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I scared myself this time tbh, even though its happened before it lasted so long this time, think I'll stick to the valium tonight and that's it, thanks though I don't want that to
There’s something about withdrawals from a combination of pills that can drive you crazy. Too many possible causes equal too many possible solutions. By the time you accidentally take what you needed to get some sleep or whatever is sucking right then, you might have already taken 3 or 4 other pills that didn’t help. So you finally get to sleep but the combination you ingested was enough to kill a small elephant. (Speaking from experience here....) Then it’s the middle of the night, everyone in the house is asleep, and You wake up just before you stop breathing and don’t know what to do.
When that has happened to me I was always too scared or embarrassed to call for help. The strange combination and large quantities of pills I had taken made it pretty impossible to figure out exactly where I screwed up, but I still thought I could use it as a “learning experience” and not make the same mistake again. Never in a million years would I ever come clean about exactly what I had taken, and I probably didn’t really remember anyway.
UNLESS: If I actually thought I was about to die. There was one time when I really thought I was done for sure. Awake all night, puking my brains out, shaking uncontrollably. I felt like my heart might stop beating and explode at any moment, and it wasn’t getting any better. With my last dying breath I told the paramedics everything (what I remembered anyway).

You would think my ‘near death experience’ would have made me change. It only made me a better asshole. My fear became confidence when I felt better. After that I wasn’t afraid of that combination of stuff anymore because I knew the boundary. Before that I was afraid of overdose or a bad combination of pills, but afterwards I felt like I knew exactly when to stop.

In hindsight I can see that I was probably fine, just scared, but I probably would have benefited from a more serious reaction. A couple of days in the hospital with an IV in my arm, getting drug tested, my wife knowing the truth, getting labeled as an addict. It would have totally sucked but it would have been a great reason to quit everything. No doubt I got close to a serious overdose several times after that incident, all by accident. Who knows. But if I had died during a later overdose it would be really easy to point at that incident and say that if I had quit back then, I would still be alive.
 
By the time you accidentally take what you needed to get some sleep or whatever is sucking right then, you might have already taken 3 or 4 other pills that didn’t help

Yeah I used to pop pills till I finally fell asleep, woke up unable to breath so often, probably in denial it was the pills doing that

Awake all night, puking my brains out, shaking uncontrollably. I felt like my heart might stop beating and explode at any moment, and it wasn’t getting any better. With my last dying breath I told the paramedics everything (what I remembered anyway)

Fuck, what do you remember taking?

A couple of days in the hospital with an IV in my arm, getting drug tested

Exactly why I didn't tell 111 what I took said sominex, promethazine lol



No doubt I got close to a serious overdose several times after that incident, all by accident

What pills, benzos, or opioids or both?
 
Yeah I used to pop pills till I finally fell asleep, woke up unable to breath so often, probably in denial it was the pills doing that



Fuck, what do you remember taking?



Exactly why I didn't tell 111 what I took said sominex, promethazine lol





What pills, benzos, or opioids or both?
Oxycodone, lorazepam, lyrica (or gabapentin), Baclofen. All legitimately prescribed by my Dr. Various amounts and combinations. I don’t remember what, how much, or exactly when. Those were all I had access to. I was desperately trying to stop the pain, I was just horribly mistaken about where the pain was coming from. Turned out that the pills I took yesterday created the pain today that I would tell the Dr about tomorrow and use that pain to justify getting more pills.

The only thing I had heard was that mixing any of those with alcohol was a death sentence, so no booze. I even OD’d on ibuprofen once and made myself really sick for two days.
 
I was desperately trying to stop the pain, I was just horribly mistaken about where the pain was coming from

Where was it coming from? did you find out, so you wasn't trying to get high you was trying to sleep and get rid of pain or both?

Ibuprofen OD sounds horrible I take that alot with paracetamol for fibromyalgia but I'm not meant to take ibuprofen as have GERD, but my doctor won't give me pain killers for my fibromyalgia so what am I meant to do, started buying OTC co codamol but that don't do much but it's not ibuprofen so that's better for my stomach and osofagus
 
So amazing you still have your chin up, you need to. You're I think, in my history around this community // one of the most strongest personality i've ever seen, you're like a wine, as older as better. What you're using rn?
Well, thank you my dear friend.
I appreciate that very much.
I have been through a lot.
So much that I barely flinch at morphine withdrawal.
Squeaky and I are both injured and we have tried every which way and documented it on this thread in the hopes of helping others.

I have been in agony the last two days.
It has been a very long and painful night for me.
I just barely got my morphine prescription in me.
Thank God!
My body is so stiff I can’t move yet but that warm feeling is hitting me now.

Love you guys!
 
I was in a car accident and have a bad head injury and my tailbone is broke off and lodged on my spinal nerve.
I just thought the pain would go away and I didn’t realize my head injury was so bad.
I was having trouble keeping track of the time and dressing myself.
I somehow made it a year like that....before I overdosed on Tylenol and Valium and Hydrocodone.
The Tylenol was the most damaging thing to my body.
I had Liver failure, kidney failure, other multiple organ failure.
It was SO PAINFUL! OMG!
I actually died and left my body and saw heaven and hell.
I had an 11 day Near Death Experience.
Totally out of my body.
The good Lord saved me from having to have a Liver transplant and from having daily dialysis for kidney failure.
Looking back I can see there came a point where I really think I tried to kill myself.

I am-was like you @Squeaky
Suffering in silence and never telling anyone.
It was the worst decision of my life.

When I finally had everything come out, I was surprised to receive the care I really needed.
Opiates can be a life saver and a quality of life factor that is Golden.
But they also have a very dark side.

@Squeaky and I have documented our experiences here in the hopes of helping others.
This is a great thread to read for information about withdrawal aid’s, fuck ups, pain management and benzodiazepines and their problems from a high dose user, our dear friend @shroomysatore whom we do not know if he is alive and we miss him and love him very much.

There is much experience in this thread and @Squeaky and I are still around to try to help others not make the same mistake’s we did.

So happy to hear of your amazing progress my friend @Squeaky ❤️👍
I have been working my ass off on getting my blown out tolerance back down.
It has been hard but I am making progress.

Hang in there everyone.
This does get better, it just takes awhile.
Keep talking, reaching out for support, and don’t give up.
I have faith in you.
❤️
 
I've been off and on pills for 5 years or more now, I've took much more than last night and been fine, but I wake up with a tight chest often on benzos and thought I'm allergic to the fillers or something so get them tested and all along it's probably been respiratory depression, that tight chest and breathing thing took so long to get better, so I've only took 10mg of valium today and got rid of the clonazepam and now I'm even to scared to take promethazine with valium tonight to taper

I scared myself this time tbh, even though its happened before it lasted so long this time, think I'll stick to the valium tonight and that's it, thanks though I don't want that to happen either
How long have you been taking clonazepam and what dosage?
I also have to take clonazepam 1 mg daily.
Clonazepam has a major withdrawal and is dangerous to just stop taking.
I don’t think Valium would cover it.
You might want to try half your dose.

I am sorry to hear what you went through.
That is scary.

I can’t sleep on my back, I have to sleep on my sides and keep changing sides due to chronic pain building up.
I get that same thing you are describing if I sleep on my back for very long.
That could be from chronic pain or from anxiety itself.

Much Love to you.
 
How long have you been taking clonazepam and what dosage?

Off and on couple weeks here and there for while then back to vallies, and was taking alot a while ago couple of 2mg clonazepam a day or so split into half's or quarters, but it was so strong I'd forget stuff so didn't buy that make again, bought vallies, then tried the ones I know I liked before but now they just make me hyper and forgetful, I left my keys in my front door yesterday or day before when I went to town that and not being able to breathe properly when I woke up was final straw so got rid of them

am sorry to hear what you went through.
That is scary

Taught me a lesson I obviously needed, but thankyou


I can’t sleep on my back, I have to sleep on my sides and keep changing sides due to chronic pain building up

And me, I can't sleep on my back, not because of pain, just not comfortable I sleep on my sides and keep changing sides too


That could be from chronic pain or from anxiety itself

My anxiety and insomnia cause the pain as I get worse fibromyalgia flair ups when tired and can't sleep


Much Love to you

You too thanks for the comments
 
Sounds like you have not taken the clonazepam for very long and it was sporadic use, so you should dump those NOW!
They are very strong and are living hell to withdrawal from.
My advise is to stick with the Valium.
I wouldn’t mix it with phenergan (promethazine) again.
That sounds like a bad combo for you.
I am glad you are doing okay today.
❤️👍
 
Well, thank you my dear friend.
I appreciate that very much.
I have been through a lot.
So much that I barely flinch at morphine withdrawal.
Squeaky and I are both injured and we have tried every which way and documented it on this thread in the hopes of helping others.

I have been in agony the last two days.
It has been a very long and painful night for me.
I just barely got my morphine prescription in me.
Thank God!
My body is so stiff I can’t move yet but that warm feeling is hitting me now.

Love you guys!


I'm in pain too, I got a mumps ( right side of jaw, mandibular) and lemme tell you that this shit feels like a opioid wd at times, ahaha. You're basically on antibiotics 24/7, sometimes you get 3hrs of numbness if you're lucky but when it claws, that shit puts on his kevlar.
 
I'm in pain too, I got a mumps ( right side of jaw, mandibular) and lemme tell you that this shit feels like a opioid wd at times, ahaha. You're basically on antibiotics 24/7, sometimes you get 3hrs of numbness if you're lucky but when it claws, that shit puts on his kevlar.
Oh no!
Mumps huh?
I’m so sorry to hear that.
I hope it goes away soon.
Yeah, us veterans of pain and opiate withdrawal compare any pain to the severity of the opiate withdrawal pain.
It is some intense shit!
24/7 antibiotics is hell also. Ugh!
Sending you a hug and some comfort, prayers, and love!
Get well soon.
You are loved!
❤️
 
My advise is to stick with the Valium.
I wouldn’t mix it with phenergan (promethazine) again.
That sounds like a bad combo for you.
I am glad you are doing okay today

Yeah I had no idea as promethazine is sold over the counter and had it before, it must of been the clonazepam in the day then valium and promethazine at night, but not doing that again just incase it was just the vallies and promethazine

Yeah doing okay today thankyou, been moody and easily annoyed but only had 2 x 5mg vallies today, will take more before bed
 
Yeah I had no idea as promethazine is sold over the counter and had it before, it must of been the clonazepam in the day then valium and promethazine at night, but not doing that again just incase it was just the vallies and promethazine

Yeah doing okay today thankyou, been moody and easily annoyed but only had 2 x 5mg vallies today, will take more before bed
Promethazine is sold over the counter?
Where you at?
It is a prescription drug here in the U.S.A.

Good job for getting rid of the clonazepam.
That is one drug you don’t want to mess with.
Clonazepam is a Long acting benzo, so it was probably the clonazepam mixed with the promethazine (and Valium) that caused that.

yeah, you will probably be a bit moody and annoyed today but that will pass.
You are going to be alright.
Breathing exercises and meditation can help.
also music helps me a lot.
Using my voice somehow helps to release some of the chronic pain pressure.
Sing along with some music.
 
Good morning..
I'm tapering down and my pain level just went from 3 to 8..
Rough..
Been on this train long time...
The first month I was off the pills seemed like proof that I would be a professional pain patient for every. It was probably 2 months before I could see that my general pain had fallen to a level that was lower than when I used my pills. Who knows why but it really feels like my brain was so pissed off about the whole abstinence that it was jumping on any opportunity to take the smallest discomfort and blow it was out of proportion.

About 2 years ago I clearly remember tapering my opiates because I was running low. I had to get from about 150mg oxy per day down to 30mg per day, and I had 3 weeks to do it or I was going to be completely out for a few days. It was the most I have suffered since the beginning. I honestly think that was worse than cold turkey. Every time I cut my dose I suffered pain throughout my entire body. I would go from an hour or two of relief after my pills started to work, to 5 minutes of relief at the new lower dose. At least with cold turkey there’s hope that the worst will be over in a week. Tapering felt like a life sentence, and the closer I got to zero the worse it felt. And it was non stop for weeks until I got my refill and did it all over again.

I figured out later that my problem was basic math. My brain/body couldn’t count milligrams, but it was acing percentages. Until you’re very close to zero, it’s all about percentages. Cutting back from 100mg to 50mg feels basically just as horrible as cutting back from 20mg to 10. My mistake was thinking a solid taper plan was something like cutting 10 mg per day until zero.
 
Promethazine is sold over the counter?
Where you at?

The UK, yeah in almost all chemist's lol

Good job for getting rid of the clonazepam.
That is one drug you don’t want to mess with.

yeah, you will probably be a bit moody and annoyed today but that will pass.
You are going to be alright.
Breathing exercises and meditation can help.
also music helps me a lot.
Using my voice somehow helps to release some of the chronic pain pressure.
Sing along with some music

Yeah I'm not buying clonazepam again that's for sure, and been listening to music today well trying to my Internet keeps going down and music on YouTube then stops that's half the reason I've been so annoyed and other stuff, I was singing along earlier, I still feel mad and angry now lol
 
I sure am happy to see EPL1 gave a thumbs up to Squeaky’s post on the last page.

You have been in my thoughts and prayers my sister.
I sure hope things are getting better for you.
I love you so much!
❤️
 
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