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The theory that ended me...

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Poofster

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So me and 2 others decide to drop 3 hits of this green acid we had heard about. The stuff hit crazy hard and it was an amazing trip until we all got into our "think about everything" stage. It was during this stage that we thought up the Bullseye.

A bullseye is the main point which both parties are talking about during a conversation.

Example. if 2 ppl are arguing about something. One person is going to keep talking about it to the other person "gets it". The point that the other person "gets" is the bullseye.

We examined this endlessly until we decided that this theory was the basis of all conversation. This eventually broke down into examining every conversation we had as a structured per determined event. This broke all lines of communication between us and became an obsessive compulsion that we were all trying to defeat.

This theory ended mine and one of my friends fun with LSD due to feeling like life is too over structured. Have any of you guys had this sort of experience while tripping? Also have you found a way to avoid these types of things because i dont want this to happen again if i ever decide to do LSD again.
 
Yeah I get similar vibes when I am LSD. I'll often get confused by the structures inherent inside out daily lives. I often find it hard to make list of preference, I get confused trying to split things into short/medium/long term tasks.
 
Hmm I've never had it turn that way for me. We'll analyze the hell out of something, even conversation, but we'll just be fascinated by it instead of letting it take control. May be something dose dependent, letting it take control.
 
On one experience of LSD I was with a friend who was candyflipping and he kept talking about how everything was all about money and he seemed very angry about this topic. I just kind of wish he'd be quiet about it and just enjoy the trip past a certain point, 'cause most stuff is about money, but who cares? If it wasn't about money it'd be about food or whatever is of value.

To me, psychedelics is all about experiencing rather than talking/analyzing, though I do prefer other people to be present.
 
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On one experience of LSD I was with a friend who was candyflipping and he kept talking about how everything was all about money and he seemed very angry about this topic. I just kind of wish he'd be quiet about it and just enjoy the trip past a certain point, 'cause most stuff is about money, but who cares? If it wasn't about money it'd be about food or whatever is of value.

To me, psychedelics is all about experiencing rather than talking/analyzing, though I do prefer other people to be present.
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I agree, I mainly enjoy being around intelligent people whilst tripping though.
 
Well, life is structured- thats an inherent quality, at least determined by how our brains work. Breaking down the structure will ALWAYS leave residual doubts; what are these structures good for, why and how did they come about, what is structure itself...etc...Truth is, in breaking down things to their basic elements, we are able to see things more clearly. One way to overcome the structured-fated quality life seems to have is spontaneity, whether tripping or not. Just do SOMETHING without challenging it or contemplating its depths. I find that when my mind begins looping ceaselessly on LSD, I try and startle myself with my next "move"- it may be simply jumping in the air, or picking flowers, or thinking about socks....break the loop, and start a new one :D

One thing though- your theory only holds for arguments; not allconversation is about making a point. Most conversation is simply a way of telling other people what the hell we are doing and why...:) When I ask someone the time, I request information- they could send me smoke signals, or tap it out in Morse code on an empty can of beans, but generally they will tell me the time. Its predicatable- hence, I ask. It would be strange if I asked someone "Whats the apple?"- not really a question.

I find breaking grammatical rules and mispelling words (in mind and on paper/screen) can help a situation ov extreem loo-penis.
 
I know kind of what you mean, but in my personal experience after the first stage of getting an understanding of conditioning, patterns and life structuring I feel there comes a stage of letting it all go again. It's like you have to realize what you are attached to before freeing your mind from it.
These kinds of development have dominated years of my life but the course and result is almost always the same: first an intense and hard time going through a problem and figuring out what conflicts are inside of me related to the world, then after I come out better than before.
It's worthwhile but not easy.
 
Getting to the point... thats such an interesting way to look at our "normal structured lives."

Perhaps what your trip was trying to convey was the non focus on the present moment that we all struggle with?

But been there brother, stuck in thought loops... tricky things to get your self out of eh? Usually I have someone there to snap me out of it, but if it was just you and your buddy I could see the issue if you both were stuck.

Lower doses of LSD tend to fuck your mind a lot less.
 
I think this an example of over thinking something to the point of it confusing you. Psychs can sometimes do this. Of course the basis of most conversations are about people conveying ideas (or the bullseye as you came to call it) to each other. That's the inherent purpose of language.

Did you each drop three hits or did you each take one of 3 total hits you had?

The best way to get out of a thought loop or escape a bad/confusing train of thought is to listen to music. Putting on music can completely change the direction of a trip.

I wouldn't give up on LSD if I were you. Just try changing the setting or trip plan a bit next time. If talking becomes uncomfortable find some other activity.

Personally, I generally like to trip alone especially with high dose trips because having other people around can be a big distraction if you want to really just explore your mind. When I do social trips it is always lower dose nowadays. I can remember times were paying attention to and participating in conversation became incredibly laborious and difficult on 3+ hits of LSD although still somewhat amusing.
 
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about 2 weekends ago my best friend and I candy flipped off some nice doses. he was asking me a lot of questions about life and my family and I wasnt really engaged with the conversation because I am usually inside my head for a bit and he some how got into a topic of discussion of us being best friends but we dont know each other. i first thought this was going down the shitter but we just started to talk and i put my focus on him and had a conversation that actually went pretty awesome.

sometimes when people go on about something it is because it is on their mind and when they are under the influence of LSD that thought can get wrapped up really quick. I find talking to them about whatever they are going on about in a calming matter they will calm down and before you know it youll be on another subject.
 
My last LSD trip was pretty eye opening. I was picking up vibes from everything. I got into this phase where I was nonstop over thinking things. Everything was scaring me. I wasnt talking, just staring. I had my friend's laser pointer, and it saved me ass.
 
Do you think it is about the dose or is it just the kind of ppl we are?

Whenever we do acid we all get a talking about things like general trends in population and the human psyche and the way the brain works in terms of thought and stuff. This is the kind of things we think about. Is it the dosage that was really a problem or is it possible to have a personality that is self-destructive with LSD?
 
that's an extremely interesting theory, but i could see how it would suck whilst on acid. i'd imagine it would totally ruin a good trip.
 
The basis of language is to better make yourself understood, there is no getting around that. However think of this, if we did not have communication how lonely would that get with no way to relate to one another? There would be no friendship, no love, no family structure. We would be beings just existing instead of reaching out to one another and living life.
 
Poofster said:
Do you think it is about the dose or is it just the kind of ppl we are?

Whenever we do acid we all get a talking about things like general trends in population and the human psyche and the way the brain works in terms of thought and stuff. This is the kind of things we think about. Is it the dosage that was really a problem or is it possible to have a personality that is self-destructive with LSD?
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I would say its a combo of both, with larger doses you will be in deeper and deeper to this kind of thought processes. This will allow for more to come out and for more to have a negative effect thats harder to avoid
 
"Too much structure" is a common theme to all my trips. Usually, this manifests as a desire to break free, take off my shoes, and run through the grass. I get the urge to forget everything in my fake, modern life and get back to living like a real human.
 
yeah this sort of thing has happened on me on LSD. the last time i took it i became obsessed with what i was calling "social dials" like volume knobs for the various components of a personality, and how all interaction is just a reading of the levels on these "dials" and interpreting it into what becomes an "impression" eg someone is a 5-intelligent and a 9-funny and a 2-rich and a 7-beautiful and a 4-cool and each person is set differently, this was my explanation for why i could not stand being around an incredibly negative hasidic jew on LSD because of "dial dissonance."
 
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