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If anyone is interested nefopam is a great med that noone else here talks about, it is non opiate, non benzo, literally in a class of it's own, kills pain well, gives you constipation, all good for giving up an opiate.
 
If anyone is interested nefopam is a great med that noone else here talks about, it is non opiate, non benzo, literally in a class of it's own, kills pain well, gives you constipation, all good for giving up an opiate.
@Nicomorphinist used to mention it pretty frequently when he was still around (~18 months ago). It sounds really interesting. I guess it's a relative of diphenhydramine and orphenadrine, chemically speaking?
 
Committing suicide is definitely not part of the plan, I actually have a nice life if I can get back into it, but I take the warning seriously because it can happen and these meds have some serious shit side effects if not used "as advised". Anyone here is obviously not great at that.
Gaba drugs seriously fucked up all electrical brain signals.Nasty drugs to be abused and to be on high dose.They could be beneficial in some situation,but withdrawls are I guess horrible.All this antiseizure drugs from that type could bring hell and led you to total madness.Personally for me worst than opies in many ways.Its complicated,cause we are different...for some this meds could be of great help,for others-agony
 
Gaba drugs seriously fucked up all electrical brain signals.Nasty drugs to be abused and to be on high dose.They could be beneficial in some situation,but withdrawls are I guess horrible.All this antiseizure drugs from that type could bring hell and led you to total madness.Personally for me worst than opies in many ways.Its complicated,cause we are different...for some this meds could be of great help,for others-agony
I've a doctor who is always keen to give me gabapentin, so I won't run out and it doesn't cause me the usual problems I've heard like sudden depression or weight gain, although I'm up to 53kg now, yay, back to healthy. Perhaps it does cause weight gain, lol, I only went down to 48kg this time which is skinny but not too bad for an average height female. Gabapentin helps me with anxiety, along with nefopam which I looked up last night and it acts as an reuptake inhibitor for seretonin, dopamine and norephrine (can't remember the last one exactly), so that ought to help with feeling shite.
 
Gaba drugs seriously fucked up all electrical brain signals.Nasty drugs to be abused and to be on high dose.They could be beneficial in some situation,but withdrawls are I guess horrible.All this antiseizure drugs from that type could bring hell and led you to total madness.Personally for me worst than opies in many ways.Its complicated,cause we are different...for some this meds could be of great help,for others-agony
I quit Lyrica (pregablin, another Gaba drug) cold turkey once. What an absolute mistake. I only lasted about 24 hours before I was ready to commit suicide. The desperate confusion it caused me was so debilitating and frightening. Thankfully it was a choice to quit and not because I ran out, so I got back on it and started a taper. Opiate withdrawal sucks, no question, but Gaba wd’s can be a lot worse.

If you look up all of the crazy and seemingly random stuff they prescribe it for, all around the world, you start to get a feel for all of the negative you can expect when you’re trying to quit.
 
Got my prescription filled yesterday. Gotta love Covid. 2 minutes on the phone with the Doctors PA (physician’s assistant) and I don’t even have to leave my house. It feels more and more like a shady deal with my dealer every month.

My new goal is just to do something different. Anything, doesn’t matter. I’m in pain most of every day, but I live just fine on Kratom for weeks at a time. I took too many Perc’s last month in a short time and got really sick, probably hurt my liver from all of the Tylenol. I’m fine now but that scared me. I need something to look forward to, like a couple of days each week when I can take a bunch of meds and be pain free for a few hours. I have to stop using them all day, but I’m going insane thinking about cutting myself off from hope forever.
 
Got my prescription filled yesterday. Gotta love Covid. 2 minutes on the phone with the Doctors PA (physician’s assistant) and I don’t even have to leave my house. It feels more and more like a shady deal with my dealer every month.

My new goal is just to do something different. Anything, doesn’t matter. I’m in pain most of every day, but I live just fine on Kratom for weeks at a time. I took too many Perc’s last month in a short time and got really sick, probably hurt my liver from all of the Tylenol. I’m fine now but that scared me. I need something to look forward to, like a couple of days each week when I can take a bunch of meds and be pain free for a few hours. I have to stop using them all day, but I’m going insane thinking about cutting myself off from hope forever.
Keep on with kratom.Avoid percs,if you can or at least do CWE....even for two-three grams APAP.(especially if you drink or got hepatitis.This stuff hydrocodone is available only in US as I know.
 
2 minutes on the phone with the Doctors PA (physician’s assistant) and I don’t even have to leave my house. It feels more and more like a shady deal with my dealer every month.
Definite bonus of the pandemic. I go online, select my meds, it gets collected by the local pharmacy and delivered to my door with a big purple sticker on the bag saying, "Controlled Drugs!".
The sticker's for when I'm not in and they leave it on the doorstep, wouldn't want any potential thief thinking it was just a boring ordinary prescription :unsure:
 
Definite bonus of the pandemic. I go online, select my meds, it gets collected by the local pharmacy and delivered to my door with a big purple sticker on the bag saying, "Controlled Drugs!".
The sticker's for when I'm not in and they leave it on the doorstep, wouldn't want any potential thief thinking it was just a boring ordinary prescription :unsure:
Are you living in Paradise?Be happy....or try to be!
 
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You hate the taste of Kratom? I find it ok mixed in OJ, but this morning all there was was Tonic Water, the soda, it might have a different name there, the stuff that goes with gin, but kratom mixed in tonic water is fluffy, fizzy and very drinkable! Possibly even, dare I say it, nice? Worth a try :)
 
@Squeaky
You hate the taste of Kratom? I find it ok mixed in OJ, but this morning all there was was Tonic Water, the soda, it might have a different name there, the stuff that goes with gin, but kratom mixed in tonic water is fluffy, fizzy and very drinkable! Possibly even, dare I say it, nice? Worth a try :)
Kratom tastes to me like licking my dog’s butthole. I have tried so many different things to make it less disgusting. The only thing I have found that is guaranteed to help mask the flavor is sugar. ANYTHING sweet, right after my serving of Kratom, really helps. Juice, candy, fruit, etc.... just a few sips or bites of something sugary. Carbonation is fine as long as it’s AFTER I have swallowed it all (somehow the bubbles hit the powder and the whole problem gets 5x worse). Mixing with orange juice definitely helps a LOT, but I usually am at work (construction-type job) and it’s just not possible to plan that type of situation.

I just do the scoop and swallow method. A spoonful of Kratom in my mouth (dry), rinse down with water. Usually follow with soda (for the sweetness). It’s disgusting but fast, and that’s really what I need ar work.
 
Kratom tastes to me like licking my dog’s butthole. I have tried so many different things to make it less disgusting. The only thing I have found that is guaranteed to help mask the flavor is sugar. ANYTHING sweet, right after my serving of Kratom, really helps. Juice, candy, fruit, etc.... just a few sips or bites of something sugary. Carbonation is fine as long as it’s AFTER I have swallowed it all (somehow the bubbles hit the powder and the whole problem gets 5x worse). Mixing with orange juice definitely helps a LOT, but I usually am at work (construction-type job) and it’s just not possible to plan that type of situation.

I just do the scoop and swallow method. A spoonful of Kratom in my mouth (dry), rinse down with water. Usually follow with soda (for the sweetness). It’s disgusting but fast, and that’s really what I need ar work.
Not licked any dogs' butts recently, so can't compare :p
I tried eating the powder once, near choked to death, too big a spoon of powder and I coughed and breathed in some, spluttered the rest around the kitchen for the next five minutes, not good. Just had more with tonic again, yum straight down. I think because tonic is both sweet and bitter it masks it better.
I get what you're saying about at work though.
I'm day 12 and not really missing my other opiates much any more. :eek: I feel different. I'm staying off it until April, then I can return. I already need bloody physiotherapy from the tension of quitting. I've wrecked myself from my jaw and down my ribcage because as each bit hurts it tenses more and then I start to break down, I've a genetic thing where my ligaments are as weak as bones are in brittle bone disease, I injure quick and heal slow and hurt a lot. Pod tea means I'm not hurting and also not injuring myself. My husband thinks I should stop being too fussy, just use whatever works and take it travelling too.
I just don't want to get caught or my doctor meds might get taken away and I need them more. I wish I could discuss it all with my doctor, but I can't ofc
I like not needing to avoid the withdrawals or worry about it in general. I really feel different.
 
Not licked any dogs' butts recently, so can't compare :p
I tried eating the powder once, near choked to death, too big a spoon of powder and I coughed and breathed in some, spluttered the rest around the kitchen for the next five minutes, not good. Just had more with tonic again, yum straight down. I think because tonic is both sweet and bitter it masks it better.
I get what you're saying about at work though.
I'm day 12 and not really missing my other opiates much any more. :eek: I feel different. I'm staying off it until April, then I can return. I already need bloody physiotherapy from the tension of quitting. I've wrecked myself from my jaw and down my ribcage because as each bit hurts it tenses more and then I start to break down, I've a genetic thing where my ligaments are as weak as bones are in brittle bone disease, I injure quick and heal slow and hurt a lot. Pod tea means I'm not hurting and also not injuring myself. My husband thinks I should stop being too fussy, just use whatever works and take it travelling too.
I just don't want to get caught or my doctor meds might get taken away and I need them more. I wish I could discuss it all with my doctor, but I can't ofc
I like not needing to avoid the withdrawals or worry about it in general. I really feel different.
It’s nice to feel free from the opiates, even if it’s only temporary. But don’t forget that Kratom will seriously raise your tolerance. I went a few months with nothing but Kratom and my first trip back to oxycodone was 80 mg all at once, and I felt basically nothing. It has been a blessing and a curse for me.

I agree with your husband. If you’re dealing with pain at that level and there’s something that works for you, even if it’s illegal, find a way to make it concealable so that you can take it on the road.
 
Nothing is changing for me anymore. It’s not exactly a bad thing because I am a creature of habit and my current habit seems to be sustainable. I get my prescription filled, use it up in a few days, and go back to Kratom.

It’s soooo hard to have any kind of pain and know there’s relief in that little bottle, particularly withdrawals and at night when it’s quiet. I drive myself a little crazy saying I’ll only use them on Sunday morning because I won’t. I need new habits though. I’d really like to cut back significantly on the Kratom, but usually when I’m ready to try that I’m about to get my next script. I have been telling the Dr to reduce my prescription lately, so my little bottle of addiction only now has 1/2 the oxy that it did six months ago. Its a small step but it’s a permanent one and it’s in the right direction.

Kratom has totally f’ed my tolerance. 120 mg of oxy after 3 weeks with only Kratom and I felt absolutely nothing, not even pain relief. Only relief from wd’s. It’s unbelievable.
 
Nothing is changing for me anymore. It’s not exactly a bad thing because I am a creature of habit and my current habit seems to be sustainable. I get my prescription filled, use it up in a few days, and go back to Kratom.

It’s soooo hard to have any kind of pain and know there’s relief in that little bottle, particularly withdrawals and at night when it’s quiet. I drive myself a little crazy saying I’ll only use them on Sunday morning because I won’t. I need new habits though. I’d really like to cut back significantly on the Kratom, but usually when I’m ready to try that I’m about to get my next script. I have been telling the Dr to reduce my prescription lately, so my little bottle of addiction only now has 1/2 the oxy that it did six months ago. Its a small step but it’s a permanent one and it’s in the right direction.

Kratom has totally f’ed my tolerance. 120 mg of oxy after 3 weeks with only Kratom and I felt absolutely nothing, not even pain relief. Only relief from wd’s. It’s unbelievable.
Are you in withdrawal most of the time? Or is it just if you don't have kratom? I'm getting more kratom too. Wasn't planning to, but hey, that's how it goes, I gotta have something and one tea for another is very sustainable for me (after ten weeks of quitting on/off).
I worry about you taking all that paracetamol, Why do you think it's better than just oxy on it's own?
 
It’s nice to feel free from the opiates, even if it’s only temporary. But don’t forget that Kratom will seriously raise your tolerance. I went a few months with nothing but Kratom and my first trip back to oxycodone was 80 mg all at once, and I felt basically nothing. It has been a blessing and a curse for me.

I agree with your husband. If you’re dealing with pain at that level and there’s something that works for you, even if it’s illegal, find a way to make it concealable so that you can take it on the road.
Thank you, my jaw was slightly out of it's socket on one side from clenching so bad when I was quitting. Amazon delivered me the dental grips this morning and I got it to click back into it's proper place. It's called subluxation, I'm never sure if that's the problem until it clicks back and the relief is instant and now it just feels bruised and swollen, but I can relax now!
 
Nothing is changing for me anymore. It’s not exactly a bad thing because I am a creature of habit and my current habit seems to be sustainable. I get my prescription filled, use it up in a few days, and go back to Kratom.

It’s soooo hard to have any kind of pain and know there’s relief in that little bottle, particularly withdrawals and at night when it’s quiet. I drive myself a little crazy saying I’ll only use them on Sunday morning because I won’t. I need new habits though. I’d really like to cut back significantly on the Kratom, but usually when I’m ready to try that I’m about to get my next script. I have been telling the Dr to reduce my prescription lately, so my little bottle of addiction only now has 1/2 the oxy that it did six months ago. Its a small step but it’s a permanent one and it’s in the right direction.

Kratom has totally f’ed my tolerance. 120 mg of oxy after 3 weeks with only Kratom and I felt absolutely nothing, not even pain relief. Only relief from wd’s. It’s unbelievable.
Kratom being somekind an opioid raise tolerance to other opioids.Better to try to take only kratom even in larger doses and cut all percs.When my patches are finished must withdrawling probably.Theres no chances to find any opioid except tramadol...and methadone program.Black market consist only with weed,meth and usual amph.powder.Guess all old junkies are in programs,dead or somehow quitt.
 
Why am I such an idiot sometimes? I found myself all on my own yesterday, unexpectedly, first time this year there hasn't been someone about to walk in and want me to be in the same room with them. I hurt everywhere this morning and I don't even remember last night except I stayed in, the music was great, my pill stash took a dent along with some knockout weed and I've still all yesterday afternoon's work to start, as well as today's ffs. Not so abstinent feeling today, coffee won't fix this, already been nibbling opies but I'll stop that now and wait.
 
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