phenylalanine, as should pregnant or lactating women. Early studies seem to indicate that phenylalanine and tyrosine encourages growth of melanomas (skin cancers — one of the most deadliest forms of cancer), and doctors usually have patients restrict their intake of these amino acids. Those with high blood pressue should only take it under the guidance of a health professional.
Some warn that the daily dosage should not exceed 2.4 grams a day. Too much phenylalanine can result in over-stimulation, nervousness, heart palpitations, high blood pressure, and irritability; if taken later in the day, it may cause insomnia. Mayell says these symptoms only occur with the "L" form, and can be avoided by reducing the dosage, switching to DLPA, or taking it only in the morning. Other symptoms include headaches and nausea.
Dosage: The RDA has not been established. It is recommended that both "D" and "L" forms be used, especially in the treatment of depression or for increased energy. A dose for 1000 to 1500 mg of DLPA may be taken in the morning without food; a second dose may be taken later in the day, this time with 100 mg of B-6, 500 mg of vitamin C, and some fruit or fruit juice to help convert the amino acid to norepinephrine. Hendler, M.D., Ph.D., recommends no more than 1.5 g/day, with 20 to 30 mg/day of vitamin B-6 (not to exceed more than 50 mg/day). Mayell advocates a more modest dose of 375 to 500 mg of the "L" form or 750 to 1000 mg of DLPA, first thing in the morning at least 30 minutes before breakfast.
Chaitow, Leon, ND, DO. The Healing Power of Amino Acids. Wellingborough, England: Thorsons Publishing Group, 1989.
Mayell, Mark. Natural Energy. New York: Three Rivers Press, 1998.
Hendler, Sheldon Saul, MD, PhD. The Doctor's Vitamin and Mineral Encyclopedia. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1990.
Encyclopedia of Mind Enhancing Foods, Drugs and Nutritional Substances (David W. Group, 2000), Minor edits made by me (continuity).
http://freakshare.com/files/d1ku57r...nal-Substances---David-W.-Group-2000.pdf.html
Depression-Free, Naturally (Joan Mathews-Larson, 1999)
http://books.google.com/books?id=VRZVAiyWfIIC&pg=PA185
The above book points out a few pages prior that symptoms indicating low norepinephrine include: lethargy, fatigue, sleeping too much, and feelings of immobility. (http://books.google.com/books?id=VRZVAiyWfIIC&pg=PA180)
Additionally, Ester C may be poor. Another form of vitamin C should be used. http://vitamincfoundation.org/esterc.htm
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DOB
Bluelighter
fresh veggies/fruits > any mutlivitamin pill
heerutosen
Bluelighter
Hey bmxxx, could you elaborate further on that a bit man? I always thought 6-7 smaller meals throughout the day was the preferred option for both cutting and bulking.
A.
Mealtiming is irrelevant.. You can eat 1 meal or 10 meals a day.. If the macro's at the end of the day are the same it won't matter.
Just make sure you get the right amount of protein,fat,carbs and fibre and micronutrients in.. Once you hit your target amount of protein and fat.. Just fill out the rest of your caloric intake with carbs.. Food sources are also irrelevant to bodycomposition, but in order to eat healthy i would make sure to get in a couple servings of fruit and veggies, some dairy (unless lactose intolerant) some eggs, fish, meat and some unrefined carbsources..
As far as supplements go a low dose fullspectrum multi vitamin (around 100% rda instead of a million times the rda) Creatine, Fishoil(omega 3), whey protein and Vit D3 are all usefull additions to your diet..
